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« on: April 27, 2025, 12:05:43 PM »
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  • Recall 2019, when the neo-SSPX bribed the local ordinary for access to the Quito Shrine, as in 2011, when they rebranded themselves, they also tried to "rebrand" this 500-year-old Marian devotion. 

    Clearly a tactic from the communist handbook. 

    However, we see in an +ABl interview dating to 1988, that the Archbishop believed in the authenticity of the name, "Our Lady of good Success". 


    Interview by Andrew CAGNON
    NOTES:
    (1) Extract from the consecrations sermon of 30th June 1988:
    “Just recently, the priest who takes care of the priory of Bogota, Colombia, brought me a book concerning the apparition of Our Lady of "Buon Suceso," - of "Good Success," to whom a large church in Quito, Ecuador, was dedicated. They were received by a nun shortly after the Council of Trent, so you see, quite a few centuries ago. This apparition is thoroughly recognized by Rome and the ecclesiastical authorities; a magnificent church was built for the Blessed Virgin Mary wherein the faithful of Ecuador venerate with great devotion a picture of Our Lady, whose face was made miraculously.
    The artist was in the process of painting it when he found the face of the Holy Virgin miraculously formed. And Our Lady prophesied for the twentieth century, saying explicitly that during the nineteenth century and most of the twentieth century, errors would become more and more widespread in Holy Church, placing the Church in a catastrophic situation. Morals would become corrupt and he Faith would disappear. It seems impossible not to see it happening today.
    I excuse myself for continuing this account of the apparition but she speaks of a prelate who will absolutely oppose this wave of apostasy and impiety - saving the priesthood by forming good priests. I do not say that prophecy refers to me. You may draw your own conclusions. I was stupefied when reading these lines but I cannot deny them, since they are recorded and deposited in the archives of this apparition.”
    (2) cf. fideliter No.66, Nov. - Dec. 1988

    Source DRBO,org, under Articles, The Last Interview of +ABL






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    Re: +ABL and Our Lady of Good Success
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  • I  don't know much about the Re-branding of Our Lady of Good Success. ? The Angelus July 2011 AD issue still had an article with a title Our Lady of Good Success. What happened?...refresh my memory. Our Lady of Good Fortune?...TIA speaks of a nun, and refer to her as an 'Agent".

    https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/Pope%20St.%20Pius%20X%20&%E2%81%84or%20SSPX/The%20Angelus/PDFs/404_The%20Angelus_July%202011_online.pdf

    Excerpt:
    "...Our Lady of Good Success herself named the sculptor who was to produce her statue. She gave the reason for her choice: the man whom she had chosen was a practicing Catholic, and that was why he was worthy to make her statue.
    Shortly before the statue was completed, the sculptor travelled to Europe to purchase the most precious paints for the faces of the Mother of God and of the Child Jesus. He promised to return by January 16, 1611, and to finish the
    statue then. On the day before his return a miracle took place:

      Mother Mariana was praying at dawn in the upper choir of the church, when suddenly the whole church was brightly illuminated, the tabernacle opened and she saw the Three Persons of the Most Holy Trinity in the Sacred Host. At that moment she recognized the great love of the Most Holy Trinity for the Virgin Mary. Furthermore the nine choirs of angels filled the church with their song in honor of our heavenly Mother. Then the three archan-
    gels, Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael, knelt down before the altar. It seemed to Mother Mariana as if they were commanded to show their reverence for the Mother of God.

    ...A moment later they were in the choir, where the unfinished statue was being kept. There Mother Mariana saw how the statue was instantaneously completed. St. Francis of Assisi was present also. He took his cincture off and girded the statue with it. After that the Virgin Mary herself entered into the statue, which you can imagine as the entrance of sunlight into a crystal. Then she sang the Magnificat. That was how the statue was completed!
    When the sculptor and painter returned, he fell on his knees before the statue and testified that no human power, but only a divine power could have finished that statue. He immediately set down in writing his testimony that this work was not his but that of the angels.

    The docuмent is found today in the archive of the convent....

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    Re: +ABL and Our Lady of Good Success
    « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2025, 07:49:28 PM »
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  • Here’s a sample of what happened in 2019, covered by TIA in a series of articles.

