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John Grace · « **Reply #30 on:** April 26, 2012, 10:12:38 AM »

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Normally, one has to try to put people off the likes of Marie Stopes by pointing out her connection with Hitler.

But, with some people, one has to attempt to put them off Hitler by connecting him with Marie Stopes.

Crazy world!

The nαzιs were not pro-life. If Catholics shouldn't vote for pro-abortion parties, they shouldn't defend the nαzιs.

If Catholics can defend the nαzιs, they shouldn't complain when other Catholics vote for pro-abortion parties.

In Ireland a Fine Gael TD (MP) recently stated that “Abortion as murder, therefore sin, which is the religious argument, is no more sinful, from a scriptural point of view, than all other sins we don’t legislate against, like greed, hate and fornication. The latter, being fornication, I would say, is probably the single most likely cause of unwanted pregnancies in this country.”

The Taoiseach (Prime Minister) who is in same party was quick to say it is her personal opinion and not position of the party.

Fine Gael are bad and far from the day when Oliver J. Flanagan (Fine Gael) declared in the irish parliament of the need to "rout the Jews out of this country" (1943). Alan Shatter, a Jew is the Irish Minister for Justice and in Fine Gael. Anti-Catholic as is usual with the Jews. A.K. Chesterton was correct as it is their arrogance that is their downfall.

We need to get rid of political parties. I regard parliamentary democracy as a total charade. It's laughable to watch these parties.

John Grace · « **Reply #31 on:** April 26, 2012, 10:27:18 AM »

As I said and if time allows, a person should undertake a study of the subject matter. I still believe pro-life groups though perhaps well intentioned should avoid mentioning nαzι in their literature. I read an article recently about smoke rising up in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ. I have no doubt there was smoke but not from gas chambers as the author was trying to imply. I thought it a well intentioned but poorly researched piece.

Would a teacher in a school who would have the class read the diary of Anne Frank allow 'Is the Diary of Anne Frank Genuine'? by Robert Faurisson? It's a valid question.

I remember watching an excellent video of Precious Life exposing an abortuary in England but at end of video they had a quote from Elie Wiesel. It was a shame as otherwise it was an excellent and necessary video. I formed the view this organisation must believe in the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' otherwise they would not quote this 'survivor'.

John Grace · « **Reply #32 on:** April 26, 2012, 10:40:30 AM »

A quote from Elie Wiesel could easily lead to a 'Friends of Israel', this ʝʊdɛօ-Christian heritage approach. Sure why not have a rabbi over to speak? It's the wrong road to go down but being honest majority of pro-lifers are pro-Israel. One can very easily get neo conned.I never waste time lobbying 'pro-life' politicians or 'vote pro-life'.I find this approach a waste of time and naive.

I can only speak for my own Nation but we need a Second Republic. A total reconstruction of the Nation.

John Grace · « **Reply #33 on:** April 26, 2012, 10:48:06 AM »

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A quote from Elie Wiesel could easily lead to a 'Friends of Israel', this ʝʊdɛօ-Christian heritage approach. Sure why not have a rabbi over to speak? It's the wrong road to go down but being honest majority of pro-lifers are pro-Israel. One can very easily get neo conned.I never waste time lobbying 'pro-life' politicians or 'vote pro-life'.I find this approach a waste of time and naive.

I can only speak for my own Nation but we need a Second Republic. A total reconstruction of the Nation.

We need something better than what the deadbeats in the establishment have to offer. Only a return to Catholicism and a politics which is revolutionary will save our island.A Society of Guilds and our own currency away from cities is our future.

John Grace · « **Reply #34 on:** April 26, 2012, 10:59:40 AM »

Fine Gael emerged from the Blueshirts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueshirts

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The Army Comrades Association (ACA), later named the National Guard and better known by the nickname The Blueshirts (Irish: Na Léinte Gorma), was a right-wing Irish political organisation active in the 1930s.
The Blueshirts are sometimes described as "quasi-fascist",[1] and the extent to which they can be seen as the Irish equivalent of Hitler's Brownshirts and Mussolini's Blackshirts continues to be debated. They employed paramilitary-style uniforms, greeted each other with the Roman salute, and participated in street fights against the IRA.[2]
However some historians[who?] have argued that the members of the Blueshirts, generally speaking:
shared an opposition to the Irish Republican Army, the governing Fianna Fáil party, and contemporary economic policies,[3] rather than a fascist ideology;
were defensive rather than offensive in outlook, and;
unlike their counterparts in other countries, were not known to engage in political terrorism.[citation needed]

The historian R. M. Douglas has suggested that "those who have sought to find in the Blueshirts an Irish manifestation of fascism have been looking in the wrong place".[4] Since the 1970s, "Blueshirt" has also been used as a derogatory nickname for Fine Gael, the mainstream right-wing political party, into which the Blueshirts were subsumed in 1933. It has also been adopted by members and supporters of that party as a self-deprecating nickname.

