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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anglican "Archbishop" to offer "Mass" at St Peters with Francis
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2024, 04:10:20 PM »
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  • That is exactly what he is doing.

    Yeah, that's "exactly" what he's doing because you can read his mind and his soul ... when it's clear that you can't even read and understand even slightly-nuanced English.

    Here you absolutely expose the lie that you claim to simply be "questioning" him.  Bovine excrement.  You're not questioning anything.  You've clearly made up your mind about him, and in your mind he can do no right, and you've never said one positive thing about +Vigano.  "That is exactly what he's doing."  Doesn't sound like a question of any kind.

    Offline Emile

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    Re: Anglican "Archbishop" to offer "Mass" at St Peters with Francis
    « Reply #16 on: January 23, 2024, 04:11:02 PM »
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  • There’s one mess (mass) we can all agree is invalid.  What next, concelebrating with the Dali Lama?
    Or at 770 with R. Yehuda Krinsky?  In the tunnel? 
    On the current trajectory, and if Francis were to live long enough, he and Welby would probably get "married" to each other. :popcorn:

    And I said: How long, O Lord? And he said: Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land shall be left desolate.
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago


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    Re: Anglican "Archbishop" to offer "Mass" at St Peters with Francis
    « Reply #17 on: January 23, 2024, 04:17:36 PM »
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  • Yeah, that's "exactly" what he's doing because you can read his mind and his soul ... when it's clear that you can't even read and understand even slightly-nuanced English.

    Here you absolutely expose the lie that you claim to simply be "questioning" him.  Bovine excrement.  You're not questioning anything.  You've clearly made up your mind about him, and in your mind he can do no right, and you've never said one positive thing about +Vigano.  "That is exactly what he's doing."  Doesn't sound like a question of any kind.
    You are a liar about my never saying anything positive about him.  Would you like me to post the comments? 

    I was and have been questioning (so, I never lied), but this tweet shows exactly what is going on for those who have eyes to see. 

    I am done questioning.  I have now made up my mind. In my opinion, Vigano is playing both sides of the fence.

    But that doesn't mean you will keep me from speaking my mind.  :fryingpan:

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    Re: Anglican "Archbishop" to offer "Mass" at St Peters with Francis
    « Reply #18 on: January 24, 2024, 06:07:30 AM »
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  • No, it's not valid to question it.  Matthew unequivocally stated that he has verified the conditional consecration as fact.  You can call Matthew a liar then, but be open about it.  I also have sources who have directly asked Bishop Williamson, and Bishop Williamson confirmed it to them ... and they're not liars either.  Not only that but I've seen it confirmed by Bishop Faure in writing, and it was also confirmed by Father Chazal.

    Just saw this post.  To be clear I wasn't calling into question his conditional consecration.  That is why I phrased my post the way I did. I called into question why he had one, keeps it hush-hush, and then writes a tweet that leads others to believe that the priests in the Novus Ordo are "true priests".  Probably the same reason why he calls the Novus Ordo bishops his "Brother Bishops".

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    Re: Anglican "Archbishop" to offer "Mass" at St Peters with Francis
    « Reply #19 on: January 24, 2024, 06:38:03 AM »
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  • Your incessant (often slanderous) attacks against +Vigano are beginning, quite bluntly, to disgust me, as they reek of Pharisaism and lack of charity.  You need to do some examination of your conscience about why you detest this man, especially when you have absolutely zero stake in whether or not he's a valid bishop or whether or not he's a "true" Traditional Catholic by your own twisted cult-like standards.
    It's okay that I disgust you.

    Your incessant, narcissistic know-it-all posts here on CI disgust me.  Not to mention your constant attempts to paint me as a slanderer and/or liar.  You think you are always right no matter the topic (but especially Vigano!).  You are always the one who hurls insults at others.  It's why I try very hard not to interact with you anymore, but that's quite difficult when you are everywhere on this forum (and others don't have the option to just downthumb your posts).

