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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
« Reply #105 on: July 10, 2019, 01:25:26 PM »
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  • There are many problems with Geocentrism, however, the most basic problem
    does not require any mathematics or telescopes.  That is the problem of the
    four seasons.

    I don't see this as an issue at all.  Motion is relative.  If the earth can move in relation to the universe, then the universe can move in relation to the earth.  As even modern non-geocentrist physicists admit, neither of these can be considered more or less right than the other.


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #106 on: July 10, 2019, 01:32:06 PM »
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  • Things can go faster than light if space itself is bent. The majority cosmology has the universe expanding, carrying galaxies with it, so at some distance (the Hubble radius, about 14 billion light years) galaxies are moving away at faster than the speed of light.

    Perhaps.  In that event, there could be folds in space also on the outer edges of the solar system.  If earth is the center, then the father out the universe's rotation goes, the more space gets bent and folded.  It also could be that light changes speeds depending on how far away it is from this central fulcrum.  I think that it's mere supposition that the speed of light is some universal/absolute constant.  What's to prevent the speed of light from moving faster than the "speed of light" at those same outer edges of the universe, if these objects themselves are moving faster than the speed of light?

    Movement through space is interesting.  Purportedly we on the earth are hurtling through space at over 500,000 MPH ... at least within the framework of the galaxy.  I'm not sure I buy that at all, and the Flat Earth folks make a lot of interesting points in this regard.

    Early cosmologists envisioned the solar system as involving these "spokes" that reach out and tether the planets to the central body.  And physicists STILL HAVE NO CLUE about how gravity can "act at a distance".  It's an unsolved mystery of science.  How can the mass of one body tug on the mass of another body without some medium of connectivity?


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #107 on: July 10, 2019, 01:51:11 PM »
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    Have you ever seen or heard about Foucault pendulum? It 's a very simple experiment for evidence of earth's rotation.
     
     Yes, actually many on CathInfo, and perhaps everyone following this thread, have head about the infamous Foucault Pendulum.  Here is a good article for your viewing edification: https://savageplane.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/is-foucaults-fraudulent-pendulum-a-religious-tool/  

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #108 on: July 10, 2019, 01:55:12 PM »
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  • I don't see this as an issue at all.  Motion is relative.  If the earth can move in relation to the universe, then the universe can move in relation to the earth.  As even modern non-geocentrist physicists admit, neither of these can be considered more or less right than the other.
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    Answer: It's a lot easier for the Earth to orbit the Sun with a constant axial tilt (with Polaris always over the North pole),
    than it is for the WHOLE universe to move Northward 74,000,000 miles and six months later to move Southward.
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    If you don't favor the easier more logical explanation, then anything can do anything at any time and logic and math
    are useless.  Common sense is also useless.
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    Do you have any idea how much energy it would take to move the whole universe 74,000,000 miles two times a year?
    And what force is doing that ?   Another magical unknown, unexplainable force ? 
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    Oh heck, I guess fire can be water and the sky can be inside the Earth and what we observe is useless.
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    Probably when you jump off the high dive, it's the Earth that goes up to meet you, because you are standing still
    in the air.  We just cannot know anything.


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #109 on: July 10, 2019, 02:12:46 PM »
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  • And physicists STILL HAVE NO CLUE about how gravity can "act at a distance".  It's an unsolved mystery of science.  How can the mass of one body tug on the mass of another body without some medium of connectivity?
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    It's called gravitational force.  We can measure it with scales.  We can observe it with telescopes. 
    Watch the Moon go around the Earth.  If we can observe it, then it's happening.  We can even
    calculate the universal gravitational constant that applies to all bodies in the universe.
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    We also don't understand how God created the universe from nothing, but we can see it.
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    Do Geocentrists say that the universe does not exist because we don't understand how it
    could be created from nothing ?  No, but they do that with gravity.


