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Beware the cops, even if you are not criminal
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 02:21:43 PM »
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    This is the kind of article that mysteriously disappears, Matthew.  

    I hope you won't mind if I copy a part of it here (the linked site has embedded links in each of the 30 'incidents' below).  I could add my own, personal incident which would fit in very well, making this a list of 31 examples.  I was most fortunate not to have been shot in cold blood by School Police officers, 5 of whom had drawn weapons pointed at my head as I sat in my parked car, in violation of no laws.

    Here is a portion of the linked article:  



    The average American commits three felonies a day without even knowing it.

    (If You Are Doing Nothing Wrong You Have PLENTY to Fear – 30 Examples)




    ...Last summer, I was at dinner during a sales convention. The conversation didn’t get political until someone mentioned the NSA.

    There is one in every crowd. Someone piped up and said, “They can spy on me all they want. I am not doing anything wrong.”

    They sang this song in Germany in 1933. And they sang it with unprecedented gusto in the months following 9/11, all in the name of  “security” and “keeping us safe”.

    We were at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, the world’s second largest hotel.
     
    [We were expected to believe that] Nothing in the post-9/11 “national security” apparatus would prevent a terrorist from walking in, setting off a bomb, and killing hundreds or even thousands of people.

    The more important questions are: How do you know you are doing nothing that could be construed as wrong by some state functionary? How do you know you are not breaking some law somewhere? And why are you so implicitly trusting that your government would never do anything evil with the information it has collected on you?

    This is not purely an academic matter. The practical implications are profound.

    I give you several examples.  [30 Examples, actually]:

    1. Niakea Williams went to her son’s St. Louis-area elementary school one day to pick up her son, who has Asperger’s. The school was put on lockdown and Mrs. Williams was escorted out in handcuffs.

    2. Adrionna hαɾɾιs was almost expelled from her middle school in Virginia Beach after taking a razor blade away from a fellow student who was trying to harm himself.

    3. Read what Houston police did to this man who gave 75 cents to a homeless person.

    4. A little known Denver parking ordinance can get you a $25 fine even if you haven’t exceeded the two-hour limit.

    5. Police in Iowa City, Iowa, seized $50,000 from this couple without charging them with a crime.

    6. Alberto Willmore lost his teaching job in Manhattan over a totally bogus marijuana arrest. Even though he was never convicted of anything, he was unable to get his job back.

    7. Norman Gurley was arrested in Lorain County, Ohio, because a compartment in his car could have been used to transport drugs.

    8. Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies shot and killed 80-year-old Eugene Mallory in his own bed during a meth raid. No meth, or any other illegal drugs, was discovered.

    9. Paul Valin contacted police to report that he found a backpack full of what he believed to be meth-making equipment 15 miles from his home near Des Moines. As a result, the DEA placed his house on its list of meth labs.

    10. Ryan Holle of Pensacola, Florida, lent his roommate his car on night in 2004. As a result, Holle is currently serving a life sentence without possibility of parole for pre-meditated murder.

    11. New York police seized Gerald Bryan’s cash in a nighttime raid in 2012. Even though Bryan was cleared of any wrongdoing, the stolen cash was deposited in the NYPD pension fund.

    12. Robert Duncan is currently serving two years in a California prison, even though the business in which he worked was legal in California.

    13. Jordan Wiser spent 13 days in jail after Jefferson, Ohio, police found a pocketknife during a warrantless search of his car.

    14. During a school lockdown in Clarksville, Tennessee, David Duren-Sanner gave police permission to search his car as he had “nothing to hide”. Police found a fishing knife. Duren-Sanner, who previously had never been to the principal’s office, was suspended for 10 days and then sent to an alternative school for 90 days.

    15. Look what happened to these parents in Napa, California, even though the medical marijuana prescriptions they had were completely legal.

    16. Eileen Ann Bower of suburban Pittsburgh had her newborn child taken from her for 75 days because of a false positive drug test.

    17. Jerry Hartfield of Bay City, Texas, has spent the majority of his life in prison, even though his conviction was overturned in 1980.

    18. Jason Dewing of update New York was found guilty of violating a law that did not exist.

    19. Don Miller of Waldron, Indiana, had his home raided by FBI agents who seized hundreds of cultural artifacts from around the world. Miller was neither arrested nor charged with anything.

