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Offline cassini

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A question the Catholic Church needs to address
« on: April 19, 2024, 01:02:53 PM »
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  • ‘Satan uniquely entered the Catholic Church at some point over the last century, or even before. For over a century, the organizers of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Liberalism, and Modernism infiltrated the Catholic Church in order to change her doctrine, her liturgy, and her mission from something supernatural to something secular.’
    (Taylor Marshall, LifeSiteNews, October 4, 2019)

    I deliberately placed this subject in this category because of its importance . As many know I have studied the question of the Galileo case and the evolution that followed from it for many years now. Recently I have been re-reading Fr Paul Robinson SSPX book and websites that are so anti-Catholic that he, and many other priests since 1820, have been feeding Catholics with a false philosophy, even heresy, forbidden by the Church. If an atheist, who does not believe in God were to read these books, they would agree with their ‘science’ that really doesn’t need a God. Now when you have both priests and those who reject God exists agreeing on their science and doctrine of origins, then you must see what brought about the decline in Catholic belief over the centuries and continues to do so.
       
    I can now show Fr Robinson’s book The Realistic Guide to Religion and Science is perhaps the most anti-Catholic book on the subject I have ever read. His website is as bad, and I cannot believe he is allowed by the SSPX to offer such error in the name of Catholicism. But with popes like Pius VII, Pius XII and all popes  after Vatican II trying to make the natural Genesis creation Supernatural again, that is how they get away with their ‘intellectual pride.’

    The first question I ask readers on CIF is, how dogmatic is the Council of Trent’s teaching on Scripture when they ruled as follows?
    ‘Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgment in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’--- (Denzinger 786)

    In 1616, the above ruling of all of the fathers was given as the reason why Galileo’s fixed-sun moving-Earth solar system was heresy. It was also elevated to formal heresy because it was condemned before as heresy in the early years of the Church and again at Bruno’s trial in 1600. But as you all know, the Father of lies managed to fool important churchmen from 1741 that science had proven Galileo right and the Church wrong. By 1820, the heliocentrism heresy allowed without abrogation was an evolved one due to the 1796 Nebular theory, so popes of the time, and since then, did not condemn it, or Darwin’s book in 1859, lest evolution too would be proven true by science causing another embarrassing Galileo affair for them. By then ‘Biblical scholars’ were taking the Bible to bits, especially Genesis, causing a Modernism within Catholic teaching. 

    But then in 1871 and 1887 tests done with regard to a moving Earth found evidence that proved the geocentrism of the Bible, the Church of 1616 and 1633, and on for 1700 years, was never proven wrong. Einstein then tried to resurrect the heretical heliocentrism as a 50/50 scientific plausibility  All, science and churchmen, grabbed this 50/50 heliocentrism, took it for granted it was 100% scientific, and carried on as though the Church was proven wrong by science. Thus the Modernism it caused to Catholic belief continued.

    So, In order to try to stop the rot in Biblical meaning, Pope Leo XIII produced his encyclical Providentissimus Deus in 1889. In paragraph 18 Pope Leo XIII must have got caught up with the decision of his predecessors in 1741-1835 so added the following in his pastoral letter.

    18: To understand how just is the rule here formulated we must remember, first, that the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost “Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation” (St Augustine). Hence, they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time, and which in many instances are in daily use at this day, even by the most eminent men of science. Ordinary speech primarily and properly describes what comes under the senses; and somewhat in the same way the sacred writers, as the Angelic Doctor also reminds us, “went by what sensibly appeared,” or put down what God, speaking to men, signified, in the way men could understand and were accustomed to.’--- Providentissimus  Deus.

    From that moment on, that paragraph became the Catholic teaching on the Bible regarding Faith and Science and in particular the Galileo case. I could quote endless assertions to this over the last 100 years since then. In his book Fr Robinson states:

    ‘All of this is explained with perfect clarity and magisterial precision in Leo XIII encyclical  on Scripture Providentissimus Deus, a passage that lays out the Catholic Biblical science interpretive model: He then quotes paragraph 18 above to show that ‘Catholics are not required to believe that:
    • the universe is a certain age,
    • God created that universe in six days
    • the sun goes around the earth or vice versa, and so on.

    Now what the Catholic HISTORY OF FAITH AND SCIENCE has omitted is that in paragraph 14 before 18 of Providentissimus Deus, Pope Leo XIII ruled:

    ‘14. Mother Church has held and holds, whose prerogative it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of Scripture; and therefore, it is permitted to no one to interpret the Holy Scriptures against this sense, or even against the unanimous agreement of the Fathers.” By this very wise law the Church by no means retards or blocks the investigations of Biblical science, but rather keeps it free of error, and aids it very much in true progress.’ --- Ch 14, Providentissimus deus.

    So, in other words, Pope Leo XIII had already confirmed that the 1616 decree protecting the moving-sun revelation of Scripture was Catholic teaching. In paragraph 18 there is no reference to Galileo, sunset or sunrise, so cannot be attributed to the Galileo case as every Catholic book on the affair claims. There are other things in Scripture that it could apply to, like the ‘hands’ of God etc.

    Now if the Council of Trent’s Denzinger 786 rule above is dogmatic Catholic teaching, then geocentrism is of Catholic faith. Therefore all the evolutionary theories invented to show a heliocentric universe are anti-Catholic. Indeed because they are all based on a heliocentric universe, evolutionary theories are also heretical and false according to Catholic teaching.

    Indeed how in God's name did the supernatural Creation rules at the dogmatic Vatican Council I get lost. It confirmed the dogma on the supernatural Creation of the 1215 Lateran Council IV.

