Author Topic: Akita (Read 5965 times)

Always · « **on:** September 29, 2023, 09:41:23 AM »

The following take on Akita was posted on the Internet:

We should avoid anything connected with the supposed “miracles” which are claimed to have occurred at a novus ordo convent in Akita, Japan, during the 1970s. These supposed “miracles” include a statue which dripped “tears” and “blood” and also some supposed supernatural “locutions”.
We hold that there are good reasons to consider that these supposed “locutions” and “miracles” are false. Further, all of the Akita events are well within the power and abilities of Satan.
1. These events were centered on a naturalistic statue carved by a non-Catholic man. See the picture below. This statue is an unfitting subject of anything which is really connected to God and His Mother!
2. Notice that the supposed “Blessed Virgin” is not standing at the foot of the Cross of her Son, as Catholic Tradition depicts her. Instead, she is in front of, and is blocking, the sight of the cross and of her Son.

3. The supposed “miracles and locutions” did not bring the “seer” to Catholic Tradition. The “seer” and the other novus ordo nuns stayed in the evil new conciliar church. Nor have we any indication that anyone else has come to Catholic Tradition through these events at Akita.
4. The supposed “visits” of this “apparition” were so many – 101 of them! – compared to the relatively small number of apparitions which occurred in authentic, approved apparitions.
5. The supposed “locutions” contained a generic request from the supposedly “heavenly” personage to pray for the pope. But there was absolutely nothing about the pope and hierarchy being utterly unfaithful stewards of Christ. We don’t believe that a real locution from Heaven would avoid warning about and commenting on the worst popes in history!
6. There was no condemnation of Vatican II or the new mass or the other conciliar evils that are afflicting the Church’s human element. We don’t believe that the worst and most destructive events in at least 500 years (if not in the whole history of the Church) would pass in silence, especially when the supposed “seer” is part of that new church.
7. Saburo Wakasa, the man who carved the statue, was not only non-Catholic when he carved the statue but he remained a non-Catholic.
Conclusion: Stay away from the Akita events which are likely from Satan!

The “new” SSPX promotes these “wonders” (which are likely from Satan) and leads an annual “pilgrimage” to Akita for its undiscerning followers.
The liberalizing Bishop Williamson Group likewise endorses these likely-demonic “wonders”.
These liberal groups’ promotion of these apparently-false conciliar “wonders” is a good reminder that we should stay far away from these compromise groups.

Read, e.g., this N-SSPX promotion of the Akita “wonders”: http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/join-pilgrimage-akita-and-nagasaki-12101

Read, e.g., Bishop Williamson Eleison Comments #559 (March 31, 2018), #486 (November 5, 2016), and #349 (March 22, 2014).

cebu · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2023, 01:57:50 PM »

Wow!!! What really convincing arguments!!!!!!!!!!:laugh1:

That is the font used by John Pfeiffer and it is his tone. Heaven help him.

Mr G · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2023, 02:10:31 PM »

Quote from: Always on September 29, 2023, 09:41:23 AM

The liberalizing Bishop Williamson Group likewise endorses these likely-demonic “wonders”.

Bishop Williamson does not have a "group." So, who else is the author referring to that "endorses these likely-demonic 'wonders' "?

2Vermont · « **Reply #3 on:** September 29, 2023, 02:14:04 PM »

Approved in 1973 by the Novus Ordo. 'Nuff said.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2023, 03:10:26 PM »

I agree that Akita is nonsense. I think the Dimond Brothers gave the best reason for the rationale behind these, assuming they're real (i.e. of diabolical agency) and not derivative of psychological issues or fraud on the part of the "seer". As Padre Pio told Father Amorth, and as others who read the Third Secret have indicated, it's about a spiritual chastisement, the apostasy, the anti-Church, and not about physical chastisements (Padre Pio explicitly said this to Father Amorth).

But the emphasis of Garabandal and Akita is on some kind of physical calamities, with Akita's "fire from heaven". This is a distraction from the actual message, which indicates that the chastisement is well under way, since about 1960. So while everyone is looking up to the skies, they're not seeing what's right under their noses. Garabandal (clearly diabolical) came right after the Third Secret was to be revealed, Akita a little later, after the NOM was released. Akita also speaks about "bishops vs. bishops", as if to characterize the strife as something internal within the Church rather than that nearly all the bishops would become apostates.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 29, 2023, 03:15:06 PM »

https://onepeterfive.com/chief-exorcist-father-amorth-padre-pio-knew-the-third-secret/

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“Forgive me for insisting on the Third Secret of Fatima: Did Padre Pio relate it, then, to the loss of faith within the Church?”

Fr. Gabriele furrows his brow and sticks out his chin. He seems very affected.

“Indeed,” he states, “One day Padre Pio said to me very sorrowfully: ‘You know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.’”

“Oh my God! Some kind of Antichrist! When did he prophesy this to you?” I [Zavala] ask.

“It must have been about 1960, since I was already a priest then.”