    20. This San Diego couple was pepper-sprayed and tasered by police who had erroneously identified their vehicle after being stolen.

    21. The good news is that Brian Aitken of Mount Laurel, New Jersey, had his prison sentence commuted. The bad news is that he was originally sentenced to seven years behind bars for possessing two legally purchased guns.

    22. This special needs student in McDonald, Pennsylvania, was charged with felony wiretapping for recording other students who were bullying him mercilessly.

    23. Abner Schoenwetter of Miami served over six years in prison for – you can’t make this stuff up – violating Honduran fisheries law.

    24. Read what happened to John Filippidis of Hudson, Florida, when he was pulled over by state police while driving unarmed through Maryland.

    25. In a case of mistaken identity, Lewis James of Durham, North Carolina, “was handcuffed and later jailed under a $1.425 million bond” after he had contacted the police to notify them of a dead body in the middle of the road. As someone put it on Facebook, “Don’t call the cops. Ever. Even if you find a dead body. Just don’t ever call the cops.”

    26. Read what happened to Diane Avera of Meridian, Mississippi, when she went to Alabama to buy Sudafed, even though she did not know that this was illegal.

    27. Andy Johnson of Uinta County, Wyoming, faces EPA fines of $75,000 per day for building a pond on land that he owns.

    28. Douglas Zerby of Long Beach was shot and killed by police while watering his lawn because some idiot neighbor thought the hose nozzle was a gun.

    29. Darien Roseen was arrested and had his vehicle searched by sheriff’s deputies in Payette County, Idaho, simply because his Colorado license plates led them to believe that he could have been carrying marijuana.

    30. Brian Banks of Long Beach spent five years in prison and five more years as a registered sex offender as a result of a rape conviction. And then his accuser changed her story.

    These are not “isolated incidents.” There are no doubt countless other examples of people who were doing nothing wrong, yet were harshly punished.

    Also, consider the following:

    • The Internal Revenue Code is 73,955 pages and millions of words long. No one has read it cover-to-cover and no one knows every aspect of it. Yet if anyone violates any of its provisions it can mean fines, prison or even death.
    • We are often told that “ignorance of the law is no defense.” To the right is a picture of the Yale Law Library. Do you know every law contained within these tomes?

        Read what various emissaries of the Amerikan police state have done to these veterans who went all over the world to “fight for our freedom.”

    • Seventy-two types of Americans are classified as terrorists in various government docuмents. Senator Harry Reid has now added a seventy-third category.
    • Read how police have used asset forfeiture laws to seize millions of dollars from people without charging them with any crimes.

        Read this list of eight ways people commit felonies without even knowing it.

    • Read this article and pay special attention to these words from former NSA official William Binney: “The problem is, if they think they’re not doing anything that’s wrong, they don’t get to define that. The central government does.”
    • Read how the Innocence Project has helped exonerate over 300 wrongfully imprisoned people, many of whom were on death row.
    Attorney Harvey Silverglate argues that the average American commits three felonies a day without even knowing it.
    • This Ford executive claims that, thanks to GPS, “we know everyone who breaks the law.”
    • Although it has been estimated that there are over 3000 types of federal criminal offenses, no one knows the exact number for sure.

    So, do you still feel you have nothing to fear?
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    « Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 02:59:01 PM »
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    The guy in the meme, above, is holding an Apple iPhone, as if he's taking your picture.  


    I have personal testimony of these things going on, because it happened to me.  I wasn't dreaming.  Family members are witnesses to this.

    I was sitting in my car, having been parked legally for 15 minutes, in broad daylight at a state university parking lot, waiting to meet someone who was to arrive shortly.  A School Police officer shouted at me through my open driver's side window to get out of the car.  He had no warrant, and he did not offer any cause.  I turned my head to look at him, with my hands on the steering wheel, and saw him 5 feet away, holding a .38 cal handgun with both hands, and pointed at my face, and SHAKING as if HE was the one who was scared.  

    He had 4 friends as backups, arrayed over 40 degrees of arc, all with guns pointed at me.

    They refused to tell me what this was all about.  They just wanted me out of my car.  What would you do?  I didn't feel like dying that day.  Maybe they caught me at a good time.  I can imagine certain other days when I would not have felt the same.  Perhaps you can as well.

