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Re: Astrology From the Catholic Church’s Perspective
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2021, 09:43:48 AM »
I think the star wasn't like a beacon, but a symbol like other stars. Similar to astrologists who astrologically analyze a person given their birth date and other data, the Three Wise Men looked at the stars which told them that the savior would come, and they did the same with the newly appeared star of Bethlehem which indicated where they could find newborn Jesus.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Who can tell Dankward. I go with the belief the star that directed the wise men to that very place of Our lord's birth had to be a miraculous 'star.' As Ladislaus said no actual star could direct anyone to a certain place, only in a ceertain direction. Therefore it had to be a a light with a beam that directed the men in their journey.

But getting back to the original post and Nadir's post 'be not afraid of the signs of heaven, which the heathens fear“ we need to know the history of the star signs.

‘Because God created the material universe as an immense parable fraught with supernatural meaning, there exists an intimate relation between faith and the sky. “The heavens show forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.” (Ps 18:2). “Who telleth the number of the stars: and calleth them all by their names.” (Ps 146:4). “Shalt thou be able to join together the shining stars the Pleiades, or canst thou stop the turning about of Arcturus?” (Job 38:31-32). “Lift up your eyes on high and see who hath created these things: who bringeth out their host by number, and calleth them all by their names: by the greatness of his might, and power, not one of them was missing.” (Psa 40:26).’ --- Solange Hertz.

When God gave Adam and Eve dominion over the Earth and its creatures, even allowing Adam to name them, God reserved the heavens to Himself and His angels. Some today are familiar with the Zodiac, a cosmic phenomenon observed throughout the year as the sun, as seen from Earth, passes in front of different star clusters on the ecliptic plane of the celestial sphere. These are divided into twelve ‘signs,’ known as constellations, one for each month of the year each with three subsidiary ones in each. In time, mankind found that a line joining these star-clusters depicts a different creature each month. In the Bible, as viewed above, we see it was God who gave names to these annual clusters, but few are aware that He created them to show us the history of the world.

‘The story which the Zodiac unfolds in the course of the year lies in the meanings of these names given by God to each of the star-clusters in its forty-eight constellations when He set them in order in the beginning, making of them, as the Psalmist says: “faithful witnesses in heaven” (Ps. 88:38) of His plan for the world… Put in proper order, beginning not with Aries as now deployed, but with Virgo, the sign under which Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary, was born, and ending with Leo, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lion of Judah, universal Lord of Creation, rather than Pisces [Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo], the Zodiac foretold in the stars the story of the Incarnation, the Redemption and the world to come before the Bible was written.  (This, incidentally, provides the answer to the mystery of the Sphinx which, having the head of a woman and the body and tail of a lion is therefore simply a representation in stone of the ancient Zodiac). Capricorn, the sign under which Our Lord and saviour was born, is quite properly the Goat, a sacrificial animal offered for the remission of sins under the old law. Its back legs, however, terminate in the tail of a fish, signifying that its death produces life. In the accurate chronological order Capricorn is the fifth of the twelve signs, occurring appropriately in the beginning of the age of the Son in world history. God explicitly refers to the Zodiac when He asks Job out of the whirlwind, “Have you fitted a curb to the Pleiades, or loosened the bonds of Orion? Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth in their season, or guide the Bear with its train?” (Job 38:31-32)’--- Solange Hertz, The Scientific Illusion, 2003.

It is not surprising then, in the context of that great battle of principalities and powers to find occult agents commandeering the Zodiac phenomena and signs for their own needs and to blind humanity to its original purpose in creation. First developed was the pagan astrology, the ancient art of divination by consulting the planets and stars, particularly the signs of the zodiac in relation to observed human events and making deductions and future predictions on this basis. After the Copernican revolution, the sun replaced the Earth at the centre of the Zodiac but the astrology ‘signs’ continued as the object of fraud, superstition and the occult, with men and women still claiming to read personal prophesies and messages in them. Open any newspaper today and see how the Zodiac is used as a useless occult belief system for vast numbers of people as carrying predictions for each of the twelve signs. The Catholic faith of course, absolutely rejects the idea that the sun, moon or planets could actually influence or predict one’s personal present or future behaviour. The Church teaches that men have free will and that God alone knows the future.