    It was a bit wild in that the SSPX’s sole agenda was to displace the TFP from being the Catholic hosts, assisting the Convent Nuns at the Shrine.

    They cleverly resorted to inserting a female operative in the convent and made out that the Shrine was being held hostage by the TFP. 

    There is 500 years of Catholic prophecy surrounding the Quito devotion and the “Holy Pamphleters” are mentioned in it. They are commonly considered to be the TFP. 

    Miraculously and comically, on the annual feast-day, when Our Lady’s Statue was to be brought down from the choir loft for public veneration, the SSPX priests could not budge it. 

    Rather, only the men of the TFP, the “Holy Pamphleters” were able to carry Our Lady to her place.


    Atila Sinke Guimarães
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      The docuмent issued by the Superior of the Convent of the Immaculate Conception in Quito was not credible, as I showed in my last columnbecause it suffered from some fundamental insufficiencies.

    The principal of them is that the Rev. Mother Abbess who signed that docuмent declaring how the Spanish title of Nuestra Señora del Buen Sucesso should correctly be translated into English does not know English, nor do any of the other three signers. Since no one can legislate on a topic he does not know, obviously, the Rev. Mother Abbess is neither qualified nor entitled to decide definitively what is or is not common usage in English.

    Today, I will go one step further.

    The chief promoter of the new English titles Our Lady of Buen Suceso and Our Lady of the Good Event, as proposed in that docuмent, is Rev. Fr. Adam Purdy, an American SSPX priest.



    The blind leading the blind - 1
    Nuns who do not know English decide on the best way a Spanish title should be in English...

    The blind leading the blind - 2
    ... this is presented as the best translation from Spanish by a priest who does not know Spanish
    If I am to believe what he said in his sermon on February 2, 2019, delivered at the High Mass in the Conceptionist Convent in Quito, Fr. Purdy

    • has been going to Quito for several years on that date;
    • is now playing an active role in organizing the Procession of the Dawn (Procesión de la Aurora), which used to be a single procession made in the early morning hours of February 2 and now has been replaced by the SSPX with a series of processions made at dawn on the days preceding that Feast Day, and
    • is the SSPX spokesman on this topic. Followers of the SSPX who are now publicly opposing the title Our Lady of Good Successin English always quote him as the final authority on this matter.
    What seems bizarre to me is that Rev. Fr. Adam Purdy does not know Spanish. So, if my information is not mistaken, the main SSPX expert in English-speaking countries on how the title Nuestra Señora del Buen Suceso should be translated from Spanish to English is ignorant of the Spanish language…

    So then, we have a decision issued in Spanish by nuns who do not know English on the best and most authentic way a Spanish title should be translated into English; this decision is being spread in English as being the best translation from that Spanish title by a priest who does not know Spanish.

    Doesn’t it look like blind men making decisions about color hues?

    What value should a serious person give to that decision and this propaganda?

    Confused thoughts

    Our Lady told Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres in an apparition that she wanted to be called Virgen del Buen Suceso or Maria del Buen Suceso or Nuestra Señora del Buen Suceso. I will leave the precision on the first part of these titles for another time. 

    When the docuмent signed by the Rev. Mother Abbess tried to explain the Buen Suceso to which Our Lady referred, it affirmed that she was referring to the Presentation of Our Lord in the Temple. The emphasis is placed on Our Lord and not on Our Lady. With this focus as the starting point, the three central paragraphs of the explanation attempt to show that the Purification of Our Lady is subordinate to the Presentation of Our Lord.



    docuмent
    Read the whole Clarification in English here, in Spanish here
    I believe that both the emphasis and the term good success (buen suceso) in this docuмent are different from what the Catholic Church habitually teaches.

