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Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • If you own this book...

    Does this vindicate Father Cekada's critique of it for you?

    Is it, "Dead on Arrival"? 

    Or will you keep it because its the, "kind of book you keep around the way people keep a broken tool in the garage - not because it works, but because it reminds you what not to do"?





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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • 📜 A Hypothetical Medieval Inquisitorial Declaration (Allegorical & Fictional)

    In the Year of Our Lord MCCCLXXXVII, under the dread seal of the Sacred Tribunal of the Faith, let this decree go forth to all Christendom.

    Whereas the writings of Master Salvius and Brother Sicardus, men swollen with confidence yet barren in discernment, have been laid before this Holy Office; and whereas their tome, vast in bulk yet void in truth, has been found to twist the words of the Fathers, to confound the simple, and to cloak error beneath the garments of authority;

    We, the appointed guardians of the Apostolic Faith, after long examination and solemn deliberation, declare the said writings to be:

    pernicious in doctrine, reckless in method, and perilous to the souls of the unwary.

    For these authors, presuming to instruct the faithful, have dared to set their own judgment above the testimony of the ancient Doctors, and have fashioned arguments that crumble beneath the weight of the very authorities they invoke.

    They speak boldly where the Saints speak cautiously, they bind where the Church has not bound, and they loose where the Church has not loosed. Thus do they scatter the flock and darken the lamp of understanding.

    Therefore, by the authority entrusted to this Tribunal, we pronounce their work gravely suspect, its reasoning corrupt, its conclusions unsound, and its influence dangerous to the peace of Holy Church.

    Let no cleric or layman receive their assertions as though they bore the weight of doctrine. Let their book be approached as one approaches a serpent in the grass — with vigilance, with discernment, and with the shield of the Fathers held high.

    Yet we pass no sentence upon their souls, for judgment belongs to God alone. We admonish them as erring brothers, and we warn the faithful that their writings are not a beacon of truth but a snare woven of zeal without knowledge.

    Thus is our decree set forth,

    under our hand and seal,
    in the cloister of Saint Veritas,
    on the Feast of the Chair of Saint Peter.
    So let it be written.
    So let it stand.

    🎻 The Ballad of Salvius and Sicardus

    (A Medieval Tale of Scholarly Misadventure — Fictional & Allegorical)

    I. O gather round, good Christians all, And hear a merry tune, Of Salvius bold and Sicardus wise, Who argued ‘neath the moon. With quills held high and parchments spread, They vowed to teach the schools— But every time they struck a pose, They made themselves the fools.

    II. For Salvius cried, “I know the truth! The Doctors speak for me!” Yet when he cracked their ancient tomes, They sang a different key. He quoted Bellarminus loud, To prove his clever rules— But Bellarmine, in Latin clear, Made mockery of fools.

    III. Then Sicardus rose with swelling pride, His inkpot full of might: “I’ll summon Suarez to my side, And win this learned fight!” But Suarez, saintly, shook his head From heaven’s shining stools— “Your gloss is thin, your logic bent; You twist the words of schools.”

    IV. They thundered on through Wernz and Vid’, Through Coronata’s page, Yet every master they invoked Turned traitor on the stage. For each citation that they flung Like knights with sharpened tools, Came whirling back with comic speed To brand them as the fools.

    V. The monks who watched their parchment war Could scarce contain their mirth: “To see two scholars trip themselves Is joy of rarest worth!” For never had the scriptorium Seen such befuddled duels— Where every stroke they meant as wise Proclaimed them merry fools.

    VI. So let this ballad wander far, Through cloister, hearth, and hall: A warning to the zealous scribe Who thinks he knows it all. For pride may wield a mighty pen, And confidence its jewels— But truth alone crowns wisdom’s brow, And humbles would‑be fools.


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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • You are not making it clear. It's much simpler.

    The status of THE MAN and the status of THE SEE are two different things.

    If a pope is an EXPLICIT HERETIC he ceases IPSO FACTO to be pope. That is the status of the MAN.

    The status of the SEE becomes impeded and a declaration of fact needs to be had in order for the status of the see to become vacant.

    An election can only be held when the status is vacant, not "impeded" by a false pope.


    *  canon law specifically has a term "sede impedita".


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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • You are not making it clear. It's much simpler.

    The status of THE MAN and the status of THE SEE are two different things.

