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Offline apollo

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Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2019, 10:25:16 AM »
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  • Have the Dimond Boys ever issued a public declaration as to their own infallibility or lack thereof?
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    Yes, but not directly.  They act and sound like they are infallible and that is their greatest weakness.
    They think they have the authority to declare a pope a formal heretic.  They don't. 
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    They do give a huge amount of evidence in their article on Geocentrism, which is not their opinion.
    So whether they are infallible is irrelevant on this subject.

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #16 on: July 08, 2019, 10:34:36 AM »
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    They do give a huge amount of evidence in their article on Geocentrism, which is not their opinion.
    So whether they are infallible is irrelevant on this subject.
    Thanks!  It is good to remind people that they are NOT infallible, although it would be best if they would remind people directly of this fact and do it regularly in an emphatic way.  Evidence, of course, may or may  not be in accord with proof.  That is to say, they are obviously not always one and the same.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #17 on: July 08, 2019, 10:54:47 AM »
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  • None of the Geocentrists know what gravity is or how it works, even though they are
    experiencing it 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for as long as they live.

    We can simply measure a phenomenon that happens predictably given a specific context.  Yet gravity doesn't seem to apply at the atomic level.  Best guess is that it's related to electro-magnetism.  Consequently, other measurable factors other than mass (which is all the gravity considers) could be responsible for anchoring bodies together, and so, depending on what that is, it could theoretically be possible for a smaller (aka less massive) body to anchor a larger one.  So the argument from gravity is inconclusive.

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #18 on: July 08, 2019, 11:00:48 AM »
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  • What's more important with gravity, apollo, is that you seem to forget that it is not the body/mass of the sun which anchors the earth to it ... but, rather, the CENTER OF MASS OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM that serves as the frame of reference.  Consequently, it's the center of mass of the entire solar system around which all the bodies in the solar system ... INCLUDING THE SUN ITSELF ... are said to revolve.  This is usually located somewhere within the physical boundaries of the sun itself, but not always, and were you to introduce another massive planet or two into the system, the center of gravity would not be located within the sun.

    Now expand out to the galaxy and to the universal.  There's only ONE SINGLE POINT, from the perspective of gravity, in the entire universe that could be said to be stationary, and that would be the center of mass of the entire universe.  Now, who knows where that happens to be physically, but no one can prove that it does not happen to be located within the physical confines of earth.

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #19 on: July 08, 2019, 11:20:22 AM »
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  • https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/barycenter/en/

    Interestingly, the animated diagram of the solar system's rotation taking into account the barycenter happens to look a LOT like the epicycles of the Ptolemaic system.


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #20 on: July 08, 2019, 11:45:32 AM »
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  • We can simply measure a phenomenon that happens predictably given a specific context.  Yet gravity doesn't seem to apply at the atomic level.  Best guess is that it's related to electro-magnetism.  Consequently, other measurable factors other than mass (which is all the gravity considers) could be responsible for anchoring bodies together, and so, depending on what that is, it could theoretically be possible for a smaller (aka less massive) body to anchor a larger one.  So the argument from gravity is inconclusive.
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    Then tell me which larger body in the universe orbits around a smaller body. 
    And also tell me which measurable force is causing that. 

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #21 on: July 08, 2019, 11:47:43 AM »
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  • https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/barycenter/en/

    Interestingly, the animated diagram of the solar system's rotation taking into account the barycenter happens to look a LOT like the epicycles of the Ptolemaic system.
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    This is just a small detail about where the center is.  In the case of our solar system, the center is close to the center of the Sun.
    And this is proof for Heliocentrism.
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    The epicycles of the Ptolemaic system cannot be explained by any known force that can be measured and it took 13 pages of formulas
    to explain the mathematics of it.
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    And still you have no explanation for Stellar Parallax.  And no reasonable explanation for the seasons, with the Geocentric model.
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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #22 on: July 08, 2019, 11:49:54 AM »
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  • Call it what you want, but it does NOT prove heliocentrism.


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #23 on: July 08, 2019, 11:49:58 AM »
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    Then tell me which larger body in the universe orbits around a smaller body.  
    And also tell me which measurable force is causing that.

    See my next post.  It is not true that the earth orbits around the sun.  Instead, the earth orbits around the center of mass of the solar system ... as does the sun itself.  Expand it outward to the galaxy and then the universe, and, from the perspective of gravity, there's only one point in the universe that could be said to be stationary, and that would be the center of mass (barycenter) of the entire universe.  Prove to me that that barycenter of the universe is not within the earth, or else the argument from gravity is entirely inconclusive.

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #24 on: July 08, 2019, 11:52:29 AM »
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    This is just a small detail about where the center is.  In the case of our solar system, the center is close to the center of the Sun.
    And this is proof for Heliocentrism.

    Utter nonsense.  Even the sun itself revolves around the CENTER OF MASS OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM.  And that's merely in the context of the solar system.  You're showing now the desperation of someone who has bad will and is not seeking the truth.

    Even modern science is not heliocentric.

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #25 on: July 08, 2019, 11:54:56 AM »
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  • Utter nonsense.  Even the sun itself revolves around the CENTER OF MASS OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM.  And that's merely in the context of the solar system.  You're showing now the desperation of someone who has bad will and is not seeking the truth.

    Even modern science is not heliocentric.

    are you proposing this? 


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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #26 on: July 08, 2019, 11:57:13 AM »
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  • NASA and Newtonian Physics are BARYCENTRISTS ...

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    Our entire solar system also has a barycenter. The sun, Earth, and all of the planets in the solar system orbit around this barycenter. It is the center of mass of every object in the solar system combined.


    Our solar system’s barycenter constantly changes position. Its position depends on where the planets are in their orbits. The solar system's barycenter can range from being near the center of the sun to being outside the surface of the sun. As the sun orbits this moving barycenter, it wobbles around.

    So the sun too ORBITS the BARYCENTER.  It's the BARYCENTER that is at the center of the solar system ... but only if viewed as a closed system (which it is most certainly not).

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #27 on: July 08, 2019, 11:58:37 AM »
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  • are you proposing this?

    I think so ... if I understand correctly what's it's trying to depic.

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #28 on: July 08, 2019, 12:00:40 PM »
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  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tychonic_system

    https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-a-geocentrism-model-could-be-true-and-the-Earth-is-the-centre-of-the-universe

    Take a read for yourself, it's interesting stuff. Main principle is related to what you were saying. The planets orbit the Sun(or rather, its barycentre) as the Sun is the greatest mass in their vicinity, but the Sun orbits the Earth as the Earth is the centre of the universe. Apparently the maths checks out, although I haven't read enough into it or made any attempt to verify yet. 

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    Re: Amazing Scientific Evidence for God
    « Reply #29 on: July 08, 2019, 12:08:45 PM »
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  • Utter nonsense.  Even the sun itself revolves around the CENTER OF MASS OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM.  And that's merely in the context of the solar system.  You're showing now the desperation of someone who has bad will and is not seeking the truth.

    Even modern science is not heliocentric.
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    https://socratic.org/questions/where-is-the-center-of-mass-of-the-solar-system
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    http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/centermass.htm
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    See above web pages to learn that the center of the solar system is close to the
    center of the Sun.  
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    And stop with the ad hominem attack.  it proves nothing.
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    Are you still looking for a larger body that orbits a smaller body in the universe ?
    You'll be looking for the rest of your life.  
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    The barycenter is negligible  when talking about the Earth-Sun relationship.  
    The Sun's mass is 333,000 times the mass of the Earth.