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As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
« on: November 30, 2020, 06:43:05 AM »
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  • Although I think they are better suited to a place like FE, be on the lookout for an influx of NO Liberals coming over to CI in the new year......


    A message from the President of Catholic Answers
     
    Dear Members and Patrons of the Catholic Answers Forums

    On Thursday December 31 at 5pm PT, Catholic Answers will close the Catholic Answers Forums (CAF). I have made the decision to close the CAF after lengthy consultation with the Catholic Answers executive committee and board of trustees.

    Because Catholic Answers has limited resources, we are always evaluating our programs to determine if they provide a good return on investment. I understand that the word “good” is interpreted subjectively. Opinions about the merits of the CAF range more widely than those concerning any of our other works. Some find them helpful, others contentious, others find them addictive, and still others find some of the content not suited to an apologetics apostolate and some of the content better suited to private spiritual direction and sacramental confession.

    When we add to the inconclusive value of the forums, the significant cost in financial resources and personnel time to host, operate, and to what degree we can, govern them, Catholic Answers can no longer justify the effort. Our attempt to draw even a tenth of what they cost to operate through patronage was not successful. Some regular users of the Forums welcomed user fees. The vast majority wished to make use of the Forums for free. For our part, we need to make the best use we can of the gifts that donors to Catholic Answers give us to spread the Catholic Faith.
     
    Recurring Patron donations will be discontinued on December 31. If you would like to continue supporting the work of Catholic Answers, you can donate here.

    Thank you all for your support over the years and God bless.
     
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    P.S. Please visit www.catholic.com to search the largest database of Catholic answers.
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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #1 on: November 30, 2020, 11:45:28 AM »
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  • Wow. They were so liberal, they appealed to a huge audience. The more seriousness, morality, or (dare I say) sanctity you require from your members, the smaller your forum is going to be.

    CAF was at the absolute bottom of the list.

    I will point out one thing: apparently running a forum is difficult to make profitable. By the time you have enough traffic to be a decently busy forum, you almost need a dedicated server WHICH IS EXPENSIVE. I can relate to this. CathInfo has decent traffic, but not huge. And note I don't make much ad revenue with its current level of traffic. NEVERTHELESS, it has huge database, bandwidth, and server requirements. I tried to switch to more than your average $10 or $20/month "shared" hosting -- I went with $90/month -- and even that was having issues as bots or other traffic surged and triggered the site getting disabled by the webhost. Note that the $90/month hosting expense would already put CathInfo "in the red".

    I quickly realized I had to put CathInfo on my own in-house server -- but do you know how expensive and how big a deal that is? How many guys have "Linux admin", "maintaining a Linux webserver" including all security practices and aspects, in their list of skills?

    To hire a guy to do this would be prohibitively expensive for a site that makes less than $100/month.

    There are other issues that I won't go into here -- but long story short, there aren't many guys other than me who COULD host a CathInfo. That's why I'm not too worried about competition.

    P.S. Note I said "a CathInfo", not some small club of 10-12 friends on a private message board. That's easy. Getting a public forum with hundreds of members -- that's another story.

    P.P.S. I also moved CathInfo.com in-house so there would be one less point of failure -- I control the means of production as it were. Basically you'd have to hire an expensive lawyer and *sue me* to force me to do anything (e.g., censorship). There is no middleman over me to complain to, except for maybe the electric company. The electric company isn't going to drop someone for being controversial. It's outside their scope. They provide only the rawest of materials. Web hosting companies are a whole different animal! That's why I don't use one.
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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #2 on: November 30, 2020, 11:52:37 AM »
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  • "Thank you" is not enough for all your hard work and dedication, Matthew.  Your family will continue to be in my prayers.

