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« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2012, 08:10:31 AM »
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    Or are you seriously suggesting that abortion for racial reasons is acceptable??


    Why don't you ask Mr. Churchill... :laugh1:

    "Keep England White!"

    Or Mr. FDR. "The result of all mingling of Asiatic blood with that of European or American blood creates 9 times out of 10 the most unfortunate results."


    And I'm not defending them either!

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    « Reply #61 on: April 27, 2012, 08:14:29 AM »
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    And I'm not defending them either!


    I don't understand why you're shouting (or I mean put an exclamation point there).  :confused1:

    As to my opinion I believe that women and men should preserve their race yes. There is nothing hateful about that.


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    « Reply #62 on: April 27, 2012, 08:43:12 AM »
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    As to my opinion I believe that women and men should preserve their race yes. There is nothing hateful about that.


    "The essence of nαzι Nationalism is to preserve the purity of a race in a continent where all races are impure." - G K Chesterton.

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    « Reply #63 on: April 27, 2012, 09:01:28 AM »
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    "The essence of nαzι Nationalism is to preserve the purity of a race in a continent where all races are impure." - G K Chesterton.


    So what? You think only nαzιs cared about preserving their race or ethnicty? I am not ashamed of saying I feel like I have a hell of a lot more in common with my Methodist and Baptist family than I do with Hispanic or Black Catholics. It is the essence of a liberal to accuse someone of nαzιsm.

    Speaking of Chesterton: "When a man stops believing in God he doesn't believe in nothing, he believes in anything." And what is this dream of a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and world government and an international brotherhood of man than the dreams of the ideological mind?

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    « Reply #64 on: April 27, 2012, 10:10:54 AM »
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    Great point.

    As an aside, apparently their project failed miserably, given that the end of the nαzι war effort resulted in between hundreds of thousands and several million Russian babies being born of German women.


    I think you mean the mass rape of German women by the Red Army hordes.


    Details.  Poetic justice.


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    « Reply #65 on: April 27, 2012, 10:19:13 AM »
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    "The essence of nαzι Nationalism is to preserve the purity of a race in a continent where all races are impure." - G K Chesterton.


     It is the essence of a liberal to accuse someone of nαzιsm.


    Unless, of course, that person is actively defending the nαzιs and defending eugenics, even quoting Churchill and FDR on the subject, both of whom are not Catholic at all.  You cite some rather strange people as authorities; are you really even a Catholic ?  I have seen little evidence that would indicate you are.

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    Speaking of Chesterton: "When a man stops believing in God he doesn't believe in nothing, he believes in anything." And what is this dream of a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and world government and an international brotherhood of man than the dreams of the ideological mind?


    You are being too vague, here.  If you want to make an accusation, be a man and make one.  Then stand behind your convictions.  That being said, it seems rather ironic that you, who are viscerally defending or hinting at defending abortions and sterilisations because of race while claiming to be a Catholic, are throwing around the word "ideological."  First things first, though : Who, precisely, are you suggesting believes in "a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and world government and an international brotherhood of man" ?  And then tell me this :  Are you, or have you recently, ever belonged to some sort of Nordic appreciation society, have you posited and/or believed that Our Lord was some how some sort of Aryan, and have you concerned yourself before or are you presently concerned with who is Aryan and who is not, and do you think that this relates to the present state of the world ?

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    « Reply #66 on: April 27, 2012, 10:23:42 AM »
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    You begin with "I'm not defending nαzιsm but..." as if the information which follows the "but" could be mistaken for a defence!

    Or are you seriously suggesting that abortion for racial reasons is acceptable??


    Take it however you like but I put that there because sometimes the historical facts makes that person get called a nαzι or Jew-hater or whatnot.


    That reads awfully similar to an admission that you believe abortions for racial reasons are acceptable.  Matthew, is this sort of thing actually allowed on this forum ?  Are people who make ambiguous hints about whether or not they are in favour of or opposed to infanticide for racial reasons allowed to post at Cathinfo ?