John Grace · « **Reply #35 on:** April 26, 2012, 11:00:43 AM »

Ailtirí na hAiséirghe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailtir%C3%AD_na_hAis%C3%A9irghe

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Ailtirí na hAiséirghe (English: Architects of the Resurrection) was a minor radical nationalist and fascist political party from Ireland, founded by Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin in 1942.[1][2] The party sought to form a totalitarian Irish Christian corporatist state. Its objectives included the creation of a one-party state under the rule of an all-powerful leader; the criminalisation of the public use of the English language; discriminatory measures against Jews; the building-up of a massive conscript army; and the reconquest of Northern Ireland. In the longer term, Aiséirghe aimed to make a fascist Ireland into a "missionary-ideological" state spreading its combination of totalitarian politics and Christian social principles worldwide.
An "organised group of αnтι-ѕємιтєs",[3] its sympathies were with the Axis powers. It was one of a wave of minor far right parties in 1940s Ireland that failed to achieve mainstream success, like the Monetary Reform Party.[4]
The party obtained no seats in the 1943 and 1944 general elections.[5] In the 1945 local government elections, however, Aiséirghe candidates won nine seats (out of 31 contested), gaining a total of more than 11,000 first-preference votes.
Its supporters included Ernest Blythe, Oliver J. Flanagan and James Joseph Walsh.[6] Seán Treacy,[7] the future Ceann Comhairle of Dáil Éireann, was a party member in the 1940s, as were the novelist Brian Cleeve,[8] the philosopher Terence Gray[9] and the broadcaster and author Breandán Ó hEithir.[7] Although never a member, Seán South was familiar with the group's publications.[10]
After an internal split in late 1945, Aiséirghe's influence weakened. It held its last formal meeting in 1958, though the party newspaper continued to appear until the early 1970s.

sedetrad · « **Reply #36 on:** April 26, 2012, 11:53:47 AM »

Hitler was an occultist. He was not Catholic.

Karl · « **Reply #37 on:** April 26, 2012, 12:11:50 PM »

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A quote from Elie Wiesel could easily lead to a 'Friends of Israel', this ʝʊdɛօ-Christian heritage approach. Sure why not have a rabbi over to speak? It's the wrong road to go down but being honest majority of pro-lifers are pro-Israel. One can very easily get neo conned.I never waste time lobbying 'pro-life' politicians or 'vote pro-life'.I find this approach a waste of time and naive.

I can only speak for my own Nation but we need a Second Republic. A total reconstruction of the Nation.

We need something better than what the deadbeats in the establishment have to offer. Only a return to Catholicism and a politics which is revolutionary will save our island.A Society of Guilds and our own currency away from cities is our future.

Totally agree, we need a return to the rural Catholicism of the Holy Roman Empire. There was a stronger community with a sense of place and identity. The people were connected to one another by loyalty and obligation. These relationships created a sense of stability and intimacy among Catholics.

The "dark ages" certainly weren't perfect, people often struggled to meet their basic needs BUT were free of outside control. They depended on their community and their Catholic faith for strength. Though everyday life was difficult, people were strengthened by the sacred bonds of family and community.

John Grace · « **Reply #38 on:** April 26, 2012, 02:39:17 PM »

Oliver J. Flanagan on Abortion

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Here Oliver J. Flanagan (1920-1987), former Fine Gael TD for Laois-Offaly, voices his opposition to the hesitancy of the then Taoiseach Dr Garret FitzGerald on the subject of the proposed Pro-Life Amendment.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 26, 2012, 06:48:51 PM »

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Good. I'm glad we agree on that much, JG.

Naturally we agree on this.

John (is it okay to call you that?) you should realize that the subject of eugenics was started by Americans and British not the nαzιs. In fact everyone from George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill supported euthanizing the retarded to "preserve the Anglo-Saxon legacy." Hitler in Mein Kampf was merely following that movement when he wrote that getting rid of those people before they could breed with healthy people would seem cruel at first but in the long run it would help the white race by getting rid of the "insane classes" in the gene pool.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 26, 2012, 06:56:24 PM »

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If Catholics can defend the nαzιs, they shouldn't complain when other Catholics vote for pro-abortion parties.

Well then I guess that can work both ways: if Catholics vote for Marxists then they should not speak up and join the liberals when liberals call someone a nαzι.

Speaking on abortion and birth control again I'm not defending nαzιsm but it was outlawed in nαzι Germany EXCEPT in the case of race. Since the retarded were segregated in hospitals and sterilized there could be no propagation anyway but in nαzι Germany you had what you called the "Rhineland bastards" which were children of German women and black Free French forces that occupied Germany after World War I which were also starilized. If a woman was conceiving a child whose father was a Gypsy, Black, or Jew that was when the nαzιs would perform abortions to "keep the German race clean." Other than that German women with German men were told to have as much children as possible.

Karl · « **Reply #41 on:** April 26, 2012, 10:22:00 PM »

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Other than that German women with German men were told to have as much children as possible.

Yeah, the Reich encouraged large families with many children.

By the way, you may already know but Germans NEVER called themselves nαzιs. That was actually a pejorative name created by the Jews. (“αѕнкenαzι” is the Hebrew word for Germany)

Germans proclaimed their government was the Third Reich (Empire), which paid respect to the First Reich, the Holy Roman Empire founded by Saint Charlemagne.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 26, 2012, 10:37:32 PM »

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Germans proclaimed their government was the Third Reich (Empire), which paid respect to the First Reich, the Holy Roman Empire founded by Saint Charlemagne.

And the Second Reich, though Hitler also personally despised Kaisar Wilhelm II.

PereJoseph · « **Reply #43 on:** April 26, 2012, 11:16:50 PM »

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Totally agree, we need a return to the rural Catholicism of the Holy Roman Empire.

Are you sure that we need the resurrection of the Empire of the German Nation ? Maybe you meant something else, though. If you could, it would help if you described this allegedly Roman empire, because I suspect you mean the Saxon and Austrian empires, which are something quite unique.

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There was a stronger community with a sense of place and identity. The people were connected to one another by loyalty and obligation. These relationships created a sense of stability and intimacy among Catholics.

This was all over Christendom, not just in the lands attached to Saxon and Austrian dynasties.

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The "dark ages" certainly weren't perfect...

When were these so-called "dark ages," in you opinion ?

PereJoseph · « **Reply #44 on:** April 26, 2012, 11:22:16 PM »

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