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Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 12:50:05 PM »
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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #16 on: February 28, 2019, 12:35:27 PM »
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  • For those needing a place to stay, I would recommend this one: https://www.wamegoinn.com/

    Also, if you are planning to come please let Hugh Owens know so as to plan seating arguments and food availability: http://kolbecenter.org/contact-us/

    Thank you!


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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #17 on: February 28, 2019, 12:38:05 PM »
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  • For those needing a place to stay, I would recommend this one: https://www.wamegoinn.com/

    Also, if you are planning to come please let Hugh Owens know so as to plan seating arguments and food availability: http://kolbecenter.org/contact-us/

    Thank you!
    Woops! that should read "arrangements" NOT "arguments", hopefully there will be no rude out bursts or arguments although civilized debates are allowed. 

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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #18 on: February 28, 2019, 01:40:08 PM »
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  • I certainly hope this book which is featured for sale on the Kolbe Center website makes a strong appearance at the seminar:

    Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church - E-Book (PDF)
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    Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church provides a detailed and comprehensive rebuttal to the scientific, theological and exegetical views held by Fr. Paul Robinson, including his views on: The Big Bang; long-ages for the Universe and Earth; progressive creationism; heliocentrism; a local Noachic flood; and current views on radiometry and sedimentology. 575 pages.

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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #19 on: February 28, 2019, 02:11:53 PM »
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  • I certainly hope this book which is featured for sale on the Kolbe Center website makes a strong appearance at the seminar: 

    Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church provides a detailed and comprehensive rebuttal to the scientific, theological and exegetical views held by Fr. Paul Robinson, including his views on: The Big Bang; long-ages for the Universe and Earth; progressive creationism; heliocentrism; a local Noachic flood; and current views on radiometry and sedimentology. 575 pages.
    Yes, I am sure that "progressive creationism" will be addressed along with many of the errors that proceed form it.


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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #20 on: March 02, 2019, 01:54:29 PM »
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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #21 on: March 02, 2019, 02:43:26 PM »
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  • UPDATE: Schedule up, see here: http://kolbecenter.org/?post_type=tribe_events
    Creation, Evolution and the Crisis ofFaith

    The TraditionalCatholic Doctrine of Creation and the Judgmentof Philosophy and Natural Science on the Theory of EvolutionA SeminarCo-Sponsored by the Kolbe Center for the Study of Creationand Business Owners Support Services

    Presenters: Hugh Owen, Director, Kolbe Center;Pamela Acker, Biologist;& Thomas Seiler, Ph.D., PhysicsWhat light do Scripture, Tradition, and authoritative Magisterial teachings of the past shed on the origins of man and the universe? How does cutting edge natural science judge the theory of evolution?How do the answers to these questions relate to the current crisis of faith and morals?Bring your questions, find the answers.Where: George J. Perry Memorial Armory, 110 S 5th Street,St. Marys, KansasWhen: Friday, March 226:30 PM to 8PMSaturday, March 2310 AM to 5 PM(Lunch will be available for sale)Cost: FREE(however donations to help cover cost will be appreciated).Pre-registration is not required but requested to help with seating arraignments.To respond online or for more Information, please contact: Hugh Owen howen@shentel.net. Check out the Kolbe Center at www.kolbecenter.org

    Tentative scheduleFriday, March 22
    6:30 PM Opening prayers and introductions6:45-8:00The Catholic Doctrine of Creation: The Foundation of Our Holy Faith-Hugh Owen 8:00 -8:30Questions and Answers

    Saturday, March 23
    10 AMOpening prayers and introductions 10:15 to 11:15 Cosmology, Thermodynamics and the Traditional Catholic Doctrine of Creation-Dr. Thomas Seiler, Ph.D., Physics, Germany 11:15-11:30 Break 11:30-12-30 Icons of Evolution-Pamela Acker, M.S., Biology 12:30-1:30 Lunch Break 1:30 -2:30 Evolution and the Anti-Culture of Death-Hugh Owen 2:30 -2:45 Break2:45 -3:45 Genetic Entropy: The Death Knell of Biological Evolution-Pamela Acker, M.S., Biology 3:45 -4:00Break 4:00 -4:30The Difference It Makes: Why Catholics Cannot Build a Culture of Life on anyother Foundation than that of the Traditional Doctrine of Creation-Hugh Owen 4:30 -5:00 Questions and Answers. Closing Prayers and Final Blessing


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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #22 on: March 02, 2019, 02:44:36 PM »
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  • Will this be videotaped for viewing via the Kolbe Center website and or youtube?


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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #23 on: March 04, 2019, 10:17:38 AM »
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  • Will this be videotaped for viewing via the Kolbe Center website and or youtube?
    I do not know, but I hope someone will record it.