“Was that why John XXIII had such a panic about publishing the Third Secret of Fatima, so that the people wouldn’t think that he was the anti-pope or whatever it was …?”

A slight but knowing smile curls the lips of Father Amorth.

“Did Padre Pio say anything else to you about future catastrophes: earthquakes, floods, wars, epidemics, hunger …? Did he allude to the same plagues prophesied in the Holy Scriptures?” [asks Mr. Zavala]

“Nothing of the sort mattered to him, however terrifying they proved to be, except for the great apostasy within the Church. This was the issue that really tormented him and for which he prayed and offered a great part of his suffering, crucified out of love.” [says Fr. Amorth]

“The Third Secret of Fatima?”

“Exactly.”

“Is there any way to avoid something so terrible, Fr. Gabriele?”

“There is hope, but it’s useless if it’s not accompanied by works. Let us begin by consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, let us recite the Holy Rosary, let us all do prayer and penance …” [emphasis added]

Incredulous · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2023, 08:56:50 PM »

I reviewed Mr. Pfeiffer’s charges and I’m not convinced he's right.

1. Bp. Ito was validly ordained in the old Roman Catholic rite.

2. Yes, the Akita message was horrific, just like Fatima's message was.

3. Akita is a site of Japanese martyr’s blood 🩸 from 500 years ago.

4. Since Japan is so traditional and slow to implement Western religious novelties, the Novus ordo Missea was barely implemented in Japan in 1973.

5. Akita, like the other Marian shrines has been taken over by Freemasons.

France & Lourdes are examples.

Around 2008, the Freemasons tore down Akita’s original shrine and chapel and erected what looks like a Bhuddist temple.

That the Freemasons find it necessary to occupy a Marian shrine, tells me they are trying to suppress a true Marian apparition site.

Incredulous · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2023, 11:02:56 AM »

Quote from: Mr G on September 29, 2023, 02:10:31 PM

Bishop Williamson does not have a "group." So, who else is the author referring to that "endorses these likely-demonic 'wonders' "?

HE has visited the Akita shrine a few times and is usually accompanied by a handful of Asian trads.

The photos of +W’s visit, I find to be sad and at the same time heroic. Few Bishops come to this remote region of Japan to pay homage to Our Lady.

If you know anything about Japanese culture in modern times, you know as a race, they’ve become a spiritual disaster and have been the special “whipping boy” of the jews.
(e.g., Nagasaki & Fukushima).

If you find something demonic, or against Catholic Faith & morals, please post it.

Otherwise, Akita is Our Lady’s call to a lost nation…
that could have been a Catholic powerhouse based on their martyrology of 250,000 persecuted for the Faith.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2023, 12:08:57 PM »

I find the questions/concerns in the OP to be legitimate.

Incredulous · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2023, 12:02:02 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 08, 2023, 12:08:57 PM

I find the questions/concerns in the OP to be legitimate.

One of the main OP arguments is that the message of Fatima will not be a physical, but rather a spiritual chastisement.

But this is not true, since we all know Our Lady warned that if men did not come back to God, that under the reign of Pope Pius XI, a Second World War would break out.

In the text of the 3rd Secret of Fatima, approved by Cardinal Ottavianni and Father Luigi Villa, other physical chastisements were warned of (See below).

Therefore Mr. Pfeiffer’s premise to criticize the message of Our Lady of Akita is based on incorrect facts.

The Third Secret of Fatima

A great chastisement will fall on the entire human race; not today as yet, not tomorrow, but in the second half of the Twentieth Century.

No longer does order reign anywhere and Satan will reign over the highest places directing the course of events. He (Satan) really will succeed in infiltrating to the top of the Church.

Also for the Church a time of Her greatest trials will come. Cardinals will oppose Cardinals; Bishops will oppose Bishops and Satan will march amid their ranks, and in Rome there will be changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall will never rise again.

The Church will be darkened and the world deranged by terror.
A great war will break out within the second half of the Twentieth Century. Fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the water of the oceans will become vapors and the foam will rise up flooding and sinking everything.

Millions and millions of people will die by the hour and the survivors will envy the dead.

Death will reign everywhere for the errors committed by the foolish and by the partisans of Satan, who, then and only then, will reign over the world.

At last, those who will survive all of these events will once more proclaim God and His Glory and serve Him like before, when the world was not so corrupted.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2023, 02:18:26 PM »

Everything in the above message corresponds with Fatima, the 3 Days of Darkness, the prophecy of the comet (i.e. fire from the sky), and Alois Irhlmeir. When people who have read Fatima's 3rd Secret are asked about it's contents, they always say, "Yes, it talks about physical chastisements, but that is a secondary concern. It's worse that this." Which implies that the spiritual chastisement is the main point. I don't see Akita contradicting this, or minimizing the spiritual calamities, but describing the "end" of these chastisements (i.e. 3 days of darkness, the comet, and 3/4 of humanity dead).

