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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Best definition of feminism
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2019, 01:12:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 13, 2019, 11:15:13 AM
    men and women are complimentary, not equal.  
    Very good quote that says it all, thanks.
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #16 on: May 13, 2019, 01:14:19 PM »
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    • Agree.  I stole that from some YT video.  It's very short and to the point.
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #17 on: May 13, 2019, 01:20:23 PM »
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    • It's not just about equality, since in some respects they should receive equal treatment ... and, as Matthew points out, they have already achieved that and then some.

    It's about the refusal of subjection to men.  It's Lucifer's non serviam.
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    Offline Jaynek

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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #18 on: May 13, 2019, 01:40:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 13, 2019, 01:20:23 PM
    It's not just about equality, since in some respects they should receive equal treatment ... and, as Matthew points out, they have already achieved that and then some.

    It's about the refusal of subjection to men.  It's Lucifer's non serviam.
    Women are equal to men in the sense that their souls are equally precious to God, giving them equal dignity as human beings.

    But what is commonly understood by equality is that men and women are the same or that there is no basis for the husband to have authority over the wife.  This meaning of equality is the problem.

    It is so true that there is a widespread refusal of subjection to men.  Even on trad forums, I've seen women (and men!) who reject that a wife has an obligation to obey her husband.
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #19 on: May 14, 2019, 06:19:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on May 13, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
    Women are equal to men in the sense that their souls are equally precious to God, giving them equal dignity as human beings.

    But what is commonly understood by equality is that men and women are the same or that there is no basis for the husband to have authority over the wife.  This meaning of equality is the problem.

    It is so true that there is a widespread refusal of subjection to men.  Even on trad forums, I've seen women (and men!) who reject that a wife has an obligation to obey her husband.
    All absolutely true.  As a central point, feminists believe that women are the same (or better) than men and don't recognise either that we are different or that the roles for which God designed men and women place them in different positions in the family and therefore in society.  In fact they barely recognise the existence of the family as a unit, seeing it and everything which goes with it, especially motherhood, as simply a means of oppressing women. In particular they reject the submission of husband and wife to God (especially in terms of fertility) and of a wife to her husband as head of the family.  In doing so they reject any semblance of moral responsibility applied to women (though strangely not men) and every tannate of femininity.  
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #20 on: May 14, 2019, 08:56:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: SusanneT on May 14, 2019, 06:19:37 AM
     In fact they barely recognise the existence of the family as a unit, seeing it and everything which goes with it, especially motherhood, as simply a means of oppressing women. In particular they reject the submission of husband and wife to God (especially in terms of fertility) and of a wife to her husband as head of the family.
    That is why

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    Feminism = a young girl or woman of the world who is not married, or will be divorced many times, or marry a wimp, and never learn anything about life.

    Notice that all feminists are single, or divorced and re-married many times, or married to a wimp. (P.S- That does not mean that all single women are feminists)
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #21 on: May 14, 2019, 10:04:30 AM »
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    Women are equal to men in the sense that their souls are equally precious to God, giving them equal dignity as human beings.
    This is so obviously true that it need not be said.  The fact that you typed this shows you (and most women) have been programmed to view men as oppressive or that your gender is under attack (and if not attacked by men, then by whom?  Consciously, you will say that men are not the problem, but subconsciously, you've been tricked to think they are). 
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    This is not your fault that you have been programmed (we've all been programmed to some degree, on various issues, by the NWO/media/etc), but it shows the subtle agenda and psychological warfare that society is up against and which is out to destroy the beauty of femininity.
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #22 on: May 14, 2019, 01:12:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 14, 2019, 10:04:30 AM
    This is so obviously true that it need not be said.  The fact that you typed this shows you (and most women) have been programmed to view men as oppressive or that your gender is under attack (and if not attacked by men, then by whom?  Consciously, you will say that men are not the problem, but subconsciously, you've been tricked to think they are).
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    This is not your fault that you have been programmed (we've all been programmed to some degree, on various issues, by the NWO/media/etc), but it shows the subtle agenda and psychological warfare that society is up against and which is out to destroy the beauty of femininity.
    That's reading an awful lot into my statement, especially since you acknowledge it is true. You are telling me that I think the opposite of what I actually think.  For the record, I think that, in general, men are not oppressive and are the natural protectors of women.  Since the man I interact with the most, my husband, is extremely good and kind, that is how I tend to think of men, both consciously and unconsciously.  In all my time here, I never written anything about men being oppressive. On the contrary, I regularly object to others writing such things.

    I mentioned the sense in which it is correct to speak of men and women being equal in order to contrast it with the sense in which it is incorrect to say they are equal.  I thought it needed to be said because it can be confusing when something is true in one sense but false in another, so I wanted to clarify it.  It probably is true that women are programmed to think of men as oppressive, but that has nothing to do with why I wrote what I did.
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    Offline Maillot Jaune