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Re: Astrology From the Catholic Church’s Perspective
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2021, 09:58:13 AM »
Did you complete your doctorate Ladislaus?

I burnt myself out after nine years of straight study,Bachelors and two Masters. I can but trust in the Holy Ghost in this matter because otherwise I would look back and say what in blasted Hades did I do all that for?

No.  I completed all of the coursework for the Masters and Ph.D. but never did the dissertation.  Catholic University of America had a very difficult program where the Master's was on Classical Greek and Latin while the Ph.D. was on Patristic&Medieval Greek and Latin.  Both had these HUGE reading lists ... double what you would get if you JUST did Classical Greek and Latin.  Plus it would have taken another 3 years to finish the dissertation.  Well, that would have been impossible given that, having completed my coursework, I now needed to work full time to make a living, since I was no longer riding a scholarship.

I don't see it as a waste of time, though, since I learned so much about the Church Fathers.


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Re: Astrology From the Catholic Church’s Perspective
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2021, 10:10:19 AM »
I think the star wasn't like a beacon, but a symbol like other stars. Similar to astrologists who astrologically analyze a person given their birth date and other data, the Three Wise Men looked at the stars which told them that the savior would come, and they did the same with the newly appeared star of Bethlehem which indicated where they could find newborn Jesus.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, Sacred Scripture states that the start stopped right over the exact location where Our Lord was born, with a position or location so exact that they could find precisely where Our Lord was, so I can't see how a natural "star" (in our understanding of the term) could actually do that.  I personally believe that it was some preternatural light created by God and probably visible only to the Magi.  It directed them to the exact place Our Lord was born.

I'm not sure what the alternative would be, but of course this detail has not been revealed, so we're left to wonder.


Re: Astrology From the Catholic Church’s Perspective
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2021, 10:59:16 AM »
No.  I completed all of the coursework for the Masters and Ph.D. but never did the dissertation.  Catholic University of America had a very difficult program where the Master's was on Classical Greek and Latin while the Ph.D. was on Patristic&Medieval Greek and Latin.  Both had these HUGE reading lists ... double what you would get if you JUST did Classical Greek and Latin.  Plus it would have taken another 3 years to finish the dissertation.  Well, that would have been impossible given that, having completed my coursework, I now needed to work full time to make a living, since I was no longer riding a scholarship.

I don't see it as a waste of time, though, since I learned so much about the Church Fathers.
No, definitely time not wasted. I understand about reading lists completely. Oh vey! At least you were wise and did not have to slug through all of. Rahner’s and von Balthasar’s works, and commentaries upon commentaries. 
I was told my masters thesis was doctoral level stuff but the institution only was able to confer masters degrees. 
Plus all the extra studying on my own of actual Catholic teaching as the stuff we were fed was by a vast margin heretical. My small t traditional Catholic Polish faith was my saving grace.
God always knows what He is doing so nothing we rightly do should be in vain. 
I would not have minded taking Greek but there was no time at all. 
Being of Slavic blood, I have taken an interest in Church Slavonic, in transliteration. As Scotty would say, fixing the warp core is easy but reading Klingon is hard! Thus with the various forms of Cyrillic type. 
Sorry for the tangential discussion to all tuning in.
Back to astrology!


Re: Astrology From the Catholic Church’s Perspective
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2021, 11:07:52 AM »
Well, Sacred Scripture states that the start stopped right over the exact location where Our Lord was born, with a position or location so exact that they could find precisely where Our Lord was, so I can't see how a natural "star" (in our understanding of the term) could actually do that.  I personally believe that it was some preternatural light created by God and probably visible only to the Magi.  It directed them to the exact place Our Lord was born.

I'm not sure what the alternative would be, but of course this detail has not been revealed, so we're left to wonder.
Cannot Almighty God the Father who made the heavens and the Earth create a star especially to herald the birth of the Son of God? That is my belief. 
As an aside, Astronomy is great in the right hands but like any human endeavour, and subject to error.