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2023, 03:19:10 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 10, 2023, 02:18:26 PM

Everything in the above message corresponds with Fatima, the 3 Days of Darkness, the prophecy of the comet (i.e. fire from the sky), and Alois Irhlmeir. When people who have read Fatima's 3rd Secret are asked about it's contents, they always say, "Yes, it talks about physical chastisements, but that is a secondary concern. It's worse that this." Which implies that the spiritual chastisement is the main point. I don't see Akita contradicting this, or minimizing the spiritual calamities, but describing the "end" of these chastisements (i.e. 3 days of darkness, the comet, and 3/4 of humanity dead).

I have a problem with JUST mentioning the physical chastisements. It takes the eye off the ball, as it were, as everyone looks to the skies for the chastisement when it's right under our noses. Third Secret of Fatima was without any shadow of a doubt about Vatican II, the NOM, and the V2 papal claimants. Both Garabandal and Akita mention only the physical chastisements with a token mention of "bishops fighting bishops", making it seem like the Conciliar Church is legit but that it's just a matter of bishops disagreeing amongst themselves.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** October 10, 2023, 03:21:11 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on October 10, 2023, 12:02:02 PM

One of the main OP arguments is that the message of Fatima will not be a physical, but rather a spiritual chastisement.

But this is not true, since we all know Our Lady warned that if men did not come back to God, that under the reign of Pope Pius XI, a Second World War would break out.

In the text of the 3rd Secret of Fatima, approved by Cardinal Ottavianni and Father Luigi Villa, other physical chastisements were warned of (See below).

Therefore Mr. Pfeiffer’s premise to criticize the message of Our Lady of Akita is based on incorrect facts.

The Third Secret of Fatima

A great chastisement will fall on the entire human race; not today as yet, not tomorrow, but in the second half of the Twentieth Century.

No longer does order reign anywhere and Satan will reign over the highest places directing the course of events. He (Satan) really will succeed in infiltrating to the top of the Church.

Also for the Church a time of Her greatest trials will come. Cardinals will oppose Cardinals; Bishops will oppose Bishops and Satan will march amid their ranks, and in Rome there will be changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall will never rise again.

The Church will be darkened and the world deranged by terror.
A great war will break out within the second half of the Twentieth Century. Fire and smoke will fall from Heaven, the water of the oceans will become vapors and the foam will rise up flooding and sinking everything.

Millions and millions of people will die by the hour and the survivors will envy the dead.

Death will reign everywhere for the errors committed by the foolish and by the partisans of Satan, who, then and only then, will reign over the world.

At last, those who will survive all of these events will once more proclaim God and His Glory and serve Him like before, when the world was not so corrupted.

This version of the Third Secret is bunk ... as you need only look at the paragraph about the great war in the second half of the Twentieth Century where fire and smoke fall from heaven and the oceans become vapors and foam will flood and sink everything. Never happened.

Angelus · « **Reply #13 on:** October 10, 2023, 03:57:18 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 10, 2023, 03:21:11 PM

This version of the Third Secret is bunk ... as you need only look at the paragraph about the great war in the second half of the Twentieth Century where fire and smoke fall from heaven and the oceans become vapors and foam will flood and sink everything. Never happened.

While I don't believe that the text provided is the "real" Third Secret, its contents are consistent with end time prophecies in general.

The "great war" is the war of the true Church vs. the Antichurch that broke out after Vatican II ("in the second half of the twentieth century"). The "fire and smoke" and "vapors and foam" are figures of spiritual chastisements caused by lack of the Sacraments and increased attacks by Satan during that period. The people who will "die by the hour" are those who fall into mortal sin, spiritual death.

The apocalyptic literary style uses poetic, figurative descriptions to veil the exact nature of the events. The purpose of this use of figurative language is described by Jesus in Matthew 13:

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10 And his disciples came and said to him: Why speakest thou to them in parables? 11 Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given. 12 For he that hath, to him shall be given, and he shall abound: but he that hath not, from him shall be taken away that also which he hath. 13 Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And the prophecy of Isaias is fulfilled in them, who saith: By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand: and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive. 15 For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, because they see, and your ears, because they hear. 17 For, amen, I say to you, many prophets and just men have desired to see the things that you see, and have not seen them, and to hear the things that you hear and have not heard them.

We must not read these prophetic texts literally or with an eye to the material things. They primarily describe spiritual realities and events related to the life of the soul.

Yeti · « **Reply #14 on:** October 10, 2023, 04:18:54 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 10, 2023, 03:19:10 PM

I have a problem with JUST mentioning the physical chastisements. It takes the eye off the ball, as it were, as everyone looks to the skies for the chastisement when it's right under our noses. Third Secret of Fatima was without any shadow of a doubt about Vatican II, the NOM, and the V2 papal claimants. Both Garabandal and Akita mention only the physical chastisements with a token mention of "bishops fighting bishops", making it seem like the Conciliar Church is legit but that it's just a matter of bishops disagreeing amongst themselves.

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Yes, I read through that and very little of it was actually fulfilled. There was no war in the second half of the 20th century. And the text doesn't come anywhere near accurately describing the Vatican 2 crisis.

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