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Offline Geremia

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Bp. Williamson on the 3rd Secret
« on: October 26, 2013, 07:54:54 PM »
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  • From a September 2013 conference he gave:
    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xDqhakjwSM[/youtube]

    The Franco Adessa pamphlet he refers to is here. Here's the text of the 3rd Secret from that pamphlet:
    Quote from: 3rd Secret of Fatima
    A great chastisement will fall on the entire human race; not today as yet, not tomorrow, but in the second half of the Twentieth Century.

    No longer does order reign anywhere and Satan will reign over the highest places directing the course of events.

    He (Satan) really will succeed in infiltrating to the top of the Church.

    Also for the Church a time of Her greatest trials will come.

    Cardinals will oppose Cardinals; Bishops will oppose Bishops and Satan will march amid their ranks, and in Rome there will be changes.

    What is rotten will fall, and what will fall will never rise again.

    The Church will be darkened and the world deranged by terror.

    A great war will break out within the second half of the Twentieth Century.

    Fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the water of the oceans will become vapors and the foam will rise up and flooding and sinking everything.

    Millions and millions of people will die by the hour and the survivors will envy the dead.

    Death will reign everywhere for the errors committed by the foolish and by the partisans of Satan, who, then and only then, will reign over the world.

    At last, those who will survive all of these events will once more proclaim God and His Glory and serve Him like before, when the world was not so corrupted.
    All of the 3rd Secret was in the Neues Europa, but much padding was added to it to make it ~3× longer.  Fr. Luigi Villa, friend of Franco Adesso and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ expert under Pius XII, was able to point out which were in the 3rd Secret.

    I like this version. It ends on a very positive note.
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    Bp. Williamson on the 3rd Secret
    « Reply #1 on: October 26, 2013, 10:51:52 PM »
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  • This is what the Confession Lines would have look like at your local
    Parish if the Third Secret of Fatima was released in 1960.
    I lived at that time and the public was constantly scared of a
    third world war anytime.


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    Bp. Williamson on the 3rd Secret
    « Reply #2 on: October 26, 2013, 10:54:49 PM »
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  • It ends on a happier note, but personally I have a few issues with this version. Top two being that it suggests God expected mankind to do better, and therefore that God was wrong; but also, Sr. Lucy couldn't have written all that stuff on a tiny slip of paper.

    It concerns me that there are so many "versions" of this secret that Roncalli treated like cow dung; enough versions that I find myself respecting Card. Ratzinger's simple "just read The Apocalypse"1984 statement about the 3rd secret. Although what Ratzinger later released as the 3rd secret, at Wojtyla's behest, was different from Ratzinger's 1984 statement. (How embarrassing was that! But I think it sent a sure message, and not the one Wojtyla wanted to send.)

    I'm not dogmatic about the 3rd secret though. What will happen, will happen, and will be God's will. We see what's happening. It's not exactly a renewal of the worship of the Catholic God, esp with a "pope" saying there is no Catholic God  :facepalm:

    (Oh, I'm not seeing any media, just a large empty space, then the quote at the bottom.)
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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    « Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 12:26:43 AM »
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  • I know it probably sounds stupid, but isn't the 2000s the twentieth century AD? How did we get the 1800s being called the 19th century, and the 1900s called the 20th?? Sorry, I just always wondered about that. I was taught in school that it was due to the Gregorian calendar, but I couldn't find anything confirming that.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 10:38:56 AM »
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  • MamaChaCha:

    The reason for this is that the first century was years 1-99 and so years 100-199 is the second century, 200-299 is the third century and so on.  So the the twentieth century is 1900-1999, and we are now in the twenty first century.

    Luke
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    « Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 05:08:18 PM »
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  • I get that.
    But I don't get why I was told it was because pope Gregory changed the calendar. That didn't make any sense to me, why would that add or subtract a whole century? I think my world history teacher didn't want to bother with me.

    Anyway, which war of the second half of the twentieth century was Our Lady referring to?
    It's sort of difficult to pin down only one war because it seems there's been perpetual war going on since WWII. I assume it's the six days war since it took less than a week to totally dismantle the holy land, and they've been fighting over it ever since with various other countries and entities sporadically involved over the years.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 05:14:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    which war of the second half of the twentieth century was Our Lady referring to?
    It doesn't say war. It says "chastisement." That would be, most importantly, Vatican II, which is a huge spiritual chastisement.

    Remember, Sr. Lucia said that the 3rd Secret would make more sense in 1960 than before 1960, and the Vatican II revolution happened in the beginning of the '60s.
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    « Reply #7 on: November 06, 2013, 12:44:54 AM »
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  • .
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    MamaChaCha:

    The reason for this is that the first century was years 1-99 and so years 100-199 is the second century, 200-299 is the third century and so on.  So the the twentieth century is 1900-1999, and we are now in the twenty first century.

    Luke



    Luke is correct, ALMOST.  The first century was A.D. 1 to A.D 100

    That makes 100 years (1 through 99 is only 99 years).  


    Anyway, the easy way to remember it is this:  

    Every century gets its NAME from its LAST YEAR.  

    So the 1800's go from A.D. 1801 to 1900, therefore it is

    known as the nineteenth century.  

