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Offline Carissima

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An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
« on: September 21, 2017, 10:49:01 PM »
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    • Taken from a Rev. Peter Wallace's article about the flat earth exsisting no more:

    'Scripture calls us to see the earth as a flat surface with a solid dome over it. It turns out that these statements are figurative,'

    Here's another:
    'The earth is the center of the physical universe not in a physical sense, but in a spiritual sense.'
    http://www.peterwallace.org/old/essays/flatearth.htm

    Ok I'm sorry but that's pure garbage. 
    The entirety of this man's article points out that the Bible WAS and ALWAYS WAS understood to be a FLAT EARTH BOOK, only it had been misinterpreted all along. 

    Even the ancient Hebrews believed it to be flat with a dome Firmament. (He actually goes into detail) But unfortunately for them they only had misunderstood, or got the translations wrong, or something like that. 
    Well, that's a great way to let pagans know that Scripture's real reliable. 

    So for around 5600 years all the ancients had been wrong. Everything known, and written about the earth (including Scripture) passed down through tradition over the centuries, was all wrong because Galileo, Copernicus and others, came along and taught us something 'new', 'better', and 'more advanced.'

    Huh, interesting..sounds a lot like modernism to me.



    The Catechism teaches-
    Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, His one Utterance in whom he expresses Himself completely:64

    Spinning globe earth undermines Scripture. That means it does matter what we believe. 
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    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 11:05:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on September 21, 2017, 10:49:01 PM
    Taken from a Rev. Peter Wallace's article about the flat earth exsisting no more:

    'Scripture calls us to see the earth as a flat surface with a solid dome over it. It turns out that these statements are figurative,'

    Here's another:
    'The earth is the center of the physical universe not in a physical sense, but in a spiritual sense.'
    http://www.peterwallace.org/old/essays/flatearth.htm

    Ok I'm sorry but that's pure garbage.
    The entirety of this man's article points out that the Bible WAS and ALWAYS WAS understood to be a FLAT EARTH BOOK, only it had been misinterpreted all along.

    Even the ancient Hebrews believed it to be flat with a dome Firmament. (He actually goes into detail) But unfortunately for them they only had misunderstood, or got the translations wrong, or something like that.
    Well, that's a great way to let pagans know that Scripture's real reliable.

    So for around 5600 years all the ancients had been wrong. Everything known, and written about the earth (including Scripture) passed down through tradition over the centuries, was all wrong because Galileo, Copernicus and others, came along and taught us something 'new', 'better', and 'more advanced.'

    Huh, interesting..sounds a lot like modernism to me.



    The Catechism teaches-
    Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, His one Utterance in whom he expresses Himself completely:64

    Spinning globe earth undermines Scripture. That means it does matter what we believe.
    Ma'am, exactly why should a Catholic give a rip what some heretic has to say about anything in particular?

    Is he some kind of subject matter expert and, if so, who says?

    Is this going to be more of that guileful insinuation like "Globey" = "Protestant"

    If you have something definite to say, then say it.
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 07:58:13 AM »
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    • Interesting to note the Catholic Church gave up on the idea of the flat earth right around the time it began accepting the heliocentric model.
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 10:26:54 AM »
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    • Even a Protestant can see that Scripture describes a flat earth. He just thinks that it should be taken figuratively instead of literally. 

    It does indeed sound like Modernism. 
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 12:44:04 PM »
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    • I have a question:
       Some Flat-Earthers here suggest that believing in the Earth as a globe or sphere is a heresy and makes one no better then the Protestants. Sedevacantists also gibe various arguments that a heretic is not Catholic and therefore not be Pope.
    Quote from: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 07:58:13 AM
    Interesting to note the Catholic Church gave up on the idea of the flat earth right around the time it began accepting the heliocentric model.
    Would this suggest we have not had a Pope since the adoption of "heliocentrism"? This thought just suddenly came to me while reading this thread.

    What century did this start?
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 12:48:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Student of Qi on September 22, 2017, 12:44:04 PM
    I have a question:
       Some Flat-Earthers here suggest that believing in the Earth as a globe or sphere is a heresy and makes one no better then the Protestants. Sedevacantists also gibe various arguments that a heretic is not Catholic and therefore not be Pope.Would this suggest we have not had a Pope since the adoption of "heliocentrism"? This thought just suddenly came to me while reading this thread.

    What century did this start?
    Heliocentrism? 16th-17th century?
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 12:51:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 07:58:13 AM
    Interesting to note the Catholic Church gave up on the idea of the flat earth right around the time it began accepting the heliocentric model.
     If THE Catholic Church gave up the Flat Earth position, which is sinful to do, does this not mean The Church has failed? "The Gates of Hell shall not prevail against her" was a lie?  If this is the case, why are any of you still Catholic? Personally, if Catholicism was a fake religion I'd go become Greek Orthodox... next best thing, seemingly.
    I suppose you should clarify what you mean by "The Church" for those of us reading this comment who clearly see this to be a misstatement.
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 12:54:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 12:48:33 PM
    Heliocentrism? 16th-17th century?
    More or less, yes. But what I mean to say is, if a Pope subscribed to heliocentrism then he was not a pope, right? Presuming we had popes in tge 1800s who did not question the sciences, we must have had a vacant seat more then once before Vatican II.