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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #24 on: March 04, 2019, 10:58:51 AM »
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  • I do not know, but I hope someone will record it.
    Thanks for the response Mr. G.  I am going to contact the Kolbe Center to inquire about this while at the same time encouraging them to record it themselves if at all possible.

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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #25 on: March 04, 2019, 01:05:05 PM »
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  • Thanks for the response Mr. G.  I am going to contact the Kolbe Center to inquire about this while at the same time encouraging them to record it themselves if at all possible.

    I just called the Kolbe Center and managed to speak to the Director (who will be coming to St. Marys as one of the speakers) of the Center, Hugh Owen.  He said that unfortunately they don't really have the means to bring down visual recording equipment to the seminar.  However, the good news is that he hopes someone will be able to record it and that if it is done he would be open to having it placed on the Kolbe Center's website for access by the public.

    I also found out today from another source (on the ground in St. Marys) that plans for greater publicity of the seminar are presently being contemplated such as dissemination of flyers throughout the area.  Please keep the success of this important seminar (in the heart of largely "hostile" territory) in your prayers.  Also, please consider a contribution to the Kolbe Center to help subsidize their magnificent Catholic efforts in general and their trip to St. Marys in particular.

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    The following is seen on CathInfo.com under the OP Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX

    #30: Contradiction (Fr. Robinson's Book Signals a "New Attitude" in Menzingen):

    For decades, Bishop Fellay gave conferences in which he spoke of an alleged "new attitude in Rome" and in more recent years an alleged "new openness to Tradition."  

    For its part, Rome might observe a "new attitude in Menzingen," which moves well beyond the tenets of the branding campaign (by which the SSPX was made to cease war on conciliar and Roman modernism, as was explained in post #26 of this thread), and into the active promotion of modernism.

    One of the things Francis could point to (besides everything else cited in this thread) evincing this "new attitude in Menzingen" would be the 2018 release of Fr. Paul Robinson's book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science."
    https://angeluspress.org/products/the-realist-guide-to-religion-and-science

    Surely Rome smiled when it learned that:

    -The book would be published by a conciliar publishing company;

    -The Foreword written by Novus Ordo priest.  

    -Fr. Robinson would champion the exegetical interpretations of Fr. Stanley Jaki (a modernist who questioned the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch, as well as the literal interpretation of Gen: 1-3, which was the near-unanimous consensus of Church Fathers);

    -The book would feature a denial of a global flood;

    -The book would feature a denial of a young age for the earth (thereby purporting to remove a significant obstacle to the acceptance of evolution);

    -The book would reject the consensus of the Fathers' literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account;

    -The book would represent an endorsement of the heretical historico-critical method of exegesis;

    -The book would suggest a redefinition of scriptural inerrancy by admitting the possibility of error into Biblical historical accounts;

    -The book would reject the traditional Martyrology's account of a young earth:

    “In the year, from the creation of the world, when in the beginning God created heaven and earth, five thousand one hundred and ninety-nine; from the flood, two thousand nine hundred and fifty-seven; from the birth of Abraham, two thousand and fifteen; from Moses and the coming of the Israelites out of Egypt, one thousand five hundred and ten; from the anointing of King David, one thousand and thirty-two; in the sixty-fifth week, according to the prophecy of Daniel; in the one hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad; in the year seven hundred and fifty-two from the founding of the city of Rome; in the forth-second year of the empire of Octavian Augustus, when the whole world was at peace, in the sixth age of the world, Jesus Christ, eternal God, and Son of the eternal Father, desirous to sanctify the world by His most merciful coming, having been conceived of the Holy Ghost, and nine months having elapsed since His conception, is born in Bethlehem in Juda, having become man of the Virgin Mary.”
    Martyrologium Romanum (reading for the 25th day of December

    In the old days, the SSPX used to publish articles like this one by Dr. Terry Jackson, defending young earth theory and the global extent of the Flood:
    http://archives.sspx.org/against_sound_bites/devolution_of_evolution.htm

    Or this one, condemning the idea that we have as yet not discovered the "true meaning" of Genesis ( and that the near-unanimous consent of the Fathers was wrong):
    https://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1998_March/Evolutionism.htm

    Neither can one make the argument that as a single priest, Fr. Robinson's book it not representative of SSPX opinion.  True, there has been no Menzingen declaration to this effect (Thank heavens!), but shortly after the book's release, it was the SSPX's US District itself which coordinated and promoted a book launch in St. Mary's, KS.  The SSPX therefore cannot be absolved of sponsorship.
    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/sspx-priest-releases-new-book-realist-guide-religion-and-science-35276

    Shortly thereafter, evolution zealots invaded Cathinfo to defend their pet (one of them a St. Mary’s college professor).  It didn’t matter that Fr. Robinson himself denied evolution.  His championing of old earth theory had ostensibly removed the barricade and placed the SSPX upon a new trajectory in that direction, and Rome knew it.