    The century we are currently in ends in the year A.D. 2100,

    therefore, it is called the 21st century.  


    The reason centuries start at XX01 is, there was no Year Zero.

    The calendar goes from 1 B.C. to A.D. 1, that is, theoretically.

    There was some confusion in those days so the best that
    scholars can do is plus or minus 3 or 4 years.  


    If you're thinking, "But everyone was celebrating the end of
    the 20th century at the end of 1999,"  you would be right, they
    were doing that, but they were wrong.   The century did not
    end until December 31st, A.D. 2000.  But try telling millions of
    people anxious to have a party that they have to wait a year.  

    Good luck.  

    What happened was, they had TWO parties, and the one that
    came first was the one that they were the most proud of, and
    the one that came second was all, "You really missed out last
    year.  That was the BIG celebration."

    They basically had a party a year in advance.

    I know a guy who buys himself birthday presents.  He says
    "Waiting for birthdays is way overrated."  So he has purchased
    stuff of his dreams for himself up to 8 years in advance.  He
    already knows what thing was for which year, even though it
    won't arrive for another 4 or 7 years or whatever.  I asked him
    what he's going to do with all those presents if he doesn't live
    that long to have those birthdays?  

    He did not appreciate the question, so he didn't answer it.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 01:23:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    I get that.
    But I don't get why I was told it was because pope Gregory changed the calendar. That didn't make any sense to me, why would that add or subtract a whole century? I think my world history teacher didn't want to bother with me.

    Anyway, which war of the second half of the twentieth century was Our Lady referring to?

    It's sort of difficult to pin down only one war because it seems there's been perpetual war going on since WWII. I assume it's the six days war since it took less than a week to totally dismantle the holy land, and they've been fighting over it ever since with various other countries and entities sporadically involved over the years.



    As is very common with history teachers, they don't really know any  
    history, so when they try to pretend, and students catch them in their
    lies, they get angry with the students.  

    Pope Gregory is he after whom the Gregorian Calendar is named, and
    that replaced the Julian Calendar of the Romans.  

    The change to the Gregorian Calendar is not where we get the names
    of the centuries.  Any century A.D. is named after its LAST YEAR. The
    centuries Before Christ are named after their first year.  The first
    century B.C. starts at 100 B.C. and goes to 1 B.C., and the second
    century B.C. starts at 200 B.C. and goes to 101 B.C.  The 15th century
    B.C. starts with 1500 B.C. and goes to 1401 B.C.  In both cases (A.D.
    and B.C.) there are 99 years in each century that do NOT contain
    the numerals of that century, and you have to ADD a hundred years
    to the name.  It only SEEMS like you're adding a a century, though --  
    you are only doing what the facts of history demand that the name is.

    Your history teacher didn't explain that because he did not know it!  
    And unlike you, HE DID NOT CARE, EITHER.  

    The reason it was done was to correct the error that had been building
    up every year when they did not account for leap year, and so the first
    day of the year (which was then April 1st) was moving down toward
    summer, and farmers were not planting their crops at the right time
    because they were confused.  

    The correction entailed the arbitrary historical abolition of some 20 or
    more days because February 29th had been missing for so many years.
    It was far too complicated to go back and add in Feb. 29th and bump
    all the dates down one day for each 4 years.  So they just wiped out
    a bunch of days and called it even.

    After the new calendar came out, and the confusion was resolved, there
    were still people who were hanging on to the old calendar.  Then when
    New Year was changed to January 1st instead of April 1st, some people
    still hung on to that too.  This is where "April Fools' Day" comes from.
    The "joke" is on those who won't modernize, basically.  

    See where this is going?  

    Now, the Modernists try to pull that stunt on Trad Catholics who won't
    get "up with the times" and use the Newmass liturgy, or at least the
    1962 "legitimate" TLM.  If you prefer the same Mass of Pope St. Pius X
    and Padre Pio and St. Alphonsus de Ligori and St. John Bosco and St.
    Therese of Lisieux and just about every other credible saint in the
    Church, then you're somehow "anachronistic."  You're just not with it.
    Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.  Good joke, huh?


    As for the "war" Our Lady spoke of at Fatima, she said that a worse
    war (worse than the current one which was WWI) would break out
    when an unknown light would fill the sky.  That light happened at the
    very first movement of WWII, months before any shots were fired.

    In that aspect, the war she was talking about was WWII, but that
    doesn't mean that's the only war she was indicating with other words.

    When she said "various nations will be annihilated," it does not mean
    that had to be WWII, for example.  


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    « Reply #9 on: November 06, 2013, 01:37:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia
    Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    which war of the second half of the twentieth century was Our Lady referring to?
    It doesn't say war. It says "chastisement." That would be, most importantly, Vatican II, which is a huge spiritual chastisement.

    Remember, Sr. Lucia said that the 3rd Secret would make more sense in 1960 than before 1960, and the Vatican II revolution happened in the beginning of the '60s.


    I agree.  

    Also, I don't think the OP has much to do with the Third Secret.  It's a
    little related, but that's not it.  We are given the context that it has to fit
    into, and this does not fit.  


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