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Bishop Williamson a "Morally Scabrous Anti-Semite".
« on: March 24, 2011, 12:14:29 PM »
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  • I had no participation or connection with the e-mail discussion which produced this.

    Nevertheless, it might be of interest to some of you.


    [written by an Australian Lefebvr*te]

    Re: Williamson dismisses 'neo-nazi' legal counsel
    24 November 2010

    it is quite evident that Williamson is a morally scabrous anti-semite.
    That is why he denies the existence of the Holocaust. The only reason
    why people deny this well-established fact is because of antisemitism;
    the denial serves to whitewash an antisemitic regime and to deny an
    event that made antisemitism beyond the pale. It is not because of a
    disinterested spirit of historical inquiry, because there is nothing
    in the historical record that can prompt such a denial. For those of
    you who complain that this statement is judging him without hearing
    his case, or begging the question; you are missing the point. There
    are some facts that are obvious on the face of them, and this is one
    of them. With such facts, argument is not only not necessary, but not
    appropriate, because giving such arguments implicitly concedes that
    they are needed. You may complain that this implies that some of you
    are being accused of folly and wilful blindness to evil when it come
    to Williamson. Well, that's right.

     On the numbers of people killed; upwards of three million six hundred
    thousand individual names of Jews who were killed have been collected
    (see http://www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/remembrance/names/why_collect_names.asp).
    This worthy project is not of course necessary to establish the
    approximate number of Jews killed, because that can be done by
    comparing the number of Jews living before the Second World War in
    areas that were occupied by the Germans  (about 6 million) and after
    the second world war (a few hundred thousand). The differences between
    these two figures is not accounted for by Jews who popped up somewhere
    else in the world, as very few Jews managed to emigrate from
    German-occupied areas during the war.

    On the idea that because Nazism is an exploded philosophy, there is no
    reason for taking sympathy with its goal of exterminating the Jews
    seriously; this is not true. The desire and expressed purpose of many
    Muslim groups and states is the total extermination of the Jews. The
    current president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is now building
    nuclear weapons for just that purpose. I note that these same groups
    also intend to extirpate Christianity (Ahmadinejad, by the way, has
    pushed a law through making death the sole available penalty for men
    who convert to Christianity). This is a specific reason for Christians
    to sympathise with the Jews on this issue; the people who want to
    destroy them want to destroy us.

            Williamson was in fact notorious as an anti-semite even
    before this scandal. I had myself heard about this fact; it is
    chronicled in the paper by an alumnus of his seminary, J. Christopher
    Pryor, 'Cathoilcism and the Teachings of Bishop Williamson',  that can
    be found at this website -
    http://www.jsantisemitism.org/pdf/jsa_1-2.pdf. The paper is
    fascinating in a number of ways.

             There is a broader interest to this Williamson affair, which
    is why I am writing on it at this length. His views on the Jews were
    at one time respectable and widely held within the Church. For
    evidence of this, one can look at a book I came across recently by Fr.
    Denis Fahey, The Mystical Body of Christ in the Modern World (Dublin:
    Browne and Nolan, 1935). The book has an imprimatur and Fr. Fahey was
    quite influential in Ireland in his day, and indeed worked for good
    causes such as the recognition by the Irish State of Catholicism as a
    divinely revealed religion. Much of the book's content is good - until
    it reaches the topic of the Jews, who, Fr. Fahey tells us, are in fact
    behind a giant world conspiracy to destroy Christianity that is
    responsible for all the evils that have befallen the Church since the
    Middle Ages. This kind of stuff was promoted at the highest level of
    the Church in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries; it
    was often put forward by the Jesuit journal Civilta Cattolica and the
    French Catholic journal La Croix.

