Author Topic: Accounts of two witnesses at Williamson trial (Read 3454 times)

Patman · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2010, 06:01:22 PM »

I couldn't really bring myself to read the whole thing, mainly because I think it's a simple matter of injustice to Bp. Williamson. You see, the law is against public utterances affecting society, not private statements made in a residence among those who wish to hear them. The interviewer wished to hear Bp. Williamson say those things and pried it out of him.

Who really should be sued in that case? Anyone responsible for actually publicizing the Bishop's words, such as the tv or radio stations. They would be the ones that violated the law.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2010, 06:47:22 PM »

The Society was happy to benefit from Bishop Williamson's charisma but I have become a lot more cynical about them.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:06:55 PM »

http://iloapp.kristkonung.se/blog/dantesnyheter?ShowFile&image=1255632662.jpg

Cynical? Can't imagine why! ( Check the grip ).

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:10:28 PM »

It does stand to reason that the freemasons would try to recruit sspx priests.

To what extent they have succeeded is impossible to know, but there can be little doubt that some sspx priests have crossed over to that side.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:24:39 PM »

Emerentiana · « **Reply #6 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:44:30 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

http://iloapp.kristkonung.se/blog/dantesnyheter?ShowFile&image=1255632662.jpg

Cynical? Can't imagine why! ( Check the grip ).

Yes, that picture is worth a thousand words! For all of you that are not in the "know" this is the masonic handshake!

All you devout SSPXers take note.

I was told in the early 70's when they were formed that they were the "back door" to the modern Novus Ordo church. The New Church could suck them back in someday.......and look whats happening! They are attempting to. Thank God there are still good priests and bishops in that org.
They are not the "guardians" of the faith , like they claim to be!

Raoul76 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:46:12 PM »

I see it differently. I see the SSPX as most likely set up to basically buy more time for Vatican II to do its dirty work. It's a strategic move. The devil will let some trads off the hook as long as, by keeping them sweet with their Little House on the Prarie communities, they don't raise too much of an uproar about the fact that the Pope is a complete impostor, and the clergy is essentially part of a huge conspiracy, with seminaries being training grounds for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ heretics. The more time that goes by like this, the less faith there will be until... Blackout. Unless God stops it.

I could go on all day with the nonsensical approach of SSPX and how it doesn't square with anything that history has ever seen. Why are we sitting around arguing whether or not the "Popes" have crossed the line into heresy? Whether they have or not, we know they are anti-Christ. We know they are trying to destroy the Church, whether they are doing this through ambiguity that somehow stays on the right side of heresy, or whether they have tipped over.

St. Bernard didn't even have one iota of the reason we do to want to depose Anacletus II, yet he did not sit around and whinge and make apologies, thinking "Maybe Anacletus is only a material heretic." How much more do you have to see to know that there is a conspiracy and that you will never, ever, EVER get a true Pope out of this circle of thieves that has waylaid the Vatican? How much more time has to be squandered, how many more souls lost? The whole thing has to come down; utter and complete destruction is the only solution. This can only be done when people simply refuse to acknowledge the false Popes.

It is painful to watch the AngelQueen types "praying for the Holy Father" and hoping that he is going to turn things around, making excuses for him. Then there are others who think he is a well-meaning liberal. Enough is enough. Someone who talks about "1789 in the Church" knows EXACTLY what he's doing, and there is nothing accidental about the carefully crafted doublespeak of Benedict.

Alexandria · « **Reply #8 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:51:33 PM »

Raoul

What does "whinge" mean?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:54:24 PM »

At the local indult mass the priest said during Corpus Christi that the multiplication of the loaves was the Eucharist in John.

That we come to receive "the bread."

And this is in an indult church that has some priests who seem to be very good in it.

There doesn't seem to be a way to escape the heretics under this Pope.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:55:57 PM »

To be fair, Emerentiana, Benedict could have sprung that handshake on Bp. Fellay. And I don't even think Benedict is a Mason. He probably just likes inflaming people. I know that every time he opens his mouth, I want to ram my fist into the wall. This guy knows how to be peerlessly irritating. It's a good opportunity to work on my patience, I guess.

Just to let it be known I'm not accusing anyone in SSPX of being Masons. They might be, but anyone might be. My problem is with their theological position and with their approach itself -- the way they are supposed to be on the offensive, but then find themselves constantly on the defensive, begging to have their "excommunications" lifted, rejoicing when they regain entry back into Newchurch! It's a farce. If this is the real strategy of their leaders, they are incompetent. And if it's a set-up, they are evil. Either way, it's not good.

They also claim they want the Vatican to repeal parts of Vatican II, but even that doesn't make sense -- it would be like the Church admitting it can err on serious doctrinal matters. How would people be able to trust the Church after that?

The only solution is to accept that what sits in Rome is no longer the Church, though it oddly functions as the true Church, does baptisms, confirmations, etc. It has a "colored title," let's say.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:56:35 PM »

Alexandria said:

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What does "whinge" mean?

Remove the "g."

Alexandria · « **Reply #12 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:58:58 PM »

William Strojie, who wrote a newsletter in the seventies and up to his death in 1987, always said that the SSPX was the set up opposition to get all the "reactionaries" in the church out of the way so that the revolutionaries could work with as little hindrance as possible.

I often wondered if he was right.

Alexandria · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2010, 07:59:49 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Alexandria said:
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What does "whinge" mean?

Remove the "g."

Oh. I thought it was some hip word peculiar to that happening area you live in.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #14 on:** June 10, 2010, 08:07:21 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I see it differently. I see the SSPX as most likely set up to basically buy more time for Vatican II to do its dirty work. It's a strategic move. The devil will let some trads off the hook as long as, by keeping them sweet with their Little House on the Prarie communities, they don't raise too much of an uproar about the fact that the Pope is a complete impostor, and the clergy is essentially part of a huge conspiracy, with seminaries being training grounds for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ heretics. The more time that goes by like this, the less faith there will be until... Blackout. Unless God stops it.

I could go on all day with the nonsensical approach of SSPX and how it doesn't square with anything that history has ever seen. Why are we sitting around arguing whether or not the "Popes" have crossed the line into heresy? Whether they have or not, we know they are anti-Christ. We know they are trying to destroy the Church, whether they are doing this through ambiguity that somehow stays on the right side of heresy, or whether they have tipped over.

St. Bernard didn't even have one iota of the reason we do to want to depose Anacletus II, yet he did not sit around and whinge and make apologies, thinking "Maybe Anacletus is only a material heretic." How much more do you have to see to know that there is a conspiracy and that you will never, ever, EVER get a true Pope out of this circle of thieves that has waylaid the Vatican? How much more time has to be squandered, how many more souls lost? The whole thing has to come down; utter and complete destruction is the only solution. This can only be done when people simply refuse to acknowledge the false Popes.

It is painful to watch the AngelQueen types "praying for the Holy Father" and hoping that he is going to turn things around, making excuses for him. Then there are others who think he is a well-meaning liberal. Enough is enough. Someone who talks about "1789 in the Church" knows EXACTLY what he's doing, and there is nothing accidental about the carefully crafted doublespeak of Benedict.

Raoul,
I couldnt agree with you more!!!!!!!!! Thats what I was told in the 70's. If the SSPX wasnt there, millions of Catholics would see the farce of the false popes, and take the sede position......hence the SSPX was set up. This keeps the good people there....still believing "the pope is the pope.......but we dont have to obey him" (their exact beliefs) You see it exactly as I do, only much more eloquently put! :applause: