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Bin Laden speech will be FAKE
« on: September 06, 2007, 05:55:41 PM »
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  • Before you listen to "Osama" as he addresses Americans on Sept. 11, 2007, I would suggest reading this enlightening article:


    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

    The Fake 2001 bin Laden
    Video Tape

    A videotape purportedly showing Osama bin Laden confessing to the 9/11 attacks was made public on December 13, 2001:
    The tape bore a label indicating it was made on November 9. Administration officials wouldn't reveal exactly how or when they got it, except to say it was found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. [Online NewsHour]

    The videotape was supposedly physically located.
    The size of a standard VHS videotape is 7.5 inches wide by 4.2 inches deep by 1 inch high - if you look in a video cabinet you'll see they're not very big. The satellite photograph on the right shows Jalalabad - it is very big and it contains a lot of buildings (not all single storey).

    Don't you find it somewhat fortuitous that a very small video tape of Osama confessing to the 9/11 attacks was found in this very big city? Were squads of video watchers sent in to view every tape found just in case one showed Osama confessing?

    Here's what was said of the "lucky find":
       

    Satellite photo of Jalalabad.
    Population ~150,000


    Click for full sized image
    "For those who see this tape, they'll realise that not only is he guilty of incredible murder, he has no conscience and no soul, that he represents the worst of civilisation," said President George W Bush. US Senator Ron Wyden, who has also seen the tape, says he hopes it will remove suspicions in countries such as Pakistan that the 11 September attacks were an Israeli plot aimed at drawing the US into a war with Islamic countries. [BBC News]

    The video was very effective in diverting media attention away from the deportation of five Israelis who danced as the twin towers burned - "Osama" certainly picks his moments to appear.

    Details of the videotape - includes full video and transcript.

    A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the video was inaccurate and "manipulative". Bin Laden even praised two live 'hijackers' - Wail M. Alshehri and Salem Alhazmi. Why didn't he know the names of hijackers he personally chose?

    The quality of the video was very poor and the authenticity of the tape was questioned. This annoyed President Bush:

    "It is preposterous for anybody to think that this tape is doctored," he said during a brief photo opportunity with the prime minister of Thailand. "That's just a feeble excuse to provide weak support for an incredibly evil man." [CNN]

    Okay, let's take a closer look at bin Laden and his views.

    The following is an extract from bin Laden's September 28, 2001 denial of involvement in the 9/11 attacks...
    "This system is totally in control of the American-Jєωs, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jєωs and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word." [Public Action]

    ...and his views were the same in 1998:
    "We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests, not the interests of the Jєωs." [American Free Press]

    The above demonstrates that bin Laden publicly aired very strong views about Israel and Jєωs when he was given the chance.

    Below are still images from bin Laden videos released in 2001. The images are in chronological order. A point to note about bin Laden is he was suffering renal failure...
    Renal dialysis -- talking about hemodialysis -- is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down. The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that's happened, if you're separated from your dialysis machine -- and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they're going to require clean water, they're going to require a sterile setting -- infection is a huge risk with that. If you don't have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it's unlikely that you'd survive beyond several days or a week at the most. [CNN]

    ...therefore his health in the videos is very relevant.


    Click for full sized image.

    Videos 1, 2 and 4 show the real bin Laden, video 3 shows the "lucky find" bin Laden.

    Points of note regarding the videos:
        

    Video #1
       

    Video #2
       

    Video #3
       

    Video #4
    Beard color below bottom lip   

    White
       

    White
       

    Black
       

    White
    Jєωs/Israel/Palestine mentioned   

    Yes
       

    Yes
       

    No
       

    Yes
    Muslim suffering mentioned   

    Yes
       

    Yes
       

    No
       

    Yes
    Health   

    Good
       

    Deteriorating
       

    Good
       

    Poor

    The "bin Laden" in video #3 has the wrong beard color, and his views and health are inconsistent with those of the real bin Laden. Also, if video #3 was a true bin Laden confession then why didn't he attribute 9/11 to avenging the suffering of Muslims, especially since America was attacking the country in which he was living?

    The poor image quality of video #3 stands out when compared to the genuine bin Laden videos. There is also excessive noise on the video's audio track, making it impossible to really hear what is being said. Given that the tape was recorded in an area supposedly devoid of audio urban signature there should have been little ambient noise, yet the speech is masked with a great deal of noise.

    There is clearly good reason to doubt the November 9 tape.

    This was not the first video claiming to show Osama confessing to the 9/11 attacks...
    [Video] footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. ... The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and America's new evidence against bin Laden, to be released this Wednesday. [Telegraph 11/11/01]

    ...and this never-to-be-seen video also appeared right on cue:
    Emergency powers to imprison suspected international terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be announced this week. The measure, which will require exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the reach of existing laws. [Telegraph 11/11/2001]

    Even hard line secular Pakistanis were unconvinced by the released bin Laden video tape. Iqbal Haider, a former senator from the party of ousted prime minister Benαzιr Bhutto, said he found it hard to believe that bin Laden would allow himself to be filmed confessing to the crime. "It is hard to believe that a man who masterminds the September attacks with such secrecy and finesse could be that stupid and imprudent," he said. "I hate Osama and the Taliban because they inflicted incalculable damage on Muslims ... but it is hard to digest that he can be such a fool."
    When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden's Most Wanted web page, [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." [Muckraker Report]

    The above demonstrates the bin Laden "confession video" was a propaganda exercise created to justify the pursuit of a preplanned war.
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    Bin Laden speech will be FAKE
    « Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 05:59:28 PM »
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  • Here are some pics for you:

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    Bin Laden speech will be FAKE
    « Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 06:01:28 PM »
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  • Would Osama wear a US Army surplus jacket? The garb of his enemy? Of course not!