    "Traditional Guy 20," are you even a Traditional Catholic at all, or are you a traditional idol-worshipping pagan ?

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    « Reply #67 on: April 27, 2012, 10:25:55 AM »
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    That reads awfully similar to an admission that you believe abortions for racial reasons are acceptable.  Matthew, is this sort of thing actually allowed on this forum ?  Are people who make ambiguous hints about whether or not they are in favour of or opposed to infanticide for racial reasons allowed to post at Cathinfo ?

    "Traditional Guy 20," are you even a Traditional Catholic at all, or are you a traditional idol-worshipping pagan ?


    Where the hell did I say I supported abortions for racial reasons? Stop misquoting me. Yes I am a Traditional Catholic and I go to a Traditional Latin Mass. I guess telling historical facts about the events leading up to World War II makes one a nαzι?


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    « Reply #68 on: April 27, 2012, 10:30:30 AM »
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    "The essence of nαzι Nationalism is to preserve the purity of a race in a continent where all races are impure." - G K Chesterton.


    So what? You think only nαzιs cared about preserving their race or ethnicty? I am not ashamed of saying I feel like I have a hell of a lot more in common with my Methodist and Baptist family than I do with Hispanic or Black Catholics. It is the essence of a liberal to accuse someone of nαzιsm.

    I posted that quote more for the reference to the existing impurity of our races, rather than the nαzι part.

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    Speaking of Chesterton: "When a man stops believing in God he doesn't believe in nothing, he believes in anything." And what is this dream of a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and world government and an international brotherhood of man than the dreams of the ideological mind?


    Pope Leo XIII

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    6. The greater part of humanity were toiling in this abyss of misery, and were the more to be pitied because they were sunk in the darkness of superstition, when in the fullness of time and by the designs of God, light shone down upon the world, and the merits of Christ the Redeemer were poured out upon mankind. By that means they were lifted out of the Slough and the distress of slavery, and recalled and brought back from the terrible bondage of sin to their high dignity as the sons of God. Thus, the Apostles, in the early days of the Church, among other precepts for a devout life taught and laid down the doctrine which more than once occurs in the Epistles of St. Paul addressed to those newly baptized: "For you are all the children of God by faith, in Jesus Christ. For as many of you as have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ. There is neither Jew, nor Greek; there is neither bond, nor free; there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus."(7) "Where there is neither Gentile nor Jew, circuмcision nor uncircuмcision, barbarian nor Scythian, bond nor free. But Christ is all and in all."(8) "For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free; and in one Spirit we have all been made to drink."(9) Golden words, indeed, noble and wholesome lessons, whereby its old dignity is given back and with increase to the human race, and men of whatever land or tongue of class are bound together and joined in the strong bonds of brotherly kinship. Those things St. Paul, with that Christian charity with which he was filled, learned from the very heart of Him who, with much surpassing goodness, gave Himself to be the brother of us all, and in His own person, without omitting or excepting any one, so ennobled men that they might become participators in the divine nature. Through this Christian charity the various races of men were drawn together under the divine guidance in such a wonderful way that they blossomed into a new state of hope and public happiness; as with the progress of time and events and the constant labor of the Church the various nations were able to gather together, Christian and free, organized anew after the manner of a family.

    7. From the beginning the Church spared no pains to make the Christian people, in a matter of such high importance, accept and firmly hold the true teachings of Christ and the Apostles. And now through the new Adam, who is Christ, there is established a brotherly union between man and man, and people and people; just as in the order of nature they all have a common origin, so in the order which is above nature they all have one and the same origin in salvation and faith; all alike are called to be the adopted sons of God and the Father, who has paid the self same ransom for us all; we are all members of the same body, all are allowed to partake of the same divine banquet, and offered to us all are the blessings of divine grace and of eternal life....


    The brotherhood of man, under the Fatherhood of God, is not a Communist idea. Take away God's Fatherhood, and then you have problems.

