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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: 2024 article on the principles of voting
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2024, 06:56:35 PM »
And the expression of voting while "holding one's nose" is the Pontius Pilate move of attempting to wash your hands of it.  So when Trump enables the Jews to genocide the Palestinians, you can claim like Pilate that you washed your hands of it because you figuratively "held your nose".  That article is deeply flawed, and I intend to expose it.  And the sad part is that this is Catholic Moral Theology 101 that end doesn't justify the means, and the term "lesser evil" is gravely scandalous even if you put it in quotes or air quotes (when speaking), pretending that the expression "lesser evil" is something else in the context of voting.  Just for one example, the buffoon's statement that "Because voting is good, it follows that it's permissible to vote for an evil candidate." has to be one of the most absurd things I've ever read.  Sure, because sɛҳuąƖ relations are good, it follows that fornication is permissible (that's actually the exact approach taken by the Modernist moral theologians after V2).  No, voting is morally indifferent and is good if you vote for a good candidate and bad if you vote for a bad one.  With this approach, it's all moral relativisim.  Heck, you could use it to justify voting for a candidate who approves of abortion through all 9 months if he's running against someone who does the same but then adds partial birth into the mix.  There's nothing you can't justfity with this morally relativistic and gravely erroneous principle.

"Lesser Evil" needs to not simply be put into quotes (to somehow pretend it isn't what it really is) but completely stricken from the Catholic vocabulary.  It's Catholic Moral Theology 101 that you can never do an evil in order to prevent even a greater evil, i.e. that "lesser evil" is to be rejected.  It's simply a variation on "end justifies the means".  To start using the language and condoning it leads go rave scandal since what's to prevent it from being applied to other moral situations.

And it's shocking that so many Trad clergy have fallen for it, as if they were asleep in the first day of Moral Theology class (since this is like Day 1 material in that class).

I don't even care if you want to vote for Trump, but you need to figure out how it's doable based on the Catholic principle of double effect.  If you can come up with an even-tortured explanation of how it's permitted to vote Trump based on double effect, where the good of Trump outweights the evil of Trump, whether it washes or not, at least you're reasoning in a CATHOLIC manner and not spouting this grave error, and arguably heresy.

Re: 2024 article on the principles of voting
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2024, 07:25:29 PM »
At least SSPX got this right, having pointed out that ...

Consequently, it would be manifestly immoral and sinful to vote for a candidate who ... is pro-abortion, pro-gαy, or pro-euthanasia.
Incomplete quote taken out of context and not even a quote from Catholic teaching:

https://sspx.org/en/news/catholic-principles-voting-7917

Try again.


Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: 2024 article on the principles of voting
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2024, 07:31:29 PM »
Incomplete quote taken out of context and not even a quote from Catholic teaching:

https://sspx.org/en/news/catholic-principles-voting-7917

Try again.

Good catch, Vermont!

Here’s the full quote (but, as you said, it needs to be put in context):

”Consequently, it would be manifestly immoral and sinful to vote for a candidate who pretends to be Catholic, but who in fact is pro-abortion, pro-gαy, or pro-euthanasia.”






Re: 2024 article on the principles of voting
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2024, 09:43:59 PM »
Lad, I like you and I think you're correct on this issue but this is the 2nd time you've said you're done posting here and then come right back.  Either don't say that or have the humility to say that you acted rashly out of anger or something and you're not really gone.    

I also don't understand how people even think voting for these people at all even counts or matters.  It's all a show and you're going to get who they want so why even vote at all?  I'm starting to wonder if hexes or spells are being cast on professed trads through the screens during Trump speeches or something thinking Trump is going to be some hero or savior?  Why risk mortal sin voting for a guy that's bought and paid for thinking things are going to get better when we all (should) know that they won't?  

Re: 2024 article on the principles of voting
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2024, 05:59:26 AM »
Why risk mortal sin voting for a guy that's bought and paid for thinking things are going to get better when we all (should) know that they won't? 
So, I ask you as well:  Show me Church teaching that clearly states that voting for a candidate such as Trump would be a mortal sin.