             These kinds of views are important for two reasons.The first
    is their morally corrupting effect. The Jews are not in fact operating
    a giant world conspiracy to destroy Christianity. Secular Jews accept
    and promote secularism, an idea developed by ex-Christians (Voltaire
    etc.)  in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Religious Jews
    mind their own business and do no concern themselves with the Gentile
    world around them - an important fact, as the anti-semitic conspiracy
    theorists base their claims on the tenets they assert are found in
    Rabbinic Judaism. Asserting that the Jews are operating such a
    conspiracy is thus a grave slander. Those who do assert it use these
    beliefs to justify hatred and malice towards Jews. Lying, hatred and
    malice are the vilest passions of human nature. The legitimisation of
    conspiracy theories about Jews in the Church fostered these passions,
    and thus had a terribly morally corrupting effect. This corruption has
    a lot to do directly with the parlous state of the Church today. The
    current state of the Society of Jesus is I believe explained by a
    great extent by its antisemitic past: directly, as sapping the moral
    fibre of members of the Society; and indirectly, as providing a motive
    to whitewash themselves by embracing progressive causes after the
    Holocaust made their  past views unrespectable. We can call this last
    phenomenon the 'Gunter Grass' effect. Grass. you may remember, is a
    German novelist who distinguished himself for his moralising left-wing
    pieties throught his public career - and admitted, late in life, to
    having met a young man, Joseph Ratzinger, when they were both
    prisoners of war of the Americans; Ratzinger, an anti-nazi, having
    deserted from the Army, but Grass having been captured after
    volunteering for the Waffen SS. The connection between his voluntary
    SS membership and his subsequent progressive views is too obvious to
    need labouring. The journal La Croix still exists -and is the main
    organ of French modernism; this also is connected to the Grass effect.
    The conversion of Cardinal Suhard in France to modernism after the
    Second World War, an event with big repercussions, had a similar
    motive (de Gaulle refused to allow Suhard to take part in the mass of
    thanksgiving for the liberation at Notre Dame in 1944 because he had
    been so friendly with the German occupiers).

      These facts about the history of Catholic antisemitism are
    difficult I find for many cradle Catholics to look in the face,
    because many of the people they love and respect - priests and
    relatives of the older generation - will have shared and expressed
    antisemitic views of this kind. In some cases as well these people
    will have been largely innocent in their views, because they were
    simply repeating, without knowing any better, what had been told to
    them by people they in turn looked up to and trusted. But in other
    cases, there will have been the secret pleasure of being excused from
    the very onerous Christian duties of love, and being seemingly given
    official permission to hate and despise. You can still unfortunately
    see indulgence and pleasure in these bad passions on the faces of some
    traditionalist Catholics today when the topic of the Jews comes up.
    That is why Williamson is not simply dismissed as the vile old fool he
    is; his views touch a sensitive nerve.

    I must note however one very positive aspect of the affair; a bishop
    is actually being held responsible for his actions and subject to
    discipline, an event unknown in the Novus Ordo wing of the church
    (consider Law, Weakland, not to mention others closer to home).

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    Bishop Williamson a "Morally Scabrous Anti-Semite".
    « Reply #1 on: March 24, 2011, 02:43:38 PM »
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    The desire and expressed purpose of many
    Muslim groups and states is the total extermination of the Jews.

    The current president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is now building nuclear weapons for just that purpose


    wow, I think he just betrayed either bad faith or stupidity there.


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    Bishop Williamson a "Morally Scabrous Anti-Semite".
    « Reply #2 on: March 24, 2011, 03:03:20 PM »
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    The Jews are not in fact operating
    a giant world conspiracy to destroy Christianity.


    They run Hollywood and the media.

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    Secular Jews accept
    and promote secularism, an idea developed by ex-Christians (Voltaire
    etc.) in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries


    Why is it that "secular" Jews are loyal to a state that financially supports Orthodox Judaism?  This guy is trying to make us see a sharp antagonism between observant Jews and secular Jews - as though it were parallel to the the antagonism between secularists and Christians.  In fact it's quite the opposite - Jews - be they religious or not - are vehemenly anti-Christian and it is their Jewish upbringing that is largely responsible.

    When it comes to the Jewish war on Christianity - the best place to look is abortion - on the issue of abortion, the secular Jews and the Orthodox Jews really quite close - if we look at the virulent support of abortion from Jews who claim the Talmud is a great influence on them - like Ruth Bader Ginsburg - we can really see the connection.  The gentile babies are dehumanized.  Charles Schumer will support pregnancy centers in Israel that help Jewish girls put babies for adoption instead of aborting, but for gentile babies - throw them in the trash.

     
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    Religious Jews
    mind their own business and do no concern themselves with the Gentile
    world around them


    This is an outrageous and ridiculous remark.  Some of the early generations of the Rothschild dynasty were very observant.  

    This guy is desperately thrashing away, hoping and praying he can browbeat the opposition.

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    Bishop Williamson a "Morally Scabrous Anti-Semite".
    « Reply #3 on: March 24, 2011, 04:11:14 PM »
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  • WTG Tele.  Couldnt have said it better!   BTW, the term "anti semite"  was invented by the Jews themselves! :applause:

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    Bishop Williamson a "Morally Scabrous Anti-Semite".
    « Reply #4 on: March 27, 2011, 02:55:57 PM »
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    There are some facts that are obvious on the face of them, and this is one of them.


