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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Akita
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2023, 02:18:26 PM »
Everything in the above message corresponds with Fatima, the 3 Days of Darkness, the prophecy of the comet (i.e. fire from the sky), and Alois Irhlmeir.  When people who have read Fatima's 3rd Secret are asked about it's contents, they always say, "Yes, it talks about physical chastisements, but that is a secondary concern.  It's worse that this."  Which implies that the spiritual chastisement is the main point.  I don't see Akita contradicting this, or minimizing the spiritual calamities, but describing the "end" of these chastisements (i.e. 3 days of darkness, the comet, and 3/4 of humanity dead).
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Akita
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2023, 03:19:10 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 10, 2023, 02:18:26 PM
Everything in the above message corresponds with Fatima, the 3 Days of Darkness, the prophecy of the comet (i.e. fire from the sky), and Alois Irhlmeir.  When people who have read Fatima's 3rd Secret are asked about it's contents, they always say, "Yes, it talks about physical chastisements, but that is a secondary concern.  It's worse that this."  Which implies that the spiritual chastisement is the main point.  I don't see Akita contradicting this, or minimizing the spiritual calamities, but describing the "end" of these chastisements (i.e. 3 days of darkness, the comet, and 3/4 of humanity dead).

I have a problem with JUST mentioning the physical chastisements.  It takes the eye off the ball, as it were, as everyone looks to the skies for the chastisement when it's right under our noses.  Third Secret of Fatima was without any shadow of a doubt about Vatican II, the NOM, and the V2 papal claimants.  Both Garabandal and Akita mention only the physical chastisements with a token mention of "bishops fighting bishops", making it seem like the Conciliar Church is legit but that it's just a matter of bishops disagreeing amongst themselves.
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2023, 03:21:11 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on October 10, 2023, 12:02:02 PM
One of the main OP arguments is that the message of Fatima will not be a physical, but rather a spiritual chastisement.

But this is not true, since we all know Our Lady warned that if men did not come back to God, that under the reign of Pope Pius XI, a Second World War would break out.

In the text of the 3rd Secret of Fatima, approved by Cardinal Ottavianni and Father Luigi Villa, other physical chastisements were warned of (See below).

Therefore Mr. Pfeiffer’s premise to criticize the message of Our Lady of Akita is based on incorrect facts.


The Third Secret of Fatima

A great chastisement will fall on the entire human race; not today as yet, not tomorrow, but in the second half of the Twentieth Century.

No longer does order reign anywhere and Satan will reign over the highest places directing the course of events. He (Satan) really will succeed in infiltrating to the top of the Church.

Also for the Church a time of Her greatest trials will come. Cardinals will oppose Cardinals; Bishops will oppose Bishops and Satan will march amid their ranks, and in Rome there will be changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall will never rise again.

The Church will be darkened and the world deranged by terror.
A great war will break out within the second half of the Twentieth Century. Fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the water of the oceans will become vapors and the foam will rise up flooding and sinking everything.

Millions and millions of people will die by the hour and the survivors will envy the dead.

Death will reign everywhere for the errors committed by the foolish and by the partisans of Satan, who, then and only then, will reign over the world.

At last, those who will survive all of these events will once more proclaim God and His Glory and serve Him like before, when the world was not so corrupted.

This version of the Third Secret is bunk ... as you need only look at the paragraph about the great war in the second half of the Twentieth Century where fire and smoke fall from heaven and the oceans become vapors and foam will flood and sink everything.  Never happened.
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Offline Angelus

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2023, 03:57:18 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 10, 2023, 03:21:11 PM
This version of the Third Secret is bunk ... as you need only look at the paragraph about the great war in the second half of the Twentieth Century where fire and smoke fall from heaven and the oceans become vapors and foam will flood and sink everything.  Never happened.

While I don't believe that the text provided is the "real" Third Secret, its contents are consistent with end time prophecies in general.

The "great war" is the war of the true Church vs. the Antichurch that broke out after Vatican II ("in the second half of the twentieth century"). The "fire and smoke" and "vapors and foam" are figures of spiritual chastisements caused by lack of the Sacraments and increased attacks by Satan during that period. The people who will "die by the hour" are those who fall into mortal sin, spiritual death.

The apocalyptic literary style uses poetic, figurative descriptions to veil the exact nature of the events. The purpose of this use of figurative language is described by Jesus in Matthew 13:

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10 And his disciples came and said to him: Why speakest thou to them in parables? 11 Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given.  12 For he that hath, to him shall be given, and he shall abound: but he that hath not, from him shall be taken away that also which he hath.  13 Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.  14 And the prophecy of Isaias is fulfilled in them, who saith: By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand: and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive.  15 For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, because they see, and your ears, because they hear.  17 For, amen, I say to you, many prophets and just men have desired to see the things that you see, and have not seen them, and to hear the things that you hear and have not heard them.


We must not read these prophetic texts literally or with an eye to the material things. They primarily describe spiritual realities and events related to the life of the soul.

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Offline Yeti

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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2023, 04:18:54 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 10, 2023, 03:19:10 PM
I have a problem with JUST mentioning the physical chastisements.  It takes the eye off the ball, as it were, as everyone looks to the skies for the chastisement when it's right under our noses.  Third Secret of Fatima was without any shadow of a doubt about Vatican II, the NOM, and the V2 papal claimants.  Both Garabandal and Akita mention only the physical chastisements with a token mention of "bishops fighting bishops", making it seem like the Conciliar Church is legit but that it's just a matter of bishops disagreeing amongst themselves.
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Yes, I read through that and very little of it was actually fulfilled. There was no war in the second half of the 20th century. And the text doesn't come anywhere near accurately describing the Vatican 2 crisis.
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