    ‘All that exists outside God was, in its whole substance, produced
    out of nothing by God. (De fide.) (Vatican Council I, 1870)

    ‘Substance,’ we know from classic philosophy means, ‘what something is,’ all finished, and not what something is becoming or can become as evolution claims. But since the 1820 volte-face, even this supernatural dogma had to be modernised.

    Believe it or not, that is how the supernatural religion of Catholicism became a natural religion that led millions of souls into Hell. I will finish off with a quote that says it all.

    ‘But unbelief in the story of Bethlehem – and with it, unbelief in Christianity itself – is different in kind from unbelief in, let us say, Judaism or Islam or Buddhism. For those who were in the vanguard of destroying the Christian faith over the past 200 years were not the tiny handful of atheist philosophers and agnostic scientists. It was the Christians themselves. That is what is unique about the collapse of Christianity, as opposed to the problems of the other world religions. Christianity will decline yet further in the next thousand years, decline I would predict to the point of near-extinction, because Christians themselves no longer believe it true.’-- A. N. Wilson,---  writer and historian, Daily Express, Oct. 21, 1999, ps.44


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    Re: A question the Catholic Church needs to address
    « Reply #1 on: April 19, 2024, 01:26:30 PM »
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  • I can now show Fr Robinson’s book The Realistic Guide to Religion and Science is perhaps the most anti-Catholic book on the subject I have ever read. His website is as bad, and I cannot believe he is allowed by the SSPX to offer such error in the name of Catholicism. But with popes like Pius VII, Pius XII and all popes  after Vatican II trying to make the natural Genesis creation Supernatural again, that is how they get away with their ‘intellectual pride.’

    Agreed.  I've called Fr. Robinson out as a Modernist heretic for his views, and the fact that SSPX promotes this garbage is yet another sign of the demise of that formerly-great organization.  I knew so many young men in Jesuit schools (High School and University) who lost the faith precisely on account of this Modernist-heretical view of Sacred Scripture.  This is precisely where the Modernists got their start, in attacking Sacred Scripture.

    Not only does the SSPX "allow" Fr. Robinson to publish this trash, they have been ACTIVELY PROMOTING it.

    But despite all the SSPX's claims to be an anti-Modernist organization, it would seem they don't even understand what Modernism is.  Do they even teach about Modernism at their seminaries anymore?


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    Re: A question the Catholic Church needs to address
    « Reply #2 on: April 19, 2024, 01:48:58 PM »
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  • ... and what makes this so much worse is that these ideas are coming from a man who otherwise poses as a Traditional Catholic priest who's allegedly opposed to Modernism, and promoted by an organizations whose very raison d'etre rests on opposition to Modernism.  So you could have many Traditional Catholics imbibing this poison as a result, whereas if it had been coming from your local Novus Ordo presbyter or diocesan "bishop", it would have been readily dismissed for what it is, Modernist heresy.

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    Re: A question the Catholic Church needs to address
    « Reply #3 on: April 19, 2024, 02:08:00 PM »
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  • What other Society priests are allowed to have their own website? The guy is everywhere!

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    Re: A question the Catholic Church needs to address
    « Reply #4 on: April 19, 2024, 03:44:41 PM »
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  • When Angelus Press published Fr Robinson’s book some years ago, one of our brave Canadian priests, Father Gerard Rusak, published a scathing review on the Angelus Press website. I know Father Rusak. He is an old guard SSPX priest.  Review below:

    While Father Robinson excels on philosophical points in the first six chapters of his book (1 star), he accepts the unproven hypotheses of the Big Bang (with its long ages needed for evolution) and he rashly embraces heliocentrism. Meanwhile, he brushes aside those who do not agree with him using insufficient arguments (see below). His interpretation of the Bible is more in accord with a liberal interpretation of Vatican II's Dei Verbum #11 rather than with the traditional teaching of the Church on the inerrant nature of Holy Scripture. This allows him to pick and choose among facts related in the book of Genesis and elsewhere in the Bible. He also ignores the longstanding the decrees of the Church against Galileo and the unanimous teaching of the Fathers of the Church these same questions. On these last issues, his insufficient arguments have been completely refuted by a book by Robert Sungenis: "Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church" (564 pages). 

    I thank the Angelus Press in advance for posting this review and request them to add to their list of books the above book of Robert Sungenis so that both sides of the question may be heard. Or should they not wish to do so, to withdraw Father Robinson's book from sale from this their website.
    I may add that I know other SSPX priests and faithful like myself who are shocked at the publication of this book for at least some if not all, of the above reasons.
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    Re: A question the Catholic Church needs to address
    « Reply #5 on: April 19, 2024, 03:48:46 PM »
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  • I also want to make an interesting observation here. Unlike Father Robinson, Father Rusak has virtually zero online presence. If you search the man up online, you’re hard pressed to even find an image of him. He hasn’t been featured on any podcasts or SSPX websites, he is the prior of a small, “backwater” SSPX priory while Fr Robison is in charge of a massive church and school. Yet Fr Rusak was ordained in the 80’s. Hmmm let’s think about why that might be?!?

    I have utmost respect for Fr Rusak. Every year he drives for days at a time into the Canadian arctic to offer Masses for handfuls of people. 
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    Re: A question the Catholic Church needs to address
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  • ‘All that exists outside God was, in its whole substance, produced
    out of nothing by God. (De fide.) (Vatican Council I, 1870)

    ‘Substance,’ we know from classic philosophy means, ‘what something is,’ all finished, and not what something is becoming or can become as evolution claims. But since the 1820 volte-face, even this supernatural dogma had to be modernised.
    How does substance relate to matter and form? How does matter and form differ when comparing large and small things, composed and elemental?
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