    So I got out of my car.  After demanding that I lie on the pavement and after they searched my pockets and after they searched my car, and after all they could find was my machinist's calipers in my pants pocket, in its leather sheath, they asked me, "What is this?"  You see, while I had been lying face-down on the ground they had held up my calipers to a woman who stood off about 30 feet away whom I could not see, and she had nodded "yes" to say that was the object she had seen me holding when she had called 911 on her cell phone to report me.  

    I answered their question by saying, "That is my calipers."  (Machinists don't always use proper grammar, but they do take very accurate measurements.)  

    They said, "What are calipers?"  I explained briefly what they're for.  

    They wanted to know why I would have been "brandishing" my calipers.  

    You see, the tattle-tail ignoramus had thought that I was handling a knife and had immediately presumed that I was a terrorist contemplating murder, so she called 911 to have me arrested for a thought crime.  I found out the stupid woman busy-body was a local Jєωess with nothing else productive to do, and was very proud that she was able to evoke the response of 5 armed officers to answer her objectively prank call (she didn't think it was prank, but it had no basis in reality, therefore it was effectively the same as a prank).  

    I could have been shot dead that day if I had made one 'wrong' move.  I had not been accused of any crime but rather I had been under suspicion of having a knife of illegal length, which I did not have at all.  The funny thing is, just the day before, I had removed a set of German kitchen knives from the car.  If I had not taken those out, I probably would have been taken to jail that day, not unlike the other 30 cases, above, or else, I might have been shot and killed, right in front of my family.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 03:18:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    .They wanted to know why I would have been "brandishing" my calipers.


    Did you measure how close you were to death?  :wink:

    Nothing happens without God's permission. Just assume that some good will come from it.

    A thread on this forum inspired me to oil pull. Now I know I should be careful going to get the paper while pulling, in case cops show up with arms out. I won't be able to respond to tell them that I have 7 more minutes to get the rest of the toxins out!

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    « Reply #4 on: May 20, 2014, 12:56:41 AM »
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    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    .They wanted to know why I would have been "brandishing" my calipers.


    Did you measure how close you were to death?  :wink:




    Yes.  It came to about seventeen thousandths of an inch.    :sad:


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    Nothing happens without God's permission. Just assume that some good will come from it.

    A thread on this forum inspired me to oil pull. Now I know I should be careful going to get the paper while pulling, in case cops show up with arms out. I won't be able to respond to tell them that I have 7 more minutes to get the rest of the toxins out!


    While it might seem reasonable to not speak while doing the oil pulling, based on my experience, you'd be much better off just swallowing, and then going ahead and responding to the cops with patience.  Whatever you do, don't spit out the oil, because you'd probably be committing some kind of felony that you're unaware of.  

    Remember:   The average American commits three felonies a day without even knowing it.  That's a good reason to not be an average American!

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    « Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 01:25:48 AM »
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    25. In a case of mistaken identity, Lewis James of Durham, North Carolina, “was handcuffed and later jailed under a $1.425 million bond” after he had contacted the police to notify them of a dead body in the middle of the road. As someone put it on Facebook, “Don’t call the cops. Ever. Even if you find a dead body. Just don’t ever call the cops.”



    Can someone explain why it's always the other guy who gets off?  Why is it that Lewis James was jailed after reporting a dead body in the road, but the stupid neighbor who reported that Douglas Zerby was hodling a "gun" wasn't charged with anything after it turned out he was holding a hose nozzle?  


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    28. Douglas Zerby of Long Beach was shot and killed by police while watering his lawn because some idiot neighbor thought the hose nozzle was a gun.



    I had a girlfriend whose brother was on the LAPD SWAT team.  This was when "The Chief" was named Daryl Gates.  (Gates was the founder of SWAT.)  She used to warn me:  "Never get involved.  No matter what you see happening, no matter who is doing what to whom, do not get involved."  And she claimed to be Catholic.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 01:30:15 AM »
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  • At least when you are dealing with a robber rapist you know who you are dealing with.

    When you deal with a cop you just never know.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #7 on: May 20, 2014, 11:15:16 AM »
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    At least when you are dealing with a robber rapist you know who you are dealing with.  
    When you deal with a cop you just never know.



    But what if the cop is a robber-rapist-cop -- would you know who you're dealing with then?


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