    The purpose of this book was to telegraph to Rome that the Society was down with modernity, and Rome need not fear them staining the conciliar church’s reputation by projecting “ignorant pre-conciliar attitudes” “disproven” by “science.”
    The Realist Guide to Religion and Science - Angelus Press.pdf (479.85 kB - downloaded 0 times.)
    SSPX-org Dr Terry Jackson - The Devolution of Evolution - February 1997.pdf (221.13 kB - downloaded 0 times.)
    sspxasia-com SiSiNoNo - Evolutionism or Teilhardism - March 1998 No 25.pdf (203.87 kB - downloaded 0 times.)
    SSPX Priest Releases New Book_ The Realist Guide to Religion and Science - District of the USA - Jan 31 2018.pdf (1065.67 kB - downloaded 0 times.)



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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #26 on: March 04, 2019, 02:21:17 PM »
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  • It is interesting to note that the SSPX claims not to takes sides yet they sensor Fr. Rusak's criticism but allows Fr. Robinson free reign. 

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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #27 on: March 04, 2019, 02:26:20 PM »
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  • It is interesting to note that the SSPX claims not to takes sides yet they sensor Fr. Rusak's criticism but allows Fr. Robinson free reign.
    Yes, quite interesting indeed!

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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #28 on: March 05, 2019, 12:46:53 PM »
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  • Many years ago I looked up a Catholic encyclopedia to read what it said about Noah's flood. It suggested it was a local flood in keeping with the Galilean reformation. As we now know, from 1835 when popes conceded to a new heliocentrism, that was the end to the Church's responsibility to protect the flock from FALSE PHILOSOPHY. From the moment they conceded to human reasoning over faith (the 1616 decree defining a fixed sun formal heresy) they were scared to death of making another 'SUCH ERROR IN FAITH AND SCIENCE.' Accordingly, they not only allowed every evolutionary theory right back to a big Bang to be believed by the flock, but they believed in these absurdities right to the top of the Rome.

    I bet few knew that Darwin's On the Origins of Species that came out in 1859, 24 years AFTER the pro-heliocentric hoax, was NEVER PUT ON THE INDEX.

    But a local flood makes a joke out of Genesis and Moses's story of this huge Ark taking years to build when all Noah had to do was to take his family on a year's holiday outside that local area. As for filling it with all those creatures and birds, well that too had to be another stupid thing to do if it was only a local flood. Such a flood suggests humans outside the area could have survived, so why did Moses tell us there were only 8 humans left after it?

    And what about the theology built upon the Ark? It represents the Catholic Church, only through which one can be saved. Gee, the red Indians and Buddists must have been laughing reading that story.

    Now it is all very well asserting a local flood, but what about all the what abouts. Does Robinson tell us his new theology?
    Sure its no wonder Catholicism has become humanism today in so many ways.

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    Re: Any interest out there for a confrence by Kolbe Center for Creation
    « Reply #29 on: March 05, 2019, 02:24:53 PM »
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  • Many years ago I looked up a Catholic encyclopedia to read what it said about Noah's flood. It suggested it was a local flood in keeping with the Galilean reformation. As we now know, from 1835 when popes conceded to a new heliocentrism, that was the end to the Church's responsibility to protect the flock from FALSE PHILOSOPHY. From the moment they conceded to human reasoning over faith (the 1616 decree defining a fixed sun formal heresy) they were scared to death of making another 'SUCH ERROR IN FAITH AND SCIENCE.' Accordingly, they not only allowed every evolutionary theory right back to a big Bang to be believed by the flock, but they believed in these absurdities right to the top of the Rome.

    I bet few knew that Darwin's On the Origins of Species that came out in 1859, 24 years AFTER the pro-heliocentric hoax, was NEVER PUT ON THE INDEX.

    But a local flood makes a joke out of Genesis and Moses's story of this huge Ark taking years to build when all Noah had to do was to take his family on a year's holiday outside that local area. As for filling it with all those creatures and birds, well that too had to be another stupid thing to do if it was only a local flood. Such a flood suggests humans outside the area could have survived, so why did Moses tell us there were only 8 humans left after it?

    And what about the theology built upon the Ark? It represents the Catholic Church, only through which one can be saved. Gee, the red Indians and Buddists must have been laughing reading that story.

    Now it is all very well asserting a local flood, but what about all the what abouts. Does Robinson tell us his new theology?
    Sure its no wonder Catholicism has become humanism today in so many ways.
    True, the idea that the Flood was local goes against simple logic. If the flood was local and yet covered the mountains, then what was holding the water back to prevent the water from reaching beyond the local region? God would need to have a wall (higher than the mountains) around the region and then fill that with water like a big tub.
    Also, Moses says serval times that it covered "all" the earth, and destroyed "all" out side the ark, so now these modernists want us to believe that the word "all" is actually "many". Where have we heard that before?