    This is what I conclude if I mix Sedevacantist and Flat Earth positions. Are there any others who have thought about this?
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #8 on: September 22, 2017, 03:10:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Student of Qi on September 22, 2017, 12:54:27 PM
    More or less, yes. But what I mean to say is, if a Pope subscribed to heliocentrism then he was not a pope, right? Presuming we had popes in tge 1800s who did not question the sciences, we must have had a vacant seat more then once before Vatican II.

    This is what I conclude if I mix Sedevacantist and Flat Earth positions. Are there any others who have thought about this?
    I'd like to know the specs (Who, what, where,... etc.) regarding this alleged "adoption" of Heliocentrism.
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #9 on: September 22, 2017, 04:14:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 22, 2017, 03:10:12 PM
    I'd like to know the specs (Who, what, where,... etc.) regarding this alleged "adoption" of Heliocentrism.
    I too would like more info. Tradplorable mentioned The Church did away with Flat Earth ideology and adopted heliocentrism. This, to me, would suggest that somewhere at some time a Pope must have been heliocentric. Hence, my questions.
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #10 on: September 22, 2017, 04:19:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Student of Qi on September 22, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
    I too would like more info. Tradplorable mentioned The Church did away with Flat Earth ideology and adopted heliocentrism. This, to me, would suggest that somewhere at some time a Pope must have been heliocentric. Hence, my questions.
    Oh yeah I get it, I'm just being an even bigger pain about it.

    Plus there's that antediluvian gremlin "assumption", such as that any of us thus far knows what they are typing about at least in this particular.

    Additionally and to be quite frank, "Consider the source"....
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #11 on: September 22, 2017, 07:05:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: tornpage on September 22, 2017, 04:26:54 PM
    Yeah, I thought about this, and about a week or so ago I asked him (or one of them) when the Church bought into heliocentrism with the same thought in mind. I got nothing near a clock or a calendar from him.
    At least you got, "16th or 17th Century?"
    Be nice to know when we had a vacant seat due to a heretic on it before Pius XII, so as to avoid potential hell traps for the unwary.
    The Church rejected geocentrism at some point after censuring Galileo. This is a fact.
    The Church accepts and teaches heliocentrism to this very day. Every Catholic school or university I've ever seen teaches heliocentrism. This is not a great mystery. Precisely when did it get underway? I do not know the date. 
    I do not think it means there is no Pope. I'm not sedevacantist.
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #12 on: September 22, 2017, 07:11:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: tornpage on September 22, 2017, 04:26:54 PM

    Be nice to know when we had a vacant seat due to a heretic on it before Pius XII, so as to avoid potential hell traps for the unwary.
    Sep. 11, 1822
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    Google is your friend.
    https://www.wired.com/2008/09/sept-11-1822-church-admits-its-not-all-about-us-2/

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    1822: The College of Cardinals finally caves in to the hard facts of science, saying that the "publication of works treating of the motion of the Earth and the stability of the sun, in accordance with the opinion of modern astronomers, is permitted."


    It represented a major shift in dogma for the Catholic Church, a concession that the Earth, in fact, might revolve around the sun. Unfortunately, it came 189 years too late to do Galileo Galilei any good.
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #13 on: September 22, 2017, 07:17:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 07:05:42 PM
    The Church rejected geocentrism at some point after censuring Galileo. This is a fact.

    A fact that TP is strangely unable to verify with...facts.

    The Church accepts and teaches heliocentrism to this very day.

    Dare we again ask?

    Every Catholic school or university I've ever seen teaches heliocentrism.

    Ah, we may have discovered the disconnect. "Catholic" schools have fag fests and Jєω faculty, so why not?

     This is not a great mystery. Precisely when did it get underway? I do not know the date.

    Transl. "Someone said that someone said that someone with a degree and maybe tenure in "gender studies" said...

    I do not think it means there is no Pope. I'm not sedevacantist.

    Thank you for reminding me to be more grateful for being one.
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #14 on: September 22, 2017, 07:20:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradplorable on September 22, 2017, 07:11:17 PM
    Sep. 11, 1822
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    Google is your friend.
    https://www.wired.com/2008/09/sept-11-1822-church-admits-its-not-all-about-us-2/
    More Ibranyiesque rubbish.

    You don't even remotely resemble a Catholic.

    Jєωgle / Goolag is not your friend, and neither is reason at this stage.
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