    1. The emphasis: The whole Roman Catholic Church has always considered this Feast of February 2 to be a Marian feast, with the emphasis placed on the Purification of the Virgin Mary and not on the Presentation of Our Lord. Dom Guéranger is quite clear on this regard:

    “The Greek Church and the Church of Milan count this feast among those of Our Lord. But the Church of Rome has always considered it as a feast of the Virgin Mary. It is true, it is Our Savior who is this day offered in the Temple, but this offering is the consequence of Our Lady’s Purification. The most ancient of the Western Martyrologies and Calendars call it the Purification. The honor thus paid by the Church to the Mother tends in reality to the greater glory of her Divine Son, for He is the Author and the End of all those prerogatives which we revere and honor in Mary.” (Prosper Guéranger, The Liturgical Year, Fitzwilliam, NH: Loreto Publications, 2000, vol. 3, p. 469)

    Dom Guéranger stresses the Church’s long tradition of commemorating the Purification in this way:

    “Several learned writers, among whom we may mention Henschenius and Pope Benedict XIV, are of the opinion that this Solemnity was instituted by the Apostles themselves. This much is certain, that it was a long-standing feast even in the fifth century.” (Ibid.)

    So, the three principal paragraphs of the docuмent where supposedly the Mother Abbess set forth how we should understand the Presentation in order for us to comprehend the significance of this Feast do not reflect the sentire cuм Ecclesia.

    2. The buen suceso: To determine what suceso Our Lady was referring to when she spoke to Mother Mariana, I distinguish different perspectives:

    A. According to the Jєωιѕн Law, every mother who gave birth to a child should stay away from the Temple for a period of 40 days to purify herself from the prosaic conditions of a normal birth under the rule of original sin. After that period, the mother would go to the Temple and end the period of purification by offering either a pair of doves or a lamb, depending on the family’s financial situation. After making that offering the woman was considered pure. As a pure lady, she would present her child to God.



    Purification
    Mary and Joseph at the Temple:
    first the Purification, then the Presentation
    That purification cannot be understood without parturition; parturition cannot be understood without the birth of a child. Therefore, the suceso upon which the Law was focusing was the birth of the child. This was the buen suceso to be considered, with the necessary consequence of the purification.

    B. We know that Our Lady did not need purification because she was born without original sin and her virginal parturition was spared the normal conditions of other mothers. Consequently, she fulfilled the Law as a manifestation of her humility and obedience. For her, the good success was not to be purified since she was never impure, but the successful birth of her Child.

    C. In the Liturgical Year, the Feast of the Purification closes the Christmas season. The good news is still the Birth of Christ, this is the good success. If the Presentation were the good success, as the docuмent pretends, the Feast should start a new cycle instead of ending the Christmas cycle. Since this is not the case, the good success should be considered the Birth of Christ.

    D. For centuries pregnant women were inspired by grace to have recourse to Our Lady on this Feast Day of February 2, asking her to give them a happy delivery. The Feast of Candlemas, the Feast of Our Lady of Candelária, the Feast of Our Lady of the Light all represent a single devotion under different invocations asking the Virgin Mary on the same day for the same precise favor: to have a successful parturition. This traditional devotion seems to establish that the good success to which Our Lady referred when giving her title to Mother Mariana was the happy Birth of Our Lord.



    our lady oval
    The good success of Our Lady
    was the Birth of Our Lord
    Based on these facts, I have to say that it is particularly sad to see that, in a Convent of Conceptionist nuns who should be particularly turned toward the contemplation and admiration of the conception and birth of Christ, the Mother Abbess issued a public docuмent affirming to any and all readers that the reason Our Lady chose the title of good success is not based on the Birth of Christ, but on his Presentation.

    This seems to me so awkward that I am led to imagine that either the Mother Abbess did not read with close attention the docuмent she signed or she was obliged to issue it under obedience. Someone else would have given to her a docuмent she did not write for her to sign.

    Who would be this person? In the absence of material evidence, juridical tradition leads us to ask: Quo bono? Who benefits from that docuмent? I mentioned three persons acting together: the “good” Arch. Travez, who has obliged those nuns to do many other things against their will, the SSPX agent Liboro who is acting inside the Convent, and Fr. Adam Purdy, who is incessantly repeating in the U.S. the same awkward arguments of that docuмent.

    The common goals of these three persons were (a) to expel from the Convent the disciples of Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira who were in charge of moving the Statue of Our Lady of Good Success from the upper choir to the main altar of the Church, and (b) to take over this devotion in the United States.

    Continued


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: +ABL and Our Lady of Good Success
    « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2025, 09:52:46 PM »
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  • Here’s a sample of what happened in 2019, covered by TIA in a series of articles.

    It was a bit wild in that the SSPX’s sole agenda was to displace the TFP from being the Catholic hosts, assisting the Convent Nuns at the Shrine.

