And the expression of voting while "holding one's nose" is the Pontius Pilate move of attempting to wash your hands of it.  So when Trump enables the Jews to genocide the Palestinians, you can claim like Pilate that you washed your hands of it because you figuratively "held your nose".  That article is deeply flawed, and I intend to expose it.  And the sad part is that this is Catholic Moral Theology 101 that end doesn't justify the means, and the term "lesser evil" is gravely scandalous even if you put it in quotes or air quotes (when speaking), pretending that the expression "lesser evil" is something else in the context of voting.  Just for one example, the buffoon's statement that "Because voting is good, it follows that it's permissible to vote for an evil candidate." has to be one of the most absurd things I've ever read.  Sure, because sɛҳuąƖ relations are good, it follows that fornication is permissible (that's actually the exact approach taken by the Modernist moral theologians after V2).  No, voting is morally indifferent and is good if you vote for a good candidate and bad if you vote for a bad one.  With this approach, it's all moral relativisim.  Heck, you could use it to justify voting for a candidate who approves of abortion through all 9 months if he's running against someone who does the same but then adds partial birth into the mix.  There's nothing you can't justfity with this morally relativistic and gravely erroneous principle.

"Lesser Evil" needs to not simply be put into quotes (to somehow pretend it isn't what it really is) but completely stricken from the Catholic vocabulary.  It's Catholic Moral Theology 101 that you can never do an evil in order to prevent even a greater evil, i.e. that "lesser evil" is to be rejected.  It's simply a variation on "end justifies the means".  To start using the language and condoning it leads go rave scandal since what's to prevent it from being applied to other moral situations.

And it's shocking that so many Trad clergy have fallen for it, as if they were asleep in the first day of Moral Theology class (since this is like Day 1 material in that class).

I don't even care if you want to vote for Trump, but you need to figure out how it's doable based on the Catholic principle of double effect.  If you can come up with an even-tortured explanation of how it's permitted to vote Trump based on double effect, where the good of Trump outweights the evil of Trump, whether it washes or not, at least you're reasoning in a CATHOLIC manner and not spouting this grave error, and arguably heresy.

Incomplete quote taken out of context and not even a quote from Catholic teaching:

https://sspx.org/en/news/catholic-principles-voting-7917

Try again.

Good catch, Vermont!

Here’s the full quote (but, as you said, it needs to be put in context):

”Consequently, it would be manifestly immoral and sinful to vote for a candidate who pretends to be Catholic, but who in fact is pro-abortion, pro-gαy, or pro-euthanasia.”

Why risk mortal sin voting for a guy that's bought and paid for thinking things are going to get better when we all (should) know that they won't? 

So, I ask you as well:  Show me Church teaching that clearly states that voting for a candidate such as Trump would be a mortal sin.

Lad, I like you and I think you're correct on this issue but this is the 2nd time you've said you're done posting here and then come right back.  Either don't say that or have the humility to say that you acted rashly out of anger or something and you're not really gone.   

I also don't understand how people even think voting for these people at all even counts or matters.  It's all a show and you're going to get who they want so why even vote at all?  I'm starting to wonder if hexes or spells are being cast on professed trads through the screens during Trump speeches or something thinking Trump is going to be some hero or savior?  Why risk mortal sin voting for a guy that's bought and paid for thinking things are going to get better when we all (should) know that they won't? 

This is a fair take on this. I ALSO for the life of me don't understand how voting matters for any of these Shabbos circus actors. Now, I wasn't in the "know" until about 7 years ago.. A lot of us haven't woken up, but what does scripture say:

Luke 12: 2-3  I REPEAT,  Luke 12: 2-3 


We are all slowly figuring this out, seems like one trad Catholic at a time. . 


But then people call you are weirdo or extremist if you're not a 'merica muh gunz bro like a lot of sedes/trads unfortunately are.


 "This country (USA) used to be great" - No, it did not. Not for a Catholic, anyway. Even every Catholic nation was downhill since 1800. 

We did what we could back in the day as American Catholics, but Popes warned us about Americanism in the past. The whole world was in for it no matter where you lived or who you gave allegiance to. American Catholics need to only pay their taxes and obey just laws. THAT IS LITERALLY ALL YOU NEED TO DO. 

The people you vote for are owned by the Anti-Christ ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. They say they are Jews, but they are not, they are of their father, Satan.

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I don't even care if you want to vote for Trump, but you need to figure out how it's doable based on the Catholic principle of double effect.  If you can come up with an even-tortured explanation of how it's permitted to vote Trump based on double effect, where the good of Trump outweights the evil of Trump, whether it washes or not, at least you're reasoning in a CATHOLIC manner and not spouting this grave error, and arguably heresy.

Yes. Double effect justifies voting for Trump.

What is double effect? One effect is intended, the other is not. Efforts are made to minimize the bad, and the good outweighs it.

An example? Bombing a territory in a Just War. It can be justified. Civilians must not be targeted. Efforts must be made to minimize casualties. Only the effect of killing enemy combatants is intended, and the good outweighs the bad.

So, likewise, in supporting President Trump, and Pro-Life Catholic VP JD Vance, what is the intended effect? Additional Pro-Life/Family policies/victories, especially 2 more Supreme Court Justices like Pro-Life Catholic Mom of 7 Amy Barrett, who helped break the back of Roe v Wade and consign it to the dustbin of history. These are numerous, additional serious, positive effects that more than justify voting for Trump, Mr. Ladislaus. Now, any bad unintended side effects must indeed be minimized, and this would not be necessary if people were smarter in the Primary and had supported Pro-Life Catholic Conservative Governor Ron DeSantis instead. But so be it. With the available choices, Trump-Vance are so far ahead of hαɾɾιs-Walz that double effect certainly comes into play and more than justifies voting Trump.

"Lesser Evil" reasoning is not necessary. God Bless.

THAT IS LITERALLY ALL YOU NEED TO DO.

Heresy. Are you a quietist heretic? I hope not, but it sounds like it.

quietism: "calm acceptance of things as they are without attempts to resist or change them."

"In like manner the great implementer of the glorious Council of Trent, Pope Saint Pius V, who saw the horrors of the first most virile form of protestantism, had this to say:

Quote “All the evils of the world are due to lukewarm Catholics.” 

Quote “All the strength of Satan’s reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics.”

https://catholicismhastheanswer.com/what-is-the-cause-of-all-the-evils-in-the-world/

Irrelevant. Rejecting the doctrine of double effect is probably another sin and close to heresy. Do you? I hope you don't.

The nukes on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were most certainly unjustified. So is Israel's brutal slaughter of civilians under the guise of self-defense. The rest I'm not interested in at the moment.

The point is, the doctrine/Thomistic principle of double effect justifies voting for Trump/Vance. Answer that if you can.

Whatever you say, man. You called me a heretic, too. Nice. 

I didn't call you a heretic, friend, I asked if you held to a heresy based on your posts, a very reasonable inference based on your suggestion that "Catholics need to only pay their taxes and obey just laws. THAT IS LITERALLY ALL YOU NEED TO DO." And I said I hope you are not. Quietism/Defeatism are objectively errors and heresies, and Catholics are in danger of falling to Bolshevik Communist Revolution 2.0 if we don't wake up and fight. May God bless and enlighten you. Godspeed.