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Offline Emitte Lucem Tuam

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Re: A New Crusade
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2017, 08:06:46 PM »
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    • You know, I keep hearing from those (mostly neo-con worry-warts) who want insight into who, what, where, when and even how -  SHTF.  There is no INSIGHT when SHTF.  When the SHTF you are responsible for YOU and YOUR FAMILY - PERIOD!!!  You do everything that a Catholic Christian is bound to be morally right in order to preserve you, your family and your country (or your little piece of country - wherever that may be).  I am sick and tired of hearing doomsday this and doomsday that from my fellow neo-con traditional Catholics...if you are faithful to Our Lord & His Church and have any semblance of self preservation for you and your family, there should be NO hesitation, fear, regrets, or hand wringing.  Be a faithful man (or a faithful woman) to your family and you will have no need of worrying about "this or that" of the world.  Follow in our Lady's footsteps and you'll never be led to destruction.
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    Offline Student of Qi

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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #16 on: June 17, 2017, 08:12:09 PM »
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    • "War is most sweet to those who have never known it." - Vegetius (?)

    I honestly think they will remain in existence, because there are a number of young men with a desire for another holy war, itching for a fight. Look at folks like Franciscan Solitary! Would you find him there?  I don't know, some talk and don't act, while some act but don't talk and others who do both. One only knows how one shall react when finally in the situation. Look at all the opressed people in Europe, either they stand and fight, or lay down and die. Look at all the Christians persecuted in the world. When you press people down it is like a spring, the more pressure is applied the harder it shall spring back at you.

    There is another quote, by whom it is forgotten, which goes: "Men