    They cleverly resorted to inserting a female operative in the convent and made out that the Shrine was being held hostage by the TFP. 

    There is 500 years of Catholic prophecy surrounding the Quito devotion and the “Holy Pamphleters” are mentioned in it. They are commonly considered to be the TFP. 

    Miraculously and comically, on the annual feast-day, when Our Lady’s Statue was to be brought down from the choir loft for public veneration, the SSPX priests could not budge it. 

    Rather, only the men of the TFP, the “Holy Pamphleters” were able to carry Our Lady to her place.


    Atila Sinke Guimarães
    CONFUSED LANGUAGE, CONFUSED THOUGHTS -

      The docuмent issued by the Superior of the Convent of the Immaculate Conception in Quito was not credible, as I showed in my last columnbecause it suffered from some fundamental insufficiencies.

    The principal of them is that the Rev. Mother Abbess who signed that docuмent declaring how the Spanish title of Nuestra Señora del Buen Sucesso should correctly be translated into English does not know English, nor do any of the other three signers. Since no one can legislate on a topic he does not know, obviously, the Rev. Mother Abbess is neither qualified nor entitled to decide definitively what is or is not common usage in English.

    Today, I will go one step further.

    The chief promoter of the new English titles Our Lady of Buen Suceso and Our Lady of the Good Event, as proposed in that docuмent, is Rev. Fr. Adam Purdy, an American SSPX priest.



    The blind leading the blind - 1
    Nuns who do not know English decide on the best way a Spanish title should be in English...

    The blind leading the blind - 2
    ... this is presented as the best translation from Spanish by a priest who does not know Spanish
    If I am to believe what he said in his sermon on February 2, 2019, delivered at the High Mass in the Conceptionist Convent in Quito, Fr. Purdy

    • has been going to Quito for several years on that date;
    • is now playing an active role in organizing the Procession of the Dawn (Procesión de la Aurora), which used to be a single procession made in the early morning hours of February 2 and now has been replaced by the SSPX with a series of processions made at dawn on the days preceding that Feast Day, and
    • is the SSPX spokesman on this topic. Followers of the SSPX who are now publicly opposing the title Our Lady of Good Successin English always quote him as the final authority on this matter.
    What seems bizarre to me is that Rev. Fr. Adam Purdy does not know Spanish. So, if my information is not mistaken, the main SSPX expert in English-speaking countries on how the title Nuestra Señora del Buen Suceso should be translated from Spanish to English is ignorant of the Spanish language…

    So then, we have a decision issued in Spanish by nuns who do not know English on the best and most authentic way a Spanish title should be translated into English; this decision is being spread in English as being the best translation from that Spanish title by a priest who does not know Spanish.

    Doesn’t it look like blind men making decisions about color hues?

    What value should a serious person give to that decision and this propaganda?

    Confused thoughts

    Our Lady told Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres in an apparition that she wanted to be called Virgen del Buen Suceso or Maria del Buen Suceso or Nuestra Señora del Buen Suceso. I will leave the precision on the first part of these titles for another time. 

    When the docuмent signed by the Rev. Mother Abbess tried to explain the Buen Suceso to which Our Lady referred, it affirmed that she was referring to the Presentation of Our Lord in the Temple. The emphasis is placed on Our Lord and not on Our Lady. With this focus as the starting point, the three central paragraphs of the explanation attempt to show that the Purification of Our Lady is subordinate to the Presentation of Our Lord.



    docuмent
    Read the whole Clarification in English here, in Spanish here
    I believe that both the emphasis and the term good success (buen suceso) in this docuмent are different from what the Catholic Church habitually teaches.

