Tens of thousands Jєωs protesting the State of Israel in NYC

Published on 12 Jun 2013
On June 9, 2013, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jєωs assembled on the streets of New York City to protest against the existence of the State of Israel, and to condemn it's current evil decree to draft yeshiva students.
The mass demonstration took place in Federal Plaza Square in lower Manhattan, where a huge platform had been set up for several hundred rabbis and leaders of communities. In front of the platform were seated hundreds of prominent and esteemed people, while the rest of the square was overcrowded with the tens of thousands participants.

Yes, there are, in fact, some Orthodox Jєωs (I think most of them are Haredim) who are opposed to Zionism. They believe that Zionism is a theological heresy since it entails that the Jєωs can return en masse to Israel before the arrival of the Jєωιѕн Messiah.

The media, being a Jєωιѕн construct by and large, is wilfully distorting the issue.

At its core, the protest has to do with something the haredim, Jєωry's greatest freeloaders (not that it's easy for us mere goyim to distinguish one Jєωιѕн freeloader from another), are mightily upset about. Whilst they have been claiming for sixty years that they regard the State of Israel as an abomination, its abominableness hasn't stopped them from moving there—or in the case of the super-rich Jєωs of Crown Heights, Forest Hills, and Westchester, Putnam, and Sullivan counties, from maintaining a pied à terre there and flying over there on Israeli election days to vote—because using their money and other forms of influence, they have gotten themselves exempted from military service so they can pursue "religious" study. (That at least is the term used to describe their diamond businesses and their government-backed seizures of Palestinian property.) Their "religiousness" also exempts them from many if not most taxes (Israel, being the model of a modern communist state, taxes at least as many things as Uncle Herschel Sam does).

The secular-atheist gangster-founders of this storefront operation of International Jєωry decided long ago to roll out the red carpet for these self-important cultists in their midst. They figured, "So what? There aren't many of them, and the Gentiles really think the haredim are weirdly attractive—the echtest of echt Jєωs!" What the gangsters didn't count on was the fertility of these horny, inbred jerks. Their families are typically three and four times larger than more secular Israeli Jєωιѕн families, and so of late, with even the billions in American government, NGO, and QUANGO support cash being insufficient to maintain the lavish standard of living of all these bums, the Knesset klowns have debated whether to put some of the special-status provisions enjoyed by the haredim into at least temporary abeyance.

No important Western newspaper would publicize the facts because of the embarrassment it would cause the self-chosen. Doubtless, too, any wider awareness might awaken some people to the fact that everything involving Jєωs is a racket. That awakening, of course, usually goes by another name in Establishment circles: anti-Semitism, history's oldest hate. [yawn]

If you think Catholics fight one another, visit the Hasidic communities of Brooklyn!  Just don't tell anyone where you've already been or where you're going next unless you've a death wish!  I did research among them in the 1980s and had to go under different names and wear disguises!  The Satmarer HATE--not too strong a word--the country that calls itself Israel, yet they take full advantage of dual citizenship, are exempt from military service in BOTH countries, and make full use of the welfare system in both.  Oy veh!

The secular-atheist gangster-founders of this storefront operation of International Jєωry decided long ago to roll out the red carpet for these self-important cultists in their midst. They figured, "So what? There aren't many of them, and the Gentiles really think the haredim are weirdly attractive—the echtest of echt Jєωs!" What the gangsters didn't count on was the fertility of these horny, inbred jerks. Their families are typically three and four times larger than more secular Israeli Jєωιѕн families, and so of late, with even the billions in American government, NGO, and QUANGO support cash being insufficient to maintain the lavish standard of living of all these bums, the Knesset klowns have debated whether to put some of the special-status provisions enjoyed by the haredim into at least temporary abeyance.

That really doesn't seem to address the larger issue, though, which is this: why do the Liberal Jєωs there, who probably hate everything Haredi (personally I think that many of them are committed αnтι-ѕємιтєs) continue to put up with them? It is of course obvious that they wish to maintain the facade that Israel is a "Jєωιѕн state" (that makes as much sense as arguing that the present-day US is a "Christian nation"), but that still doesn't explain what the liberals' ultimate agenda regarding them is. Perhaps they will betray them down the road when it comes time to finally establish the "global project".