    If a pope is an EXPLICIT HERETIC he ceases IPSO FACTO to be pope. That is the status of the MAN.

    The status of the SEE becomes impeded and a declaration of fact needs to be had in order for the status of the see to become vacant.

    An election can only be held when the status is vacant, not "impeded" by a false pope.


    *  canon law specifically has a term "sede impedita".














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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 04:19:25 PM »
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  • You shouldn't be using Grok. You'll be sorry if you don't have the skill to argue with it and feed it necessary information.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia mentions "Sede Romana Impedita" when a pope becomes a heretic. What will Grok say to that? that the Catholic Encyclopedia is wrong? Then will you unquestionably just accept Grok?

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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • The Catholic Encyclopedia mentions "Sede Romana Impedita" when a pope becomes a heretic. What will Grok say to that? that the Catholic Encyclopedia is wrong? Then will you unquestionably just accept Grok?
    You’re confusing descriptive language with canonical categories.
    The Catholic Encyclopedia uses “sede Romana impedita” in a broad historical sense, not as a technical term for papal heresy.

    In classical theology and canon law:

    • A sede impedita is a See whose true bishop still holds office but is prevented from acting.
    • A manifest heretic ceases to be pope ipso facto.
    • Therefore the See becomes vacant, not impeded.
    This is the unanimous teaching of Bellarmine, Suarez, Wernz–Vidal, Coronata, and the classical canonists.

    No AI is needed to see that — just the sources themselves.


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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 04:36:03 PM »
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  • You’re confusing descriptive language with canonical categories.
    The Catholic Encyclopedia uses “sede Romana impedita” in a broad historical sense, not as a technical term for papal heresy.

    In classical theology and canon law:

    • A sede impedita is a See whose true bishop still holds office but is prevented from acting.
    • A manifest heretic ceases to be pope ipso facto.
    • Therefore the See becomes vacant, not impeded.
    This is the unanimous teaching of Bellarmine, Suarez, Wernz–Vidal, Coronata, and the classical canonists.

    No AI is needed to see that — just the sources themselves.

    Ask Bishop Sanborn. I know he said that sede impedita actually describes it.


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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • Ask Bishop Sanborn. I know he said that sede impedita actually describes it.
    He would, as that fits well with the Thesis...;)

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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • Fr. Paul Kramer tore Siscoe and Salza apart in his two volumes of To Deceive the Elect.

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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • He would, as that fits well with the Thesis...;)

    Sound like you are totalist.


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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • Fr. Paul Kramer tore Siscoe and Salza apart in his two volumes of To Deceive the Elect.
    Yes, but they are so verbose and he includes so much other material that reading them is actually more of a headache IMO.

    The A.I. just cleared up everything in 10 seconds exposing how ridiculous their arguments are. 

    It doesn't fall for their sophistry and specious arguments that, beg the question.

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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • You’re confusing descriptive language with canonical categories.
    The Catholic Encyclopedia uses “sede Romana impedita” in a broad historical sense, not as a technical term for papal heresy

    The fact that somehow you say "sede Romana impedita " is a broad sense, is plainly opposite to what it is. It is a precise and nuanced term.

    I am convinced you are a "totalist", which explains a lot about the divide. Totalists can't seem to grasp nuance.

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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • Yes, but they are so verbose and he includes so much other material that reading them is actually more of a headache IMO.

    The A.I. just cleared up everything in 10 seconds exposing how ridiculous their arguments are.

    It doesn't fall for their sophistry and specious arguments that, beg the question.

    Is it possible to run this for Contra Cekadam by Fr. Chazal?  It would be interesting to read.

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    Re: Another A.I. Bug: Salza & Siscoe DESTORYED?
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  • Neither AI nor "Two Volumes" were remotely necessary to shred Salza & Siscoe.

    This can be done with two sentences, ones that I used to throw at Salza when he was here:  "Salza & Siscoe spent hundreds of pages trying to prove that St. Robert Bellarmine held the same opinion as Cajetan.  It's a shame they had not been around to save him from this embarrassment, by explaining to him what he really thought and that it was identical to Cajetan's position."

    For many months, I kept warning R&R not to cite Siscoe & Salza, since I pointed out that the principles they promote militate against their R&R position and Traditional Catholicism in general.  Well ... S&S turned on SSPX, R&R, and all Traditional Catholics.