    1. The emphasis: The whole Roman Catholic Church has always considered this Feast of February 2 to be a Marian feast, with the emphasis placed on the Purification of the Virgin Mary and not on the Presentation of Our Lord. Dom Guéranger is quite clear on this regard:

    “The Greek Church and the Church of Milan count this feast among those of Our Lord. But the Church of Rome has always considered it as a feast of the Virgin Mary. It is true, it is Our Savior who is this day offered in the Temple, but this offering is the consequence of Our Lady’s Purification. The most ancient of the Western Martyrologies and Calendars call it the Purification. The honor thus paid by the Church to the Mother tends in reality to the greater glory of her Divine Son, for He is the Author and the End of all those prerogatives which we revere and honor in Mary.” (Prosper Guéranger, The Liturgical Year, Fitzwilliam, NH: Loreto Publications, 2000, vol. 3, p. 469)

    Dom Guéranger stresses the Church’s long tradition of commemorating the Purification in this way:

    “Several learned writers, among whom we may mention Henschenius and Pope Benedict XIV, are of the opinion that this Solemnity was instituted by the Apostles themselves. This much is certain, that it was a long-standing feast even in the fifth century.” (Ibid.)

    So, the three principal paragraphs of the docuмent where supposedly the Mother Abbess set forth how we should understand the Presentation in order for us to comprehend the significance of this Feast do not reflect the sentire cuм Ecclesia.

    2. The buen suceso: To determine what suceso Our Lady was referring to when she spoke to Mother Mariana, I distinguish different perspectives:

    A. According to the Jєωιѕн Law, every mother who gave birth to a child should stay away from the Temple for a period of 40 days to purify herself from the prosaic conditions of a normal birth under the rule of original sin. After that period, the mother would go to the Temple and end the period of purification by offering either a pair of doves or a lamb, depending on the family’s financial situation. After making that offering the woman was considered pure. As a pure lady, she would present her child to God.



    Purification
    Mary and Joseph at the Temple:
    first the Purification, then the Presentation
    That purification cannot be understood without parturition; parturition cannot be understood without the birth of a child. Therefore, the suceso upon which the Law was focusing was the birth of the child. This was the buen suceso to be considered, with the necessary consequence of the purification.

    B. We know that Our Lady did not need purification because she was born without original sin and her virginal parturition was spared the normal conditions of other mothers. Consequently, she fulfilled the Law as a manifestation of her humility and obedience. For her, the good success was not to be purified since she was never impure, but the successful birth of her Child.

    C. In the Liturgical Year, the Feast of the Purification closes the Christmas season. The good news is still the Birth of Christ, this is the good success. If the Presentation were the good success, as the docuмent pretends, the Feast should start a new cycle instead of ending the Christmas cycle. Since this is not the case, the good success should be considered the Birth of Christ.

    D. For centuries pregnant women were inspired by grace to have recourse to Our Lady on this Feast Day of February 2, asking her to give them a happy delivery. The Feast of Candlemas, the Feast of Our Lady of Candelária, the Feast of Our Lady of the Light all represent a single devotion under different invocations asking the Virgin Mary on the same day for the same precise favor: to have a successful parturition. This traditional devotion seems to establish that the good success to which Our Lady referred when giving her title to Mother Mariana was the happy Birth of Our Lord.



    our lady oval
    The good success of Our Lady
    was the Birth of Our Lord
    Based on these facts, I have to say that it is particularly sad to see that, in a Convent of Conceptionist nuns who should be particularly turned toward the contemplation and admiration of the conception and birth of Christ, the Mother Abbess issued a public docuмent affirming to any and all readers that the reason Our Lady chose the title of good success is not based on the Birth of Christ, but on his Presentation.

    This seems to me so awkward that I am led to imagine that either the Mother Abbess did not read with close attention the docuмent she signed or she was obliged to issue it under obedience. Someone else would have given to her a docuмent she did not write for her to sign.

    Who would be this person? In the absence of material evidence, juridical tradition leads us to ask: Quo bono? Who benefits from that docuмent? I mentioned three persons acting together: the “good” Arch. Travez, who has obliged those nuns to do many other things against their will, the SSPX agent Liboro who is acting inside the Convent, and Fr. Adam Purdy, who is incessantly repeating in the U.S. the same awkward arguments of that docuмent.

    The common goals of these three persons were (a) to expel from the Convent the disciples of Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira who were in charge of moving the Statue of Our Lady of Good Success from the upper choir to the main altar of the Church, and (b) to take over this devotion in the United States.

    Continued

    I am not familiar with this it's gone over my head, can you summarise?

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    Re: +ABL and Our Lady of Good Success
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  • TIA is a Plinio-worshipping cult, an anti-Catholic anti-clerical heretical sect like it's sister organization (TFP) and a totally unreliable source.
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