Would you at least answer this question: is there any real anti-semitism among the Jєωs, or is that just another "hoax"?

p.s. Currently, I am an agnostic as regards evolution (i.e. I have not had a chance to investigate the issue in detail, although there seems to be a lot of signs that the theory itself was “manufactured” by a certain group in England), so I don’t think you could really convince me of your theory just by citing the work of an evolutionist “scientist”.

One need not "believe" in evolution—I certainly don't—to respectfully acknowledge the work of a scholar whose findings are buttressed by facts and watertight docuмentation.

Furthermore, I see no purpose in trying to convince a man with, admittedly, little or no knowledge of the subject, let alone the supporting evidence, of the truth of the matter under discussion. Once you decide to move past the name-calling stage, there is much heavy lifting to be done before you can become informed. And no one else can do it for you.

As for anti-Semitism, it is worthy of note that the people who constantly use the expression and constantly complain of the concept's never-ending presence refuse to define the term. Ask them why. In the absence of an answer, you might consider the possibility that its true and indeed only value to them is less as an intellectual or moral problem to be addressed or overcome than as a blunt instrument with which to assault their enemies.

As the late Joseph Sobran wrote, God Himself managed to compose both Testaments without using the term anti-Semitism even once. Yet it has become inseparable from any discussion of what sensible people used to call the Jєωιѕн problem. The problem is bigger now than perhaps at any time since the Romans' reluctant but eminently defensible destruction of Jerusalem more than 1,940 years ago and the scattering of the very people and their children who, fewer than forty years before, had loudly called upon God to witness their assumption of responsibility for the crucifixion of their Messiah.

Once again, you have failed to answer my question. For a man claiming to spout so much "evidence", you seem to provide little of it, aside from touting your own “self-evident theories”.

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p.s. Currently, I am an agnostic as regards evolution (i.e. I have not had a chance to investigate the issue in detail, although there seems to be a lot of signs that the theory itself was “manufactured” by a certain group in England), so I don’t think you could really convince me of your theory just by citing the work of an evolutionist “scientist”.

One need not "believe" in evolution—I certainly don't—to respectfully acknowledge the work of a scholar whose findings are buttressed by facts and watertight docuмentation.

As far as I am aware, MacDonald’s academic background is in the sciences, not in history. You seem to downplay the fact that the man is an evolutionist (which is not a “slur”, but simply means that he is someone who is committed to the theory of evolution—if you wish to deny that, then go ahead) but I don’t. Modern science has been dominated by a clique of radical empiricists for a very long time, reliant not only on rather dubious theories (evolution being the prime example), but on a false methodology as well. And seeing that this man’s own methodology seems to be substantially based upon that of “evolutionary psychology” (something heavily promoted by modern science, by the way), I see no real reason to simply take him at his word. Why should I believe his theories regarding the “genetic disposition” of Jєωs anymore than those of the early eugenicists (e.g. the Huxleys) or those of Richard Dawkins (who famously claims that belief in God is a genetic disorder) and his crowd?

As for anti-Semitism, it is worthy of note that the people who constantly use the expression and constantly complain of the concept's never-ending presence refuse to define the term. Ask them why.

I look at objective reality as expressed by the concrete facts and history, not merely at some group’s “opinions” (and, yes, I am fully aware of how the term “anti-semitism” is abused). And, based on that, I am simply not convinced that your narrative adequately supports the presence of anti-semitism (Anti-Judaism, if you prefer--which, to be clear, I define as including both what is called "theological anti-semitism" and "racial/ethnic anti-semitism") in the world, particularly among the Jєωs themselves (if you want to ask for the evidence supporting my contention here, then please do so).

As the late Joseph Sobran wrote, God Himself managed to compose both Testaments without using the term anti-Semitism even once.

Then what would call the actions of Haman in the Book of Esther, or those of Antiochus Ephiphanes in the 1 and 2 Book of Maccabees (where the Jєωs there are said to be explicitly fighting for “Judaism” (2 Maccabees 2:19-22) (Septuagint-LXX))?

...Since you are or choose to be seen as an Easterner...

As far as I can tell, you are the one engaging in name-calling, not I. How am I an “Easterner”?

...I first saw him described in print as a "rabid αnтι-ѕємιтє" literally thirty years ago—in a book written by a full-bore neoCatholic published by Paulist Press!...

Presumably, that would mean that they consider him not only a theological αnтι-ѕємιтє but also a racial αnтι-ѕємιтє (correct me if I am wrong). If that is true, then I don’t see what your point is as Chrysostom was not a racial αnтι-ѕємιтє.