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #110 on: July 10, 2019, 02:51:19 PM »
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  •  Yes, actually many on CathInfo, and perhaps everyone following this thread, have head about the infamous Foucault Pendulum.  Here is a good article for your viewing edification: https://savageplane.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/is-foucaults-fraudulent-pendulum-a-religious-tool/  
    You can actually build a smaller version of the pendulum yourself with minor twicks and see the results by yourself. You will find them in science project webpages. 

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #111 on: July 10, 2019, 03:55:08 PM »
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  • Yes, actually many on CathInfo, and perhaps everyone following this thread, have head about the infamous Foucault Pendulum.  Here is a good article for your viewing edification: https://savageplane.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/is-foucaults-fraudulent-pendulum-a-religious-tool/  
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    And here is the sum total of the scientific evidence given on that web page:
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    "The Foucault pendulum is a piece of scientific apparatus specifically designed
    and built to deceive and mislead. It is literally a “humbug” – a sham, a fake, a
    fraud, an artifice, a pretence, a hoax – and I believe it should be exposed as such."


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #112 on: July 10, 2019, 04:55:27 PM »
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    It's called gravitational force.  We can measure it with scales.  We can observe it with telescopes.  
    Watch the Moon go around the Earth.  If we can observe it, then it's happening.  We can even
    calculate the universal gravitational constant that applies to all bodies in the universe.
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    We also don't understand how God created the universe from nothing, but we can see it.
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    Do Geocentrists say that the universe does not exist because we don't understand how it
    could be created from nothing ?  No, but they do that with gravity.

    Sorry, but if you can't explain how or why something works, then you cannot predict how it will work in all situations and in different circuмstances.  SOMETHING seems to be happening, and this something can be measured.  But we don't know WHAT is happening and whether it would measure the same in every context.  Scientists themselves admit that they cannot explain how gravity can act at a distance.  If that's the case, then we don't even know if it's gravity, per se, that's keeping the planets in their orbits or some other force.  Science is nothing but a circular set of assumptions and unproven premises.


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #113 on: July 10, 2019, 05:16:40 PM »
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  • Sorry, but if you can't explain how or why something works, then you cannot predict how it will work in all situations and in different circuмstances.  SOMETHING seems to be happening, and this something can be measured.  But we don't know WHAT is happening and whether it would measure the same in every context.  Scientists themselves admit that they cannot explain how gravity can act at a distance.  If that's the case, then we don't even know if it's gravity, per se, that's keeping the planets in their orbits or some other force.  Science is nothing but a circular set of assumptions and unproven premises.
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    Not true.  We can measure the gravity that keeps planets in their orbits so accurately, the we have established a
    universal gravitational constant, which applies to other solar systems even.
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    You have a problem with gravity which accurately explains the orbits of the planets, but you don't have a problem
    with Neptune going faster than the speed of light. And the Andromeda galaxy going 6,000,000 times the speed of
    light?  I think you have a screw loose in your head, sorry, but I don't know how else to express this.
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    How many objects have we been able to measure going faster than the speed of light ?
    So until you find one, just one, I'm going to use gravity to explain Heliocentrism, while
    you try to find that object to explain Geocentrism.  
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    And while you're looking for the object going faster than the speed of light, please find
    one planet, just one, whose orbit cannot be explained by gravity.
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    So it is a huge number of objects that we can observe which obey the laws of gravity
    and NONE that go faster than the speed of light.  And you still believe in Geocentrism ?


