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Offline Mark 79

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« on: December 09, 2016, 12:37:43 PM »
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    Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
     
    On November 9, 2013, this reporter wrote an Open Letter to Pope Francis “On a Papal Commission of Inquiry into ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, Pederasty
    and La Lobby gαy in the Catholic Church”  http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/engel/131110 . A member of the pope’s Council of Eight brought the Open Letter to the attention of the pontiff, and a short time later the Vatican announced the creation of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors (and vulnerable adults).
     
    At the end of my 2013 Open Letter to Pope Francis, I wrote the following commentary regarding the use of the words “coprophilia” and “coprophagia” made in a news interview in 2012 by the then Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

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    It might surprise you Holy Father, that until quite recently, I still hoped that despite your obvious sympathy for the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Collective, you nevertheless might find some merit in the concept of a Papal Commission of Inquiry into ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and Pederasty which I have briefly described in this Open Letter.

    Unfortunately, that glimmer of hope was wiped out when by chance a close friend of mine, Marielena Stuart, a multi-lingual journalist and creator of the exquisite blog, Roman Catholic World, sent me a copy of an interview you gave to Rome reporter Andrea Tornielli of the Vatican Insider on February 2012 while you were still Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

    In an interview titled "Careerism and Vanity: Sins of the Church," Tornielli's last question to you was: Can you tell us how the Roman Curia is perceived from the outside?

    And you, Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio, replied:
     
    I see it as a body that gives service, a body that helps me and serves me. Sometimes negative news does come out, but it is often exaggerated and manipulated to spread scandal. Journalists sometimes risk becoming ill from coprophilia and thus fomenting coprophagia: which is a sin that taints all men and women, that is, the tendency to focus on the negative rather than the positive aspects. The Roman Curia has its down sides, but I think that too much emphasis is placed on its negative aspects and not enough on the holiness of the numerous consecrated and lay people who work in it.
     
    Now the term "coprophilia" which you used spontaneously in the interview refers to a sɛҳuąƖ perversion (fetish) by which a person derives sɛҳuąƖ excitement from the presence of feces. The term "coprophagia" pertains to the actual act of eating excrement. Both paraphilias are commonly associated with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior and are a regular feature of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ pornography.

    That a bishop should so glibly refer to such disgusting and perverted practices in a public interview clearly indicates to me that you are not unschooled in the ways and dangers of sɛҳuąƖ perversion, and hence, have no real need for me to instruct you on the perversity of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behaviors, nor on the grave necessity of combating the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Collective and other forces of organized perversion.

    And so it is with great sorrow that I bring this Open Letter to a close.

    Whether or not it will have any salutary effect upon your pontificate, especially as regards the establishment of a Papal Commission of Inquiry into ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and Pederasty, only time will tell. ...
     
    Sincerely in Christ,
    Randy Engel

     
     
    It was, therefore, with a great sadness and deep sense of outrage that I saw that in the December 7, 2016, interview for the Belgian Catholic weekly, Tertio , the occupant of the Chair of Peter repeated the very same terms, coprophilia and coprophagia, in almost the same context that he used them more than four years ago in reference to the Roman Curia, before he became pope.          
     
    There is no question that the pope knew exactly what he was doing when he chose to deliberately link a disgusting and perverse nomenclature to the communication issue of false news. What other objective is there in doing such a dastardly deed than to desensitize the faithful to the
    horror of sɛҳuąƖ perversion and to attempt to introduce perverted words and acts into normal Catholic parlance?  
     
    I called the pope out in 2013 in my Open Letter on this very subject, and I’m calling him out again in 2016.
     
    Francis needs to offer a prompt apology, first to God and then to the faithful Catholics everywhere, for his misuse of the Papal Office to
    promulgate such perverted and degrading terminology in a public forum. I respectfully suggest, for his eternal welfare, that the apology come sooner than later.
     
    Sincerely in Christ
    Randy Engel
    December 8, 2016
    Export, PA
    USA


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    « Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 07:42:58 PM »
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    What other objective is there in doing such a dastardly deed than to desensitize the faithful to the horror of sɛҳuąƖ perversion and to attempt to introduce perverted words and acts into normal Catholic parlance?  

    I called the pope out in 2013 in my Open Letter on this very subject, and I’m calling him out again in 2016.


    Calling him out 3 years ago did no good, therefore calling him out today won't make any difference, either.  But nonetheless, it's a noble act for Randy Engel to give it the old college try.