    Exactly right.  And when +W declared that there were no 'gas chambers' at Auschwitz or any other alleged "death camp," he was declaring an obvious fact, based upon all the forensic and historical evidence available.  If, as I am given to understand, the writer of this piece is a "Lefebvrite," then SSPXers have real trouble right from within their own ranks.


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    Bishop Williamson a "Morally Scabrous Anti-Semite".
    « Reply #5 on: March 27, 2011, 06:01:51 PM »
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  • Telesphorus,

    Have met any actual Jews?  I mean real people, not characters from a medieval morality play or the radio play version of the Protocols?

    I have.   I happily number many of them among my family and friends.  Whatever his other virtues may be, Bishop Williamson is completely out of it here.  

    Apparently his superior Bishop Fellay thought so to.  It is hard to understand whey he would tell Bishop W. to be quiet otherwise.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #6 on: March 27, 2011, 09:24:12 PM »
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    Telesphorus,

    Have met any actual Jews?  I mean real people, not characters from a medieval morality play or the radio play version of the Protocols?


    I sure have.  Plenty of them.  I'll never forget how I once compared abortion to the Holocaust in a "philosophy" class at a Catholic school and the Jew in the room became incensed.  The teacher was gravely offended, I had comments on my midterm report.  The bottom line is that the sensibilities of Jewish students were more important than the Catholic teaching that abortion is murder to these people.

    I grew up across the street from an old Jew a gentile wife 33 years younger than him.  His son died before him, but not before getting his wife kicked out of the house before he died so he could rewrite the will for his senile father.  His wife died less than a year after him.  

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    I have.   I happily number many of them among my family and friends.


    Among your family?  Are they Catholics?  Are you happy they are Jews?

     
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    Whatever his other virtues may be, Bishop Williamson is completely out of it here.  


    Sorry Sigismund, but anyone who doesn't recognize the danger the Jews as a body pose to the rest of us is not facing reality as a Catholic.

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    Apparently his superior Bishop Fellay thought so to.  It is hard to understand whey he would tell Bishop W. to be quiet otherwise.


    It's hard to understand how the rest of the SSPX can pretend they weren't responsible for letting Bishop Williamson say these things for decades.  If they thought it was so wrong they could have told him to tone it down.  When we see Bishop Fellay hiring someone as a lawyer who attends fundraisers for Zionist universities - speaking on behalf of the Society about Bishop Williamson in court - when we see Bishop Fellay comparing his fellow bishop to "uranium" - then the problem is with Bishop Fellay - not Bishop Williamson.

    Persecuting Bishop Williamson for his beliefs is wrong.  It's one thing to tell him to be silent - it's another to effectively shut him out of the workings of the society - it's wrong, it's craven, and it's a betrayal.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 27, 2011, 09:34:38 PM »
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    That is why he denies the existence of the Holocaust. The only reason why people deny this well-established fact is because of antisemitism...


    We deny it because it is not a fact, well-established or otherwise...or, rather, we deny that the 'facts' that have been shoved down our throats are factual/substantiated/etc...
    + Vincit veritas +


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    It is hard to understand whey he would tell Bishop W. to be quiet otherwise.


    No, it is rather easy to conceive of other reasons.
    + Vincit veritas +

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    « Reply #9 on: March 27, 2011, 09:38:44 PM »
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  • Yes, I had two neighbors who were WWII vets - both of them who married women around the age of my parents - one was very old and has passed away, the other went into the Marine Corps at 17.  The Jew first married a woman, a gentile 7 years older than him and had several children by her.  He owned the house on this street before WWII.  She died.  He then married the young woman and they never had children.  The younger one married a woman who was part Indian in the late 40s.  She abandoned him and their son and left my neighbor to raise his son alone.  He married a woman a few years younger than my mother.  She had been married before young and had two sons who were my childhood playmates.  

    My next door neighbor had been raised by his uncle on a farm.  His mother had to work and his father was out of the picture.  He used to milk cows every day.  He drove a truckload of cows from Wisconsin when he was 15.  At 17 he was in the Marine Corps - at the end of the war he was attending Yale in an accelerated program - but didn't finish.

    He was union liberal democrat, pro-abortion, non-religious.  