    No, you Ladislaus, are the one who needs to do some examination of your conscience.


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    Re: Anglican "Archbishop" to offer "Mass" at St Peters with Francis
    « Reply #20 on: January 24, 2024, 08:47:13 AM »
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  • I'm not going to get involved in this brawl, but could someone answer my question, is Francis concelebrating this "Mass" with the Anglicans, or is he just acting as a kind of presider, or guest in his own basilica?

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    Re: Anglican "Archbishop" to offer "Mass" at St Peters with Francis
    « Reply #21 on: January 24, 2024, 09:22:35 AM »
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  • is Francis concelebrating this "Mass" with the Anglicans, or is he just acting as a kind of presider, or guest in his own basilica?

    To answer your question from yesterday: No, he does not seem to have been present for this rent-a-basilica event. Details below.

    According to yesterday's anglicannews.org,
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    Anglican and Catholic Bishops visit St Peter’s Basilica as part of Ecuмenical Summit
    Posted on: January 23, 2024 9:56 PM
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    The service was sung by a specially assembled choir drawn from the two Anglican churches in Rome, All Saints (Church of England) and St Paul’s within the Walls (Episcopal Church). The Revd Canon Robert Warren, Chaplain of All Saints’ Anglican Church in Rome, officiated.

    In a story from Vatican News, the only mention of activity by the Santa Marte resident is an event tomorrow at another church not Saint Peter's (tacky to schedule this on the date of the Conversion of Saint Paul):
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    On 25 January, at the tomb of the Apostle Paul, Pope Francis and the Archbishop of Canterbury will send the Bishops in pairs to be witnesses to Christian unity.

    [PS, I didn't read the CM article in the OP cause I'm not signing up with them, not even for one day. So I don't know what exactly Ferndale is claiming.]
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    Re: Anglican "Archbishop" to offer "Mass" at St Peters with Francis
    « Reply #22 on: January 24, 2024, 10:26:06 AM »
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  • This below from the "Vatican Dicastery for Promoting Christian Unity" could be the complete schedule.


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    Week of Prayer for Christian Unity 2024 in Rome
    15 Jan 2024

    As in other years, the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity in Rome will be celebrated from 18-25 January.

    The Holy Father Francis will preside over the Second Vespers of the Solemnity of the Conversion of Saint Paul the Apostle at the conclusion of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity on Tuesday 25 January at 17.30 in the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls with the participation of representatives of the other Christian communities in Rome and Italy. The celebration will be broadcast live on the Vatican News website.

    Other ecuмenical initiatives are listed below:
     
    THURSDAY 18 JANUARY
    16:30
     Centro Pro Unione
    (Via Santa Maria dell’Anima, 30 - Rome)
    Synodality at your fingertips 
     
    Speakers:
    Dr Prof Tamara Grdzelidze, Professor at Ilia State University, Tbilisi, Georgia; former Ambassador of Georgia to the Holy See
    Dr Rev Maurizio Mirilli, Chaplain at the Policlinico Tor Vergata, Rome; former Responsible for Youth Ministry for the Diocese of Rome
    Dr Rev Vanessa Bayha, Director of the Centro Melantone, Rome
    followed by
    a Taizé Prayer led by The Lay Centre at Foyer Unitas
    Organized by Centro Pro Unione and The Lay Centre at Foyer Unitas
    17:30
     Santa Brigida 
    (Piazza Farnese)
    Ecuмenical Vespers presided over by Cardinal Kurt Koch, Prefect of the Dicastery for Promoting Christian Unity (DPCU), with the participation of Bishop Bo-Göran Åstrand, Diocese of Porvoo, Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland,  Metropolitan Arseni of Kuopio and Karelia, Orthodox Church of Finland, and Bishop Raimo Goyarrola, Diocese of Helsinki, Catholic Church in Finland.
    18:00
     Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls
     
    Vespers with the Lutheran Community of Rome presided over by Revd Pastor Michael Jonas.
     