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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #3 on: November 30, 2020, 11:54:53 AM »
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  • Translation: we cannot control the narrative because of the obvious heretical loon in Rome, so......shut it down. Folks are asking too many questions.
    "You must train harder than the enemy who is trying to kill you. You will get all the rest you need in the grave."- Leon Degrelle

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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #4 on: November 30, 2020, 12:09:32 PM »
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  • "Thank you" is not enough for all your hard work and dedication, Matthew.  Your family will continue to be in my prayers.
    Thank you. I bookmarked your amazon link on my computer so I hope when I shop from them you get some money. I imagine it is only a few pennies per purchase. I don't buy much from Chant CD so I get more from Cathinfo than I give unless my ignorant postings are valuable (who knows). If Skojec and Marshall can get hundreds of thousands of dollars from their traditional Catholic fans, maybe you could start grifting too. Not that I recommend it. It might be better to get your treasure in heaven rather than on earth.
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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #5 on: November 30, 2020, 01:57:29 PM »
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  • Perhaps this is a prefigurement of what's to come for the Newchurch. Only a matter of time before the entire novus ordo sect crumbles from rot. If they can't keep their forum operating, and not even dark monies from the Lavander Mafia at the Vatican to keep it afloat, then Newchurch is more diseased than ever. Controlling the narrative is extremely important to perpetuate the lie. They've now waived control of the narrative. Newchurch is disintegrating.
    Banned for being an agent provocateur

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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #6 on: November 30, 2020, 03:56:23 PM »
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  • I say good riddance. 

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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #7 on: November 30, 2020, 03:59:48 PM »
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  • Translation: we cannot control the narrative because of the obvious heretical loon in Rome, so......shut it down. Folks are asking too many questions.
    Heh.  Good riddance.  Does this mean they'll finally stop sending me emails?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #8 on: December 01, 2020, 12:22:48 PM »
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  • That place was good if you wanted to get a glimpse of what the Vatican 2 Religion is like. It was always interesting seeing novus ordites finding stuff that contradicts the Vatican 2 religion such as Cantate Domino. I also saw someone on there object to the prayer for heretics and schismatics during the Good Friday liturgy. You could find posts from people talking about novus ordo priests saying self abuse is fine. I also saw someone claim you could baptize with soda or coffee in an emergency. :facepalm:

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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #9 on: December 01, 2020, 12:43:06 PM »
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  • Wow. They were so liberal, they appealed to a huge audience. The more seriousness, morality, or (dare I say) sanctity you require from your members, the smaller your forum is going to be.

    CAF was at the absolute bottom of the list.

    I will point out one thing: apparently running a forum is difficult to make profitable. By the time you have enough traffic to be a decently busy forum, you almost need a dedicated server WHICH IS EXPENSIVE. I can relate to this. CathInfo has decent traffic, but not huge. And note I don't make much ad revenue with its current level of traffic. NEVERTHELESS, it has huge database, bandwidth, and server requirements. I tried to switch to more than your average $10 or $20/month "shared" hosting -- I went with $90/month -- and even that was having issues as bots or other traffic surged and triggered the site getting disabled by the webhost. Note that the $90/month hosting expense would already put CathInfo "in the red".

    I quickly realized I had to put CathInfo on my own in-house server -- but do you know how expensive and how big a deal that is? How many guys have "Linux admin", "maintaining a Linux webserver" including all security practices and aspects, in their list of skills?

    To hire a guy to do this would be prohibitively expensive for a site that makes less than $100/month.

    There are other issues that I won't go into here -- but long story short, there aren't many guys other than me who COULD host a CathInfo. That's why I'm not too worried about competition.

    P.S. Note I said "a CathInfo", not some small club of 10-12 friends on a private message board. That's easy. Getting a public forum with hundreds of members -- that's another story.

    P.P.S. I also moved CathInfo.com in-house so there would be one less point of failure -- I control the means of production as it were. Basically you'd have to hire an expensive lawyer and *sue me* to force me to do anything (e.g., censorship). There is no middleman over me to complain to, except for maybe the electric company. The electric company isn't going to drop someone for being controversial. It's outside their scope. They provide only the rawest of materials. Web hosting companies are a whole different animal! That's why I don't use one.