    There was another famous Jesuit who perpetrated the same manner of evolution in language by deliberately using words in new contexts, making them appear out of place but by repetition he effected a gradual change in the connotation of the words themselves.  His name was Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, S.J.

    So Bergoglio/Francis is following this Teilhardian method, and I'm sure he fully understands what he is doing.  He wasn't born yesterday.

    Engel's letter is dated the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.  That's the day (Dec. 8th) Vatican II was officially closed.

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    « Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 09:14:14 PM »
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  • Thanks much Mark 79 for posting this open letter.

    Catholics especially should be truly grateful for the noble efforts of Randy Engel.  (See http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/engel.)  Her work over many years has been absolutely heroic in scope.  Surely that work is not in vain nor her sufferings/sadness and sense of moral outrage due so much to wolves in sheep's clothing.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 13, 2016, 11:32:35 AM »
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  • She is right in calling him out - as in out of the Catholic Church.  And maybe into the DNC, with Podesta, Hitlery and pals - with some additions to the 'spirit cooking' recipe.

    Rest assured, no man guided and protected by the Holy Ghost would act like this.  Guided, yes, but by ...?


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    « Reply #4 on: December 13, 2016, 05:04:10 PM »
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  • Poop Francis...

    I know not funny.

    But he does set me up for a lot of stupid jokes. Is it a sin to say this about the Pope? I find myself cracking not so few jokes about him.  I guess it's my way of dealing with his bizarre and vulgar orientation. I find it difficult to pray for him personally, as I think he appears to reject the intent of any good Catholic ( or so it seems). Is it a sin for him to bring up this filth? Francis REALLY needs to resign, either formally or with God's intervention.
    As always the diabolical disorientation reigns, until she stops it. ( That's what I pray for)

    Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!


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    « Reply #5 on: December 13, 2016, 10:49:16 PM »
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  • Here is something from the Vatican regarding ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs;

    The Vatican has confirmed that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men should not be ordained to the priesthood.

     In a new instruction for the training of seminarians, entitled The Gift of the Priestly Vocation, the Congregation for the Clergy says that the Church “cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practice ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, present deep-seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, or support the so-called ‘gαy culture.’“

    The new Vatican docuмent quotes the policy set forth in a 2005 statement from the Congregation for Catholic Education: “If a candidate practices ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity or presents deep-seated ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies, his spiritual director as well as his confessor have the duty to dissuade him in conscience from proceeding towards ordination.” That 2005 directive has been widely ignored in many dioceses, with seminary directors claiming that the caution applies only to openly practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.

     The clear confirmation that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs should not be ordained to the priesthood comes in a sweeping docuмent that sets new standards for the training of priests throughout the world. In releasing the docuмent, which carried the approval of Pope Francis, the Congregation for the Clergy explains that the last directive governing priestly formation was released in 1970 (and later amended in 1985), and more recent papal teachings called for a new set of standards. This new docuмent constitutes a model for priestly formation—a Ratio Fundamentalis Institutionis Sacerdotalis—and the Congregation for the Clergy instructs the episcopal conference of each country to prepare its own new local standards based on this Ratio Fundamentalis.

     The Vatican guidelines emphasize the need for thorough intellectual training for seminarians, and also a strong spiritual formation. The docuмent stresses the importance of training young men to dedicate themselves to Christ and the Church. “Priestly ordination requires, in the one who receives it, a complete giving of himself for the service of the People of God, as an image of Christ the spouse,” the docuмent says.

     The docuмent also says that priests should be trained to guard against “clericalism” and against the temptation to seek popularity; they should be warned not to “think about the Church as a merely human institution.”

    In an interview posted by the Congregation for the Clergy along The Gift of the Priestly Vocation, Cardinal Benjamin Stella, the prefect of the Congregation, called particular attention to the docuмent’s focus on the character of candidates for the priesthood. Cardinal Stella observed that “one cannot be a priest without balance of mind and heart and without affective maturity, and every unresolved lacuna or problem in this area risks becoming gravely harmful, both for the person as well as for the People of God.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30139

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    « Reply #6 on: December 14, 2016, 10:30:57 AM »
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  • The latest Vatican docuмent on seminary formation even had a piece on seminarians being introduced to Latin, but also the nonsense of Gaian ecologism. The problem with the ban on sodomites is that it is likely to operate like the last docuмent where some ordinaries take it as a ban on sodomites and others take it as banning those who are very openly and apparently sodomitical. Hopefully, the rule is interpreted as it is meant, a ban, and children are kept safe.