    FRIDAY 19 JANUARY
    16:00
     Basilica Santa Maria sopra Minerva
    (Piazza della Minerva, 42 - Rome)
    On the occasion of the feast of St. Henry of Finland, an ecuмenical celebration presided over by Revd Bo-Göran Åstrand, Bishop of the Evangelical-Lutheran Diocese of Porvoo, with the participation of Revd Raimo Goyarrola, Bishop of the Catholic Diocese of Helsinki and Revd Arseni, Metropolitan of the Orthodox Church in Finland. The songs will be performed by the Schola Borgoensis ensemble from Porvoo. The celebration is organised by the Finnish Evangelical-Lutheran Church, the Finnish Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church in Finland, in cooperation with the Embassy of Finland to the Holy See.
    19:00
     Parish San Gaspare del Bufalo 
    (Piazza San Gaspare del Bufalo, Roma - Metro A - Station Arco di Travertino)
    Ecuмenical diocesan vigil presided over by H.E. Msgr Riccardo Lamba, Auxiliary Bisop of Eastern part of Rome and Delegate for Ecuмenism. Preach by Revd Michael Jonas, Lutheran Pastor.
     
    SATURDAY 20 JANUARY
    16:00
     Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls
    (apse of the basilica)
    Ecuмenical Conference "Egyptian Monasticism: Permanent Source of Unity in the Church". Speaker: Revd Abbot Fernando Rivas, OSB
    17:00
    Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls Ecuмenical Vespers with the Coptic Orthodox Community of Rome. Revd Father Mikhaiel El Antony presides.
    18:30
     Pontifical Beda College 
    (V.le di San Paolo, 18, Rome)
    Ecuмenical celebration.
     
    SUNDAY 21 JANUARY
    10.00
     Christ Church
    (Via Sicilia, 70) - Festive service with Bishop Manzke and Bishop Åstrand (Finland)
    19.00
     S. Maria dell'Anima
    - Ecuмenical Vespers with the Choir of the Christ Church                                                                          
     
    MONDAY 22 JANUARY
    18:00 
     Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls
     
    Ecuмenical Vespers with the Anglican Community of Rome presided over by Revd Jonathan Boardmann.
     
    TUESDAY 23 JANUARY
    12:45
     Anglican Center in Rome
    (Piazza del Collegio Romano, 2, Rome)
    Eucharist (anglican rite) - Homely: H.E. Card. Pietro Parolin, Secretary of State of Vatican City.
    17:00
     Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas
    (Angelicuм) (Largo Angelicuм, 1, Rome)
    Academic event on the occasion of the 20th Anniversary of the Joint International Commission for Theological Dialogue Between the Catholic Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches.
    17:45
     
    Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls: Vespers with the Romanian Orthodox Diocese of Italy presided over by Bishop Siluan. 
    18.00
     Basilica Saint Peter 
    (Choir Chapel)
    Choral Evensong (Anglican Vespers) on the occasion of IARCcuм (International Anglican-Roman Catholic Commission for Unity and Mission) meeting.
    19.00
     Methodist Church
    (Via XX Settembre) - Ecuмenical Prayer
     
    WEDNESDAY 24 JANUARY
    19.00
     Parish of St. Saturninus the Martyr
    (Via Avigliana, 3) - Ecuмenical Prayer
     
     THURSDAY 25 JANUARY
    11:30
     Basilica di San Bartolomeo all'Isola
     
    Eucaristia cantata (rito anglicano) - Presidenza e Omelia: S.G. Justin Welby, Arcivescovo di Canterbury.
    17:30
     Basilica Saint Paul Outside the Walls
     
    Secondi vespri della solennità della Conversione di San Paolo Apostolo celebrate in conclusione della Settimana di preghiera per l'unità dei cristiani e presieduti da Sua Santità Papa Francesco.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus