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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Akita
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2023, 04:20:32 PM »
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    Both Garabandal and Akita mention only the physical chastisements with a token mention of "bishops fighting bishops"
    Good point.  

    Offline EdgarLovesMary

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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #16 on: October 10, 2023, 04:43:30 PM »
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  • 5. Akita, like the other Marian shrines has been taken over by Freemasons. 


    France & Lourdes are examples. 

    Around 2008, the Freemasons tore down Akita’s original shrine and chapel and erected what looks like a Bhuddist temple. 

    That the Freemasons find it necessary to occupy a Marian shrine, tells me they are trying to suppress a true Marian apparition site.

    This happened in Conyers, Ga., too...

    The visionary remained obedient to ecclesial authorities and died destitute after a decade of suffering. She also said that Mary told her that "she prefers tradition" and would personally drive 40 miles each way to get to the Latin Mass.  

    Conyers is an interesting one. No one talks much about it anymore. Those who do are generally dismissive... Briefly suppressed by a modernist young bishop, who got cancer and died shortly after doing so. His successor lifted the suppression, but never formally investigated the apparations (this remains the case)...  Lots of overlap with Fatima & Akita in the messages... I'm fairly certain Conyers remains the largest attended supposed apparition site of the past 30 years in the U.S... You had 100k+ pilgrims showing up at a time in the mid/late 1990s, with lots of media coverage.  


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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #17 on: October 10, 2023, 05:11:05 PM »
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  • The correct Catholic position -- which is how the Church actually handles these things -- is to assume a claim is false unless it can be proved authentic. Apparitions do not receive Church approval unless the seer can prove it's authentic, usually by a miracle. And Catholics are not supposed to accept apparitions as true without Church approval.

    Since there is no one to approve private apparitions since Vatican 2, no apparitions since then have Church approval and Catholics should not accept any of them.

    God would not send us miraculous messages from heaven if He knew we would not be able to accept them.

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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #18 on: October 10, 2023, 05:15:43 PM »
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  • Everything in the above message corresponds with Fatima, the 3 Days of Darkness, the prophecy of the comet (i.e. fire from the sky), and Alois Irhlmeir.  When people who have read Fatima's 3rd Secret are asked about it's contents, they always say, "Yes, it talks about physical chastisements, but that is a secondary concern.  It's worse that this."  Which implies that the spiritual chastisement is the main point.  I don't see Akita contradicting this, or minimizing the spiritual calamities, but describing the "end" of these chastisements (i.e. 3 days of darkness, the comet, and 3/4 of humanity dead).
    Yes. I remember Father (Bishop) Malalchi Martin saying to Art Bell  -- words to the effect: All the physical destruction is nothing compared to the spiritual part. People will be lined up to get to confession.
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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #19 on: October 10, 2023, 05:16:46 PM »
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  • The correct Catholic position -- which is how the Church actually handles these things -- is to assume a claim is false unless it can be proved authentic. Apparitions do not receive Church approval unless the seer can prove it's authentic, usually by a miracle. And Catholics are not supposed to accept apparitions as true without Church approval.

    Since there is no one to approve private apparitions since Vatican 2, no apparitions since then have Church approval and Catholics should not accept any of them.

    God would not send us miraculous messages from heaven if He knew we would not be able to accept them.
    Only if God is a sede.
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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #20 on: October 10, 2023, 05:21:34 PM »
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  • This happened in Conyers, Ga., too...

    The visionary remained obedient to ecclesial authorities and died destitute after a decade of suffering. She also said that Mary told her that "she prefers tradition" and would personally drive 40 miles each way to get to the Latin Mass. 

    Conyers is an interesting one. No one talks much about it anymore. Those who do are generally dismissive... Briefly suppressed by a modernist young bishop, who got cancer and died shortly after doing so. His successor lifted the suppression, but never formally investigated the apparations (this remains the case)...  Lots of overlap with Fatima & Akita in the messages... I'm fairly certain Conyers remains the largest attended supposed apparition site of the past 30 years in the U.S... You had 100k+ pilgrims showing up at a time in the mid/late 1990s, with lots of media coverage. 

    There's an apparition from Banneaux, Belgium approved in 1949 "Our Lady of the Poor".  Hardly anyone has heard of it.  The visionary left her husband and lived with another man for years. She rarely practiced any religion but would occasionally attend a Novus Ordo mass.  Does that sound like someone who was visited by The Mother of God a dozen times?

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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #21 on: October 10, 2023, 05:58:42 PM »
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  • Only if God is a sede.

    That's dumb.  As if ... ANY Traditional Catholic accepts the authority of the Conciliars.

    I'll mail you a state of St. John Paul II next, and you'd better get back to the Novus Ordo Mass.  You don't accept the "authority of the Church" on those matters, but then consider them reliable of much lesser matters?

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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #22 on: October 10, 2023, 06:33:00 PM »
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  • There's an apparition from Banneaux, Belgium approved in 1949 "Our Lady of the Poor".  Hardly anyone has heard of it.  The visionary left her husband and lived with another man for years. She rarely practiced any religion but would occasionally attend a Novus Ordo mass.  Does that sound like someone who was visited by The Mother of God a dozen times?
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    Oh wow, I had never heard of this. According to Wikipedia, the apparition was approved by the local bishop but not by the Holy See. The whole story is very strange.


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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #23 on: October 10, 2023, 09:41:24 PM »
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  • .

    Oh wow, I had never heard of this. According to Wikipedia, the apparition was approved by the local bishop but not by the Holy See. The whole story is very strange.