    October 28, 2001--In a previous article released on October 5, I wrote that the October al-Jazeera video was a fraud, and called the man who appeared in it "Osama bin Fake-it."  See "The Taliban Home Video"  http://www.public-action.com/911/hvideo.html

    Later, I drew attention to an authentic interview with the real Osama bin Laden, published in a Karachi, Pakistan newspaper, the Daily UMMAT, on September 28.  In that interview, bin Laden denied any involvement in the September 11 attacks in the US, and pointed out Islam strictly forbids the killing of women and children, even in the heat of battle. See "Bin Laden: ***AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW***"
    http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html

    Now I have a question for you concerning national leaders and how they present themselves to the public:    

    Did Winston Churchill wear a swastika and a Luftwaffe uniform while giving speeches during World War II?  

    Did President Kennedy wear a Cuban military uniform and smoke a Cuban cigar when he was addressing the nation during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

    Does Ariel Sharon wear Yassar Arafat headgear (a kaffiyeh) while giving press interviews in Israel?  

    Of course not.

    We all know that in war time, symbolism is of paramount importance.  No national wartime leader -- Occidental or Oriental, black or white, saintly or wicked, clever or stupid -- would ever be caught wearing the regalia of the enemy.  That being the case, I have another question for you:

    Why would Osama bin Laden wear a U.S. Army jacket while making Islamic pronouncements on the Taliban Home Video?  http://www.Public-Action.com/911/cammie.gif

    Such US Army jackets are commonly available in US Army surplus stores, and look-alikes are sold in mens' wear stores across America.  I wonder where the figure in the al-Jazeera video got his?    

    Bin Laden is a fundamentalist Muslim whose very cause is the practice of traditional Islam.  Traditional Muslims wear traditional Muslim attire.  We are told that Osama hates all Western civilization and everything American.  Yet here is a videotaped statement  -- the last that Americans will be allowed to see -- showing "Osama" wearing the garb of his enemy.  
     

    Just as Churchill did not wear a swastika and a Luftwaffe uniform,  Kennedy did not wear a Cuban uniform and smoke a Cuban cigar, and Sharon does not wear Yassar Arafat headgear, so Osama bin Laden would never wear a US Army jacket while addressing a world audience.

    The US Army jacket is more evidence that the "Osama bin Laden" in the al-Jazeera video was a stand in, and that the video was a complete hoax.  Someone I know put it this way:

    "All of the big 'coverups,' Waco, OKC, and WTC, and there are others, are so deliberately clumsy and so patently implausible, that it is really inaccurate to call them coverups at all. They are simply opportunities for the American people to bring to life what they watch on TV."  That is, impossible events depicted on American Tee Vee have cultivated a national gullibility.  Impossible events are accepted as every-day occurrences.

    And that observation leads to this question:  Who is more stupid?  Those who design the crazy deceptions, or those who are fooled by them?
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    Bin Laden speech will be FAKE
    « Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 10:59:10 PM »
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  •  :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

    ChantCD, your priceless.

    You single handedly demonstrate, and with such frequency how it is difficult to maintain the fantasy world in which you live.  It's always a matter of time for anyone to be living beside reality to betray himself, but in your case, it's regular like clockwork.

    In your morphing image, you have a supposedly false Osama morphing into the real one wearing military outfit.

    In your very next post, it's argued that the real Osama would not wear such uniform. Which one is it ?  Are you arguing with yourself or what.

    Tomorrow I'll post on this whole fat Osama non-sense, my side hurts to much to do it now.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 11:02:50 PM »
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  • Actually, I noticed that.

    But it doesn't follow that neither is true; I'm just showing that there is plenty of room for debate whether or not Osama is even alive today.

    My opinion is that the "he wouldn't wear army greens" guy is wrong. I don't think the US army is the only organization to use the concept of "camouflage".

    I have seen pictures of the "real" and "fake" Osama enough times to be firmly convinced.  I will have to find the picture that convinced me and post it here.

    The "fake" Osama has a fatter nose, a fatter face, different beard coloring, eats with the wrong hand, wears Jєωelry (forbidden by Islam) and many other aberrations from the real one.

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    « Reply #5 on: September 06, 2007, 11:05:47 PM »
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  • Please do post that picture, it's precisely that I want to also speak about tomorrow.

    We can trade notes.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 06, 2007, 11:05:48 PM »
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  • Here is a quick 40-second video that shows how different they are:



    Here's another good page:
    http://www.the7thfire.com/9-11/many_faces_of_osama_bin_laden.htm
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    « Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 11:11:04 PM »
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  • Here is a comparison.