    Another thing to add if you haven't already is to become your own domain registrar. I've heard of sites being taken down by the registrar. If you're self hosting the content it wouldn't take much to point a new registrar to your server but something to consider. Cloudflare seems to be pretty good for free speech.

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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #10 on: December 01, 2020, 06:46:35 PM »
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  • Translation: we cannot control the narrative because of the obvious heretical loon in Rome, so......shut it down. Folks are asking too many questions.
    Perhaps this is a prefigurement of what's to come for the Newchurch. Only a matter of time before the entire novus ordo sect crumbles from rot. If they can't keep their forum operating, and not even dark monies from the Lavander Mafia at the Vatican to keep it afloat, then Newchurch is more diseased than ever. Controlling the narrative is extremely important to perpetuate the lie. They've now waived control of the narrative. Newchurch is disintegrating.
    Good riddance indeed. A hopeful sign of the Conciliar religion's impending fall. 

    A related article:

    Catholic Answers, Word on Fire author spills the beans on why he stopped defending Pope Francis
    Joe Heschmeyer reveals the moment where he had a 'wake-up call' that he needed to 'pivot how I’m approaching Pope Francis.'
    Tue Dec 1, 2020 - 3:06 pm EST


    By Pete Baklinski


    December 1, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – A Catholic author whose articles regularly appear at Catholic Answers and Word on Fire recently explained the moment when he realized that he could no longer defend the Francis pontificate.

    Joe Heschmeyer, an instructor at the Holy Family School of Faith Institute for the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas, recently told Catholic Australian author and university professor Matt Fradd that he, like so many other Catholic apologists, defended “everything” the Pope said in the first years of his pontificate out of a sense of “filial respect and obedience” and wanting to give the Pope “the benefit of the doubt.”

    Francis was elected Pope in March 2013. Ex-cardinal Theodore McCarrick that same year spoke about how Francis would “make the Church over again” and in two years would have “changed the papacy.” In 2015, one of Pope Francis’ top advisers, Argentinean Archbishop Victor Fernández, related that the change that the Pope is aiming to bring about is intended to be “irreversible,” such that the “next pope” will not be able to “turn everything back around.” As Pope Francis began to reveal and enact his agenda for the Church, he began to receive more and more pushback from Catholic clergy and lay scholars from around the world who pointed out the Pope’s break with perennial Church teaching and previous Popes.



    Heschmeyer related on Fradd’s Oct. 12  “Pints with Aquinas” show that the “turning point” regarding his “knee-jerk defending of the Pope” came in 2016 in the midst of the Zika virus crisis.

    “With Zika, it's still a terrible disease in Latin America, one of the consequences is that it can lead to birth defects where you have abnormalities in the shape of the baby's head. A reporter asked (Pope Francis) whether avoiding pregnancy might be the lesser of two evils in regards to this,” Heschmeyer said, noting that the question as it was framed was “really ambiguous,” since it was unclear if the questioner meant avoiding pregnancy by means of abstinence or contraception.

    “But rather than clarify that, the Pope just kind of says, ‘Oh yeah, like, it is the lesser of two, or it could be the lesser of two evils here, because there's a contradiction between the fifth commandment and the sixth commandment – that ‘thou shall not kill’ is going up against the sɛҳuąƖ morality that's broadly under the ‘don't commit adultery.’”

    “That was just such a bad (answer),” said Heschmeyer, pointing out that the Catholic Church has “never said, ‘Well, if there's a disease, or if you're worried about a birth defect, or if you're worried about X, Y, or Z, then contracepting is OK.’”



    “That totally undermines the Church's teaching. And, if you understand why the Church teaches why she does, then you'll understand why those aren't good arguments against it,” he related.