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    « Reply #69 on: April 27, 2012, 10:31:15 AM »
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    That reads awfully similar to an admission that you believe abortions for racial reasons are acceptable.  Matthew, is this sort of thing actually allowed on this forum ?  Are people who make ambiguous hints about whether or not they are in favour of or opposed to infanticide for racial reasons allowed to post at Cathinfo?


    Why are you trying to silence views you disagree with (again I'm not a nαzι) anyway if I may ask?

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    « Reply #70 on: April 27, 2012, 10:39:31 AM »
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    The brotherhood of man, under the Fatherhood of God, is not a Communist idea. Take away God's Fatherhood, and then you have problems.


    How did that "Brotherhood of Man" work in Latin America and the Middle East recently in 2006. Oh yes I remember both regions of the world detest European and American presence there. How did it work with the Basques and the Catalans? If there is a "brotherhood of man" why is it radical Hispanic groups are speaking of the Atzlan and the return of the Southwest to Mexico. It appears ethnic conflicts are risiong, not diminishing and ethnic groups are seeing what divides them, not what keeps them together.


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    « Reply #71 on: April 27, 2012, 10:40:25 AM »
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    By making people give primacy to the state over the Church ...


    Speaking of Man of the West's last post, I found it very curious how he said "the Church must be on the side of civilization."

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    « Reply #72 on: April 27, 2012, 10:45:49 AM »
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    Details.  Poetic justice.


    By "poetic justice" do you mean that innocent Germans should suffer for the crimes of guilty Germans?

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    « Reply #73 on: April 27, 2012, 10:59:01 AM »
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    That reads awfully similar to an admission that you believe abortions for racial reasons are acceptable.  Matthew, is this sort of thing actually allowed on this forum ?  Are people who make ambiguous hints about whether or not they are in favour of or opposed to infanticide for racial reasons allowed to post at Cathinfo ?

    "Traditional Guy 20," are you even a Traditional Catholic at all, or are you a traditional idol-worshipping pagan ?


    Where the hell did I say I supported abortions for racial reasons? Stop misquoting me. Yes I am a Traditional Catholic and I go to a Traditional Latin Mass. I guess telling historical facts about the events leading up to World War II makes one a nαzι?


    No, making cryptic comments in defense of eugenics and nαzι policies sure makes you appear like a nαzι, though.

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    Why are you trying to silence views you disagree with (again I'm not a nαzι) anyway if I may ask?


    To stop them from being propagated, obviously.  If somebody is posting in a non-Catholic manner, I am concerned about their presence on the forum and its effect on lurkers and younger readers.  It seems pretty easy for young men to get riled up and defensive over some great issue if somebody only makes the case for them.

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    By "poetic justice" do you mean that innocent Germans should suffer for the crimes of guilty Germans?


    I haven't really thought about it.  All I know is that Germany and the Germans enthusiastically supported racial hygiene and attempted to enslave the Slavs for a thousand years, their efforts on behalf of this project resulting precisely in hundreds of thousands of Slavic men producing even more Slavic babies with German women involuntarily.

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    « Reply #74 on: April 27, 2012, 11:00:20 AM »
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    The brotherhood of man, under the Fatherhood of God, is not a Communist idea. Take away God's Fatherhood, and then you have problems.


    How did that "Brotherhood of Man" work in Latin America and the Middle East recently in 2006. Oh yes I remember both regions of the world detest European and American presence there. How did it work with the Basques and the Catalans? If there is a "brotherhood of man" why is it radical Hispanic groups are speaking of the Atzlan and the return of the Southwest to Mexico. It appears ethnic conflicts are risiong, not diminishing and ethnic groups are seeing what divides them, not what keeps them together.


    What is the point of this ?  Do you have a solution, or are you simply pointing out the rise in ethnic conflict ?  If you do have a solution, what is it, and why would a world where your solution is executed be desirable for Catholics ?