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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #23 on: May 14, 2019, 02:06:56 PM »
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    • The best definition of feminism is placing women above God and corrupting & inverting the natural order in the process.
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #24 on: May 14, 2019, 02:21:40 PM »
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    It probably is true that women are programmed to think of men as oppressive, but that has nothing to do with why I wrote what I did.
    We are ALL programmed to think that men are toxic; it's been going on for 100 years, at least.  And if you're programmed, how is that sentence you wrote not affected by such programming?  The sooner you get "red pilled", the quicker you can de-program yourself.
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    Another example:  We're all so programmed by Protestant and atheistic thinking.  So when someone asks a question about "why did God create hell?", most of us would respond by saying:  "First of all, let's remember that God is all good..."  This is such a basic idea that it goes without saying, yet we are all programmed to think of hell as being "bad", therefore how can God send someone to a "bad" place?  It just goes to show that our thoughts on God's mercy are overblown and thoughts on His justice are minimized (which is Protestantism in a nutshell).
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    So it is with feminism.  It's gotten to the point where we all have been so conditioned to accept that men are wrong, or that women are mistreated, that we have to "justify" any rightful and normal placing of women in a secondary role, by reminding everyone that God loves women just as much as men.  ...But what does this have to do with social order and with men being in charge of the family?  Nothing.  But it's a natural, pre-programmed response to the subconscious/irrational/evil idea that our society has been spewing for a 100 years that men have enslaved women.
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #25 on: May 14, 2019, 02:55:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 14, 2019, 02:21:40 PM
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    So it is with feminism.  It's gotten to the point where we all have been so conditioned to accept that men are wrong, or that women are mistreated, that we have to "justify" any rightful and normal placing of women in a secondary role, by reminding everyone that God loves women just as much as men.
    But that is not what I was doing.   Don't you think it is possible that I have a better idea of what I was thinking than you do?  

    However, if you really do have the ability to read my mind, it will save me a lot of time.  I won't need to bother writing posts any more, since you can just tell everyone what I think.   8)
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #26 on: May 14, 2019, 03:50:51 PM »
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    I mentioned the sense in which it is correct to speak of men and women being equal in order to contrast it with the sense in which it is incorrect to say they are equal.
    The fact that you HAD to point out that men and women are equal in some capacity, shows that we are ALL programmed to view gender in a non-catholic way.  The fact that it is important to highlight equality shows that subversion is part of ALL of our mindsets.  It has NEVER been normal to view the sexes as equal, until our modern times.  That's because we've been programmed to think that inequality is bad; whereas inequality just means different, which is neither good nor bad.
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    Please don't take this personally.  I'm only pointing this out with you because you are a clear thinker and can understand this type of analysis. 
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #27 on: May 14, 2019, 05:39:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 14, 2019, 03:50:51 PM
    The fact that you HAD to point out that men and women are equal in some capacity, shows that we are ALL programmed to view gender in a non-catholic way.  The fact that it is important to highlight equality shows that subversion is part of ALL of our mindsets.  It has NEVER been normal to view the sexes as equal, until our modern times.  That's because we've been programmed to think that inequality is bad; whereas inequality just means different, which is neither good nor bad.
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    Please don't take this personally.  I'm only pointing this out with you because you are a clear thinker and can understand this type of analysis.
    I was not "pointing it out" but following up on a comment by Ladislaus that in some respects men and women are equal.  I was showing how that was true at the same time as other comments in the thread about men and women not being equal were also true.

    It is useful when a word is being used in two different senses to explicitly state what those senses are in order to avoid confusion.  This is why I made a statement about the sense in which men and women are equal followed by another statement about the sense in which they are not equal.

    I agree with your generalizations about how we Catholics can be influenced by the non-Catholic ideas around us.  But my post that you quoted was not an example of this phenomenon.  I do take personally that you refuse to accept that I know what I was thinking when I wrote my post.
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #28 on: May 15, 2019, 07:48:33 AM »
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    I agree with your generalizations about how we Catholics can be influenced by the non-Catholic ideas around us.  
    It's more than an influence; it's psychological, subconscious, programming/brainwashing.  We're all infected.

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    But my post that you quoted was not an example of this phenomenon.
     How do you know it wasn't, just slightly?  That's the point of subconscious programming - to change people's thinking without them knowing it.

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    I do take personally that you refuse to accept that I know what I was thinking when I wrote my post.
    Yes, I get what you were saying in this particular thread.  I was taking your comment out of context and making a larger point, which applies to all of us.  Sorry if you didn't get that.
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    Re: Best definition of feminism
    « Reply #29 on: May 15, 2019, 12:57:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 15, 2019, 07:48:33 AM
    Yes, I get what you were saying in this particular thread.  I was taking your comment out of context and making a larger point, which applies to all of us.  Sorry if you didn't get that.
    Let's say the situation were reversed.  Imagine that you made some obviously true statement about liturgy and I said that there was no reason to have said it so it was a sign that you subconsciously think the Novus Ordo is a good liturgy.  How would you react?

    A: There sure are a lot of people who approve of the Novus Ordo.  It was a great idea to make stuff up about me to make that point.

    B:  That is the exact opposite of what I believe and I object to having such a wrong opinion attributed to me.

    Obviously, I can't prove what I subconsciously feel about anything.  But consciously, I believe that generalizing that men are oppressive is an opinion that is both wrong and detestable.  I disagree with it so strongly that I get angry every time I encounter it.

    Unless you were given the gift of reading souls or have some other extraordinary ability, you do not have any idea what I subconsciously think and feel on this or any other subject.  You have no business making assertions about my subconscious in the first place.  If you want to make a general point that people are subconsciously brainwashed by feminism, do so without making things up about me.  
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