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #114 on: July 10, 2019, 05:46:07 PM »
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  • Sorry, but if you can't explain how or why something works, then you cannot predict how it will work in all situations and in different circuмstances.  SOMETHING seems to be happening, and this something can be measured.  But we don't know WHAT is happening and whether it would measure the same in every context.  Scientists themselves admit that they cannot explain how gravity can act at a distance.  If that's the case, then we don't even know if it's gravity, per se, that's keeping the planets in their orbits or some other force.  Science is nothing but a circular set of assumptions and unproven premises.
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    OK, let's assume that gravity is NOT the force which keeps planets in orbit.
    How do Geocentrists explain why the Sun is orbiting the Earth and NOT
    orbiting Jupiter.  
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    What force makes the Sun orbit the Earth and not Jupiter.  And explain
    how that force works (and how you know so much more about that force
    than the force of gravity).
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    You pick apart Heliocentrism because we can't explain everything to suit
    your demands and you propose a far more idiot system, Geocentrism.
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    And, I'm still waiting for you to find a star that orbits one of its planets
    in some other solar system.  Find just one.  There are millions to choose
    from. 

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #115 on: July 10, 2019, 05:51:54 PM »
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  • How do Geocentrists explain why the Sun is orbiting the Earth and NOT
    orbiting Jupiter.  

    Because earth is at the barycenter of the universe and the only object that can be said to be still and not in motion.  Consequently, everything else is in motion relative to the earth's position.  God designed it that way.


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #116 on: July 10, 2019, 06:13:29 PM »
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    And here is the sum total of the scientific evidence given on that web page:
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    "The Foucault pendulum is a piece of scientific apparatus specifically designed
    and built to deceive and mislead. It is literally a “humbug” – a sham, a fake, a
    fraud, an artifice, a pretence, a hoax – and I believe it should be exposed as such."

    Mama mia!  Tell me it ain't so.   Apollo, do you actually believe, like so many grade schoolers and others do, that the Foucault Pendulum PROVES the Earth is spinning around on its axis?

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #117 on: July 10, 2019, 06:20:08 PM »
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  • Because earth is at the barycenter of the universe and the only object that can be said to be still and not in motion.  Consequently, everything else is in motion relative to the earth's position.  God designed it that way.
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    What is the proof for that ?  Or evidence ?
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    So the Andromeda galaxy is going around the Earth at 6,000,000 times the speed of light ?
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    The whole universe goes North in the summer and South in the winder ?
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    How to explain retrograde motion of the planets ?
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    What bodies exert enough force on our solar system to move the barycenter from the Sun
    to the Earth, 93,000,000 miles ? 
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    And that's not all the problems with this model.


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #118 on: July 10, 2019, 06:23:55 PM »
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  • Mama mia!  Tell me it ain't so.   Apollo, do you actually believe, like so many grade schoolers and others do, that the Foucault Pendulum PROVES the Earth is spinning around on its axis?
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    No, I believe that the Andromeda galaxy is going 6,000,000 times the speed of light, circling the Earth once
    every 24  hours. 
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    Sheeh, did you think I was still in grade school ?

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #119 on: July 10, 2019, 06:52:30 PM »
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  • Because earth is at the barycenter of the universe and the only object that can be said to be still and not in motion.  Consequently, everything else is in motion relative to the earth's position.  God designed it that way.
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    Now you have contradicted yourself.  You say we cannot explain how gravity works,
    therefore we cannot use it to explain the motion of the planets, Sun, or Earth.
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    Then you say the barycenter explains how the Earth can be at the center of the Universe.
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    However, to compute the barycenter, we need to use the formula for the attraction of
    one body to another (their masses), but that formula uses the idea of gravity.
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    So you say gravity cannot be used, but it must be used to compute barycenters.
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    Furthermore, there are no bodies close enough to our solar system to affect the
    barycenter of our solar system.  The nearest star, being 4.3 light years from Earth,
    could never exert any force on the barycenter.
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    The formula for the attraction of two bodies depends on the distance squared as the
    divisor.  If you square a distance of 4.3 light years as the divisor, you get a value of
    about zero, no matter what the masses are of the two bodies.  Note, 4.3 light years
    distance is 25,000,000,000,000 miles away (25 trillion miles).
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    So, this imaginary barycenter idea cannot work.  
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    Question.  Why did God want to make the Earth the center of the Universe?
    And where is the evidence for that ?