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Re: Bellarmine's interesting view on faith or science
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2024, 12:14:33 PM »
St Augustine in Civitas Dei gives the different chronologies of the various civilizations, and if I recall, even the Egyptians estimate the earth to be about 10,000 years old, according to Augustine.  But the Doctor of Grace does say that it matters not if we believe that the earth is eons old.  What we cannot say is that The Fall did not happen, or that God did not immediately create Adam and Eve, etc. 

The problem is, that the majority of those who hold that the earth is millions of years old tend to be evolutionists.  A Catholic is allowed to be a heliocentrist, but he cannot deny what was aforementioned. If a Catholic were obligated to believe a particular number of years - let us say, six thousand, seven thousand, no, ten thousand, et alia, there would be mayhem.  Sometimes numbers can be tricky.  Blessed Anne Emmerich says that there were over a hundred people on the Ark, and this is not against Faith.  When St. Peter says, "eight souls were saved through water,"  we can safely maintain that there were ninety more souls.  But we cannot say, "Only six souls were saved through water," as this would obviously imply heresy.  Now, if St. Peter had said "only eight souls were saved by water," then we would be obligated to believe only eight souls. But Scripture does not include the qualifier "only." 

The heliocentric heresy was never abrogated so is still a heresy.

'I saw these false computations of the pagan priests at the same time as I beheld Jesus Christ teaching on the Sabbath at Aruma. Jesus, speaking before the Pharisees of the Call of Abraham and his sojourn in Egypt, exposed the errors of the Egyptian calendar. He said the world had now existed 4028 years. When I heard Jesus say this, He was thirty-one years old.’--- Blessed Katarina Emmerick.

Katarina’s age for Jesus Christ is the exactly the same as found in the Scriptures: Adam 5 days, Noah and the flood 1056 years (2941BC), Abraham 1950 after Creation (AC), Exodus 2540AC, birth of Jesus 3997AC, death of Jesus 4030AC at 33 years, fall of Jerusalem 4070AC, the world on 2000AC was 5997 years old, 2022 years after Christ was the year 6,018AC and so on.

Re: Bellarmine's interesting view on faith or science
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2024, 12:17:26 PM »
In my English books of Blessed Emmerich I don't remember reading about 100 souls on the Ark, I thought it was just 8.

It seems she did St Giles. I only learned that recently. But it makes sense.

https://ronconte.com/2014/02/27/noah-and-the-flood-according-to-the-visions-of-blessed-anne-catherine-emmerich/

'The ark, lying there by itself on the top of the hill, shone with a bluish light. At a distance, it looked as if it were descending from the clouds. And now the time for the Deluge drew nigh. Noah had already announced it to his family. He took with him into the ark Shem, Ham, and Japheth with their wives and their children. There were in the ark grandsons from fifty to eighty years old with their children small and large. All that had labored at its construction and who were good and free from idolatry, entered with Noah.

There were over one hundred people in the ark, and they were necessary to give daily food to the animals and to clean after them. I must say, for I always see it so, that Shem’s, Ham’s and Japheth’s children all went into the ark. There were many little boys and girls in it, in fact all of Noah’s family that were good. Holy Scripture mentions only three of Adam’s children, Cain, Abel, and Seth; and yet I see many others among them, and I always see them in pairs, boys and girls.'


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Re: Bellarmine's interesting view on faith or science
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2024, 02:53:19 PM »
It seems she did St Giles. I only learned that recently. But it makes sense.

https://ronconte.com/2014/02/27/noah-and-the-flood-according-to-the-visions-of-blessed-anne-catherine-emmerich/

'The ark, lying there by itself on the top of the hill, shone with a bluish light. At a distance, it looked as if it were descending from the clouds. And now the time for the Deluge drew nigh. Noah had already announced it to his family. He took with him into the ark Shem, Ham, and Japheth with their wives and their children. There were in the ark grandsons from fifty to eighty years old with their children small and large. All that had labored at its construction and who were good and free from idolatry, entered with Noah.

There were over one hundred people in the ark, and they were necessary to give daily food to the animals and to clean after them. I must say, for I always see it so, that Shem’s, Ham’s and Japheth’s children all went into the ark. There were many little boys and girls in it, in fact all of Noah’s family that were good. Holy Scripture mentions only three of Adam’s children, Cain, Abel, and Seth; and yet I see many others among them, and I always see them in pairs, boys and girls.'

Interesting.  This does seem plausible, since, would Shem, Ham and Japeth have left their children behind?  Sacred Scripture does tend to focus on the principle characters, especially in genealogies.

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Re: Bellarmine's interesting view on faith or science
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2024, 02:57:01 PM »
St Augustine in Civitas Dei gives the different chronologies of the various civilizations, and if I recall, even the Egyptians estimate the earth to be about 10,000 years old, according to Augustine.  But the Doctor of Grace does say that it matters not if we believe that the earth is eons old.  What we cannot say is that The Fall did not happen, or that God did not immediately create Adam and Eve, etc. 

The problem is, that the majority of those who hold that the earth is millions of years old tend to be evolutionists.  A Catholic is allowed to be a heliocentrist, but he cannot deny what was aforementioned. If a Catholic were obligated to believe a particular number of years - let us say, six thousand, seven thousand, no, ten thousand, et alia, there would be mayhem.  Sometimes numbers can be tricky.  Blessed Anne Emmerich says that there were over a hundred people on the Ark, and this is not against Faith.  When St. Peter says, "eight souls were saved through water,"  we can safely maintain that there were ninety more souls.  But we cannot say, "Only six souls were saved through water," as this would obviously imply heresy.  Now, if St. Peter had said "only eight souls were saved by water," then we would be obligated to believe only eight souls. But Scripture does not include the qualifier "only." 

More than about 7,000 years old since the creation of Adam doesn't mesh with Sacred Scripture.  I guess the PBC left it open to determine whether the term "day" could mean something other than 24 hours, so that the days of creation prior to Adam could have been longer, but the genealogies in Sacred Scripture provide a very solid timeline since Adam.

I also don't see how a Catholic "is allowed to be a heliocentrist" other than the de facto permission of popes who refused to continue the initial condemnation of it.  Heliocentrism, of course, is abandoned even by moderns science, so there's also that.  According to Newtonian physics of "gravity", the solar system revolves around the barycenter of the system, which sometimes is outside the sun, so that the sun itself is rotating around it, not to mention that they now claim the universe is much larger and that the entire solar system is flying through space at breakneck speeds.

Re: Bellarmine's interesting view on faith or science
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2024, 11:18:52 PM »
I find it still disappointing and sad. He is promoting his same errors even recently.