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    For evidence of this, one can look at a book I came across recently by Fr. Denis Fahey, The Mystical Body of Christ in the Modern World (Dublin: Browne and Nolan, 1935). The book has an imprimatur and Fr. Fahey was quite influential in Ireland in his day, and indeed worked for good causes such as the recognition by the Irish State of Catholicism as a divinely revealed religion. Much of the book's content is good - until
    it reaches the topic of the Jews, who, Fr. Fahey tells us, are in fact behind a giant world conspiracy to destroy Christianity that is responsible for all the evils that have befallen the Church since the Middle Ages.


    So, this douche bag denies that which is easily substantiated, while accepting as dogma that which is notably unsubstantiated?  Nonsense.
    + Vincit veritas +


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  • Telesphorus said:
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    This guy is trying to make us see a sharp antagonism between observant Jews and secular Jews - as though it were parallel to the the antagonism between secularists and Christians.  In fact it's quite the opposite - Jews - be they religious or not - are vehemenly anti-Christian and it is their Jewish upbringing that is largely responsible.


    Exactly.

    I have a friend who calls me up, having read Belloc or something like that, as if he's made a great discovery, to tell me that some Jews are Zionists but the others are innocently unaware of what's happening.

    Henry Makow, a Jew, also uses this line -- there are the Zionist Jews, and then there are the Jews who oppose the depredations of Israel.  

    The way for Jews to really oppose Israel is to become Catholic.  But for non-Zionist Jews to oppose Zionist Jews smacks to me of Hegelian propaganda, playing both sides, because nothing ever really comes of their "protests."  It's mainly a way to take heat off the Jews as a people, to make you think "Oh, they're not a threat as a body, as a group."

    Thusly, they make you think there are "good Jews" and "bad Jews," but it's about as meaningless as Republicans vs. Democrats, or of Modernist Ratzinger vs. Traditional Ratzinger.  It's all part of the same diabolical disorientation.

    Whether Zionist or non-Zionist, secular or "religious," these Jews are not Catholic.  And it is an incontestable fact that they own the entire media, and all of Hollywood, which means they control ALL of what you see, unless you haunt obscure corners of the Internet as, thankfully, more and more people are learning to do.

    Now imagine if Hungarians came to America and took over almost every single major source of information.  Wouldn't you find that a bit strange?  Wouldn't you wonder why these Hungarians had such a plan?  Now think that the Jews are the ones who killed Christ, that they took the blood of Christ upon themselves and on their children, that historically they have been the most obstinate foes of the Catholic Church, and that now they control almost ALL your information, in a time when the Catholic Church, not coincidentally, has been attacked right at its root, from Rome, where the so-called Popes are constantly licking the boot of the Jews...

    And yet people will pooh-pooh this indescribably ominous truth, and say "Oh, no they don't control the media," though it's a provable fact that two seconds of research will unveil, or maybe they just won't care at all.

    Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, what else can I say.

    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #12 on: March 27, 2011, 10:35:32 PM »
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    He was union liberal democrat, pro-abortion, non-religious


    The Catholic Church is pro-union.  Don't fall for that Tea Party junk.  

    You can't find the truth by doing the opposite of what the Jews do.  They don't just lie, they mix truth with lies.

    It is dismaying to see that so many Catholics think they have to follow a political program.  Because they are anti-abortion, and thus are necessarily Republican, they also become pro-Iraq War and believe Muslims did 9/11 and support the psychotic corporations that have destroyed the economy.  Yet they think they are economic geniuses and that money trickles down from the top, from the same corporations that rape the world.  

    Remember, Catholics were Democrats until Roe vs. Wade.  That means pro-union, big government, that is Catholic social justice.  It's not an ideal situation, but considering the Church has no real power anymore, and not enough charities to really help the poor, some kind of protection of the working-class is necessary.

    The correct Catholic position in our time is anti-abortion, pro-union.  But you will not find that in any single political party, and that is no accident.
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #13 on: March 28, 2011, 04:10:10 AM »
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  • Only a Jew or those brainwashed or paid by them could come up with such tripe. Fr. Denis Fahey quote Jewish sources when he lists the numbers of Jews in the world before and after WWII and the numbers increased.

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    I have.   I happily number many of them among my family and friends.  


    Are you Jewish too Sigismund? You spend an awful lot of time attacking those who defend the Faith and labelling them "anit-semites". You say members of your family are Jewish. I wonder if you could ever find it in yourself to defend the Church against Jewish Anti-Christian attacks.



     

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