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Abortion - Cause or Symptom?
« on: August 02, 2017, 10:13:43 PM »
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  • Is it legitimate to consider abortion a symptom?  Because, it is very easy to understand abortion to be a cause of our problems.  I mean it is murder and that cries to heaven for vengeance.  However, abortion has really only become widespread in our modern age.  So, it leads me to believe that it is a symptom of some problem(cause) manifested prior.  And, the consequence of it being a symptom is worthy of discussion.  Because, if it is a symptom, then what is the problem?  Or is it circular?  I doubt it.  I think a problem(sin) leads to more problems(sin).   Sin begets sin.    
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    Re: Abortion - Cause or Symptom?
    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 11:04:27 PM »
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  •  I do know one thing:  Communist thinkers, or along that line, use this KAB.  K=knowledge, A=attitude, B=behavior.

    Call it a scheme, however, use the idea of abortion:  Knowledge = Paul Ehrlich stating we are over populated. Planned Parenthood saying we need to be responsible, however which leads to attitudes, and attitudes that result in behavior, abortion and contraception and etc.

    You could also use the example of knowledge=no God or no authority, I have a right to do as I please =attitude followed by behavior.

    where is the sin?  Attitude 

    I remember when my mom, like many moms were so very proud of their children.  We had dresses of the same fabric and boys in suits and we walked into church like a parade.  Now that is attitude=proud and that is a good.  Behavior, children.


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    Re: Abortion - Cause or Symptom?
    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 09:17:37 AM »
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  • I do know one thing:  Communist thinkers, or along that line, use this KAB.  K=knowledge, A=attitude, B=behavior.

    Call it a scheme, however, use the idea of abortion:  Knowledge = Paul Ehrlich stating we are over populated. Planned Parenthood saying we need to be responsible, however which leads to attitudes, and attitudes that result in behavior, abortion and contraception and etc.

    You could also use the example of knowledge=no God or no authority, I have a right to do as I please =attitude followed by behavior.

    where is the sin?  Attitude

    I remember when my mom, like many moms were so very proud of their children.  We had dresses of the same fabric and boys in suits and we walked into church like a parade.  Now that is attitude=proud and that is a good.  Behavior, children.
    The Rabbis teach that a fetus is not a person until it is born.  Who is the dominant force in our culture today? Who is at the forefront of the abortion and reproductive rights movement?
    The Christian values of our parents time have been deliberately replaced by the тαℓмυdic outlook and values of God's enemies.

    When is the last time that you heard this reality espoused from the pulpit?  Ever?

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    Re: Abortion - Cause or Symptom?
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2017, 11:30:44 AM »
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  • I say this because protesting abortion is like the litmus test for catholics.  But, if abortion is only a symptom, then should it be our most important protest?  Or, should our most important protest be the cause of this symptom?  I think the cause of our problem is lust.  And, catholics are the real movers and shakers in the world.  So, our actions have the most influence.  When catholics are not condeming nfp use/abuse or lustful near occasions then can we expect anything less than widespread abortion?

    I read recently that Pope Gregory the Great was lamenting the practice of Mothers not breastfeeding their newborns but passing them to a maid to be nursed.  And, he said this was the result of the men not wanting to halt sɛҳuąƖ relations with the mother/wife after the birth/until the child was weened.  So, it sounds to me like lust was the cause of this practice that Pope Gregory disliked.  I think that is right-headed.  And, it wouldn't surprise me if lust(in this case spousal) is the cause of other problems(current) of ours.  I think the problem is lust.  

    Now, what is the lustful action that catholics can "march" against?  Because, if abortion is a symptom, then it has a cause.  And, that cause falls under the category of lust.  

    I can see it now, the march against NFP Abuse!  NFP catechisis in the NO is so shameful that it may be our ticket.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


     

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