    The Catholic Church teaches that using contraception is “intrinsically evil,” that is, using it is always and in every case an act opposing God and his law since it deliberately frustrates the life-giving potential inscribed in the sɛҳuąƖ act by God and contradicts the giving of oneself “totally to the other” as demanded by the “truth of conjugal love” (CCC 2370). The Church’s teaching against contraception as well as her defense of spouses taking advantage of the natural cycles immanent in the reproductive system and engaging in marital acts only during those times that are infertile was expounded by Pope Paul VI in 1968 in his encyclical Humanae Vitae.

    Heschmeyer went on to say that those who defended the Pope’s comments by attempting to interpret them according to Church teaching were devastated when, the following day, papal spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi confirmed that the Holy Father was indeed speaking of “condoms and contraceptives.”

    “So, if you were giving (Pope Francis) the benefit of the doubt, as I was, as many people were, with the initial comments that, well, it was just badly expressed, the papal spokesman eliminated any ambiguity in the wrong direction, so to speak,” he said.

    The Catholic author also pointed out that the Pope’s notion that the commandments can contradict one another is not Catholic teaching.

    “(The Pope) has this whole thing where he's imagining that the Ten Commandments can contradict each other, which is pretty specifically condemned in Veritatis Splendor,” Heschmeyer said, adding that “God doesn't contradict God.”

    “(God is) never going to put you in a position where you have to choose between disobeying him or disobeying him, because that's not what a just and a loving God does.”

    It was at this moment that Heschmeyer said he realized that there could be no “twisting or turning of these words” of the Pope to somehow interpret them according to Church teaching.
    “That was kind of a wake-up call for me that I need to pivot how I’m approaching Pope Francis,” he said.


    The author released a book in June through Catholic Answers Press titled Pope Peter: Defending the Church's Most Distinctive Doctrine in a Time of Crisis in which he defends the institution of the papacy as founded by Christ in the person of Peter while addressing how Catholics should deal with the situation of “bad” papal leadership.

    “The Church right now is going through a period of crisis, at least in part because of bad papal and episcopal leadership. The household of God, which is the Church of the living God, is going through the roughest patch it has seen in centuries. Pretending otherwise is dishonest and it sets non-Catholics up for disappointment,” Heschmeyer wrote in his book.

    LifeSiteNews reached out to Heschmeyer for comment but did not receive a response before publication.

    Heschmeyer also runs a blog called Shameless Popery where many of his writings on God, the Eucharist, Mary, the Church, and the Bible can be found. In a Nov. 16 article published by Our Sunday Visitor, Heschmeyer addresses “papal authority and infallibility” in light of various papal scandals, including Pope Francis’ recent endorsement of civil unions for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couples.

    For Heschmeyer, while the Pope’s words on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ civil unions are “difficult (if not impossible) to square with prior magisterial teaching of the Church,” they in no way undermine the Church’s teaching on papal infallibility since such infallibility does not “protect the pope from saying erroneous things in off-the-cuff or private remarks, or in less-formal settings such as homilies.”

    “Rather, (infallibility) means simply this: When the pope is speaking and acting in an authoritative manner as pope — when he canonizes someone, or declares something to be a part of the Faith — we listen and obey, secure in the confidence that the Holy Spirit is protecting him (and ultimately, us) from error. And ultimately it means that come what may, whatever scandal may break out tomorrow, whatever clerical reputations may be ruined, we can rest secure in the bosom of the Catholic Church, holding firmly to the union and the orthodoxy to which we are called by Christ,” he wrote.


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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #11 on: December 01, 2020, 07:22:46 PM »
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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #12 on: December 02, 2020, 07:05:08 AM »
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  • The electric company isn't going to drop someone for being controversial. It's outside their scope. 
    ...They won't, yet!

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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #13 on: December 02, 2020, 07:07:03 AM »
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  • Were to many trads posting on it?
    I thought they banned Catholics when they figured it out.

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    Re: As of Dec. 31 CAF shutting down for good
    « Reply #14 on: December 02, 2020, 09:44:02 AM »
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  • ...They won't, yet!
    Yeah, but when that happens, it's all over.  Forums won't matter. The Internet won't matter. We'll all be living in compact cities, neutered, property-less, etc.
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