    Again, this is from the video of "poor quality" that they were so lucky to find in Afghanistan. Why the horrible quality? So the fraud would be harder to detect?

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    « Reply #8 on: September 06, 2007, 11:15:13 PM »
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  • Another couple -- the first (fake) one was from RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION in 2004. It conveniently popped up just in time to give George Bush an election boost, and probably allowed him to win a 2nd term.

    Notice how the REAL Bin Laden has sloped shoulders and a narrow face -- the fake one looks like a linebacker in a football game.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 06, 2007, 11:20:32 PM »
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  • The similarity between the two is superficial at best.

    I'm going to be politically incorrect here -- anyone who says those two Bin Ladens look alike is doing the SAME THING that offends many black people: saying that they all look alike.

    If I had the boldness to come up to a random black man and say, "Michael Jordan? Can I get your autograph?"
    "Uh... I'm not Michael Jordan."
    "Well you look like him.  Oh well, I guess black people all look alike."

    What would happen to me? If there was any justice in the world, I'd get beat up.

    But isn't it just as wrong to say, "All middle eastern men look alike" or "All asians look alike"?

    Come on -- what's similar in those 2 pictures? They both have a beard, a white hat, and a gold-color garment. Big whoop! So with that logic, I could say "They both have black skin and a more or less broad nose. And they both have baseball hats on, and are wearing bling. They're the same man!"

    See how insane this propaganda is? Only a non-thinker (or someone who WANTS -- BADLY -- to believe the government line of bull would believe this.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 06, 2007, 11:26:11 PM »
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  • I don't think these two hispanic individuals look alike either.

    Even though they both have tan-colored skin, a similar body build, a similar goatee, dark eyes, and their noses aren't that different.

    (If you're curious, I found them both on Google images -- I did a search for "Jose". WARNING: Don't try this at home though, the first image in the results was pornography!)
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    « Reply #11 on: September 06, 2007, 11:41:16 PM »
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  • So is Bin Laden still alive?  :confused1:
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #12 on: September 07, 2007, 06:28:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: Kephapaulos
    So is Bin Laden still alive?  :confused1:


    There has been no confirmation of either dead or alive since last year.  But this video dates from back in 2001.

    And either way, even if I granted it was a fake, (which I am not) it doesn't mean he was not still alive.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 07, 2007, 06:41:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: ChantCd
    Here is a comparison.

    Again, this is from the video of "poor quality" that they were so lucky to find in Afghanistan. Why the horrible quality? So the fraud would be harder to detect?



    That's precisely the picture I had in mind.  Thank you.
    I'll get back to it time allowing today.

    On the 2004 picture and his posture, Just an initial reaction.  Your comparing a picture of him sitting down in a seemingly relaxed manner, while the other was behind a podium, with a distinct intention to appear in control. Almost like an head of state.  

    Posture is part of communication, body language sort to speak.  I don't think anyone talk behind a podium with the same body language then when they are sitting and relaxed.

    Edit: He was sitting behind a desk, not a podium.  

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    « Reply #14 on: September 07, 2007, 11:21:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: ChantCd
    Here is a comparison.

    Again, this is from the video of "poor quality" that they were so lucky to find in Afghanistan. Why the horrible quality? So the fraud would be harder to detect?



    Best frame or worse frame

    First, those who are making the point the video is fake, do not have just one tape to work with, but hundreds or thousands of  frame to choose from.  It's normal that on certain frames, someone will come off as looking different, most especially when there is movement.  You can be certain that the worse frame they can possibly find will be used.  This is dishonest. Thus, every video vs photography compare must be evaluated with that in mind.

    Here is a normal frame from the very same video. Looks nothing like the very bad image you posted..



    The ring

    Muslims do not wear gold rings, but they wear silver.  The picture is not saturated enough to determine it's gold.

    The others

    No one has put in doubt the identity of the others with him in the room, why is that ?  Because people are likely to only need one excuse to believe what they want.



    Left: paraplegic sheikh (Saudi) Khaled Al-Harbi, Right: Second in command (Egyptian) Ayman Al-Zawahi

    Bin Laden is taller

    He is rumoured to measure 6'6" and that he looks to small sitting

    Seen here ducking to enter in the door frame

    Quality of the video

    Pakistan and Afghanistan follows the PAL format for video (720 x 576, 50 fields per seconds) while we in the the U.S. and Canada use the NTSC standard for video (720 x 480, 60 fields per seconds).  

    Those videos needs to be converted so that we can see them.  In the process 10 fields per seconds needs added that don't exist, this addition causes a certain degradation in quality.

    More on this here

    Additionally, there is no telling in what quality the VHS video was found, and what quality equipment was used to film it.

    The fat Bin Laden.

    Finally, as stated above. The PAL and NTSC do not have the same size image ratio. Some PAL/NTSC converters squash the image along the vertical making people look fatter.

    Incorrect Aspect ratio.


    Aspect ratio corrected.




    Full credit to Ed Haas and George Tremblay for this study.
    I believe they are of those believing in the inside job theory, but at least, they are thorough and did some good work on this