    Pope John Paul II visited the site in Belgium. Our Lady actually appeared to the seer 8 times over a few months when she was just a girl. Lots of lasting and unexpected conversions and miracles closely afterward, hence the (Pre-Vatican II) ecclesial approval. Apparently, the man the visionary later lived with was a cripple she cared for... Still, it's a tricky and interesting one, too. I certainly don't doubt that the evil one tries his best to pry away privileged souls and/or ruin their names... Also saw reports that there were secrets involved that the seer never revealed, a la St. Bernadette. She lived into the 21st century...  

    I happen to know a little bit about it because some Benedictines built a second copycat shrine to Our Lady of the Poor about 40 minutes outside of Chattanooga on a rural hilltop. I just happened to pay a visit there yesterday with my family on the way home from a Columbus Day Weekend getaway. It's a pretty little spot. We were the only folks there.   

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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #24 on: October 11, 2023, 11:05:51 AM »
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  • That's dumb.  As if ... ANY Traditional Catholic accepts the authority of the Conciliars.

    I'll mail you a state of St. John Paul II next, and you'd better get back to the Novus Ordo Mass.  You don't accept the "authority of the Church" on those matters, but then consider them reliable of much lesser matters?
    Please don't miss my point, in which I was responding to someone who said "God would not send us miraculous messages from heaven if He knew we would not be able to accept them."

    God is not bound by our limited human perspective.

    God is "the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #25 on: October 13, 2023, 07:04:49 PM »
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  • Like Conyers Georgia, Veronica Leuken, Our Lady of the Roses , Bayside NY, also had 1000’s show up from the 70’s all the way through the 90’s.  Much of the messages were very convincing and TRUE…especially about corruption and satanism in the highest echelons of the Church…the demand to return the “The Mass of All Ages” and Communion in the hand is an abomination….and yet by the 2000’s after Veronica’s death, the devotees have dwindled to barely 100’s.  The “apostolate” still survives as “St Michael’s World Apostolate” SMWA but the point I’m making is that number of participants and even some undeniable truths do not make an apparition legit!  They say that during the Lourdes apparitions there were 81 other people who reported seeing Our Lady.


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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #26 on: October 13, 2023, 10:21:23 PM »
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  • I agree that Akita is nonsense.  I think the Dimond Brothers gave the best reason for the rationale behind these, assuming they're real (i.e. of diabolical agency) and not derivative of psychological issues or fraud on the part of the "seer".  As Padre Pio told Father Amorth, and as others who read the Third Secret have indicated, it's about a spiritual chastisement, the apostasy, the anti-Church, and not about physical chastisements (Padre Pio explicitly said this to Father Amorth).

    But the emphasis of Garabandal and Akita is on some kind of physical calamities, with Akita's "fire from heaven".  This is a distraction from the actual message, which indicates that the chastisement is well under way, since about 1960.  So while everyone is looking up to the skies, they're not seeing what's right under their noses.  Garabandal (clearly diabolical) came right after the Third Secret was to be revealed, Akita a little later, after the NOM was released.  Akita also speaks about "bishops vs. bishops", as if to characterize the strife as something internal within the Church rather than that nearly all the bishops would become apostates.



    Fatima wasn't about physical chastisements ?  :popcorn:


    A Night Illumined by an Unknown Light | The Fatima Center

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #27 on: October 14, 2023, 12:59:08 PM »
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  • Fatima was about the Five First Saturdays, the Brown Scapulat and saying our Daily Rosary.


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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #28 on: February 14, 2024, 09:00:48 PM »
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  • Like Conyers Georgia, Veronica Leuken, Our Lady of the Roses , Bayside NY, also had 1000’s show up from the 70’s all the way through the 90’s.  Much of the messages were very convincing and TRUE…especially about corruption and satanism in the highest echelons of the Church…the demand to return the “The Mass of All Ages” and Communion in the hand is an abomination….and yet by the 2000’s after Veronica’s death, the devotees have dwindled to barely 100’s.  The “apostolate” still survives as “St Michael’s World Apostolate” SMWA but the point I’m making is that number of participants and even some undeniable truths do not make an apparition legit!  They say that during the Lourdes apparitions there were 81 other people who reported seeing Our Lady.

    Completely agree with your point.

    Just chiming to note that Veronica Leuken's apparitions were condemned by the local bishop and she was publicly disobedient to ecclesiastical authorities. 

    Neither was the case for Nancy Fowler (the Conyers visionary). Nancy was 100% obedient and suffered intensely.

    This doesn't prove credibilty, of course. But it is evidence that would/will be considered if/when there is a formal investigation. 

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    Re: Akita
    « Reply #29 on: February 14, 2024, 09:48:54 PM »
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  • Completely agree with your point.

    Just chiming to note that Veronica Leuken's apparitions were condemned by the local bishop and she was publicly disobedient to ecclesiastical authorities.

    Neither was the case for Nancy Fowler (the Conyers visionary). Nancy was 100% obedient and suffered intensely.

    This doesn't prove credibilty, of course. But it is evidence that would/will be considered if/when there is a formal investigation.
    The reason Leuken was “disobedient” was because she was condemned without due process.  No one from the diocese ever interviewed he or her staff.  She also had plenty of priests and even a few bishop, although not from her diocese who supported her.  Bayside Heights was very politically connected and apparitions were very disruptive of the neighborhood.  Because of the lack of proper due process and the current state of the social political climate…and simply because Leuken’s vision were continuing…so did she.  With that said, many approved visionaries had been told to stop by their local ordinances…to the point that you could call them “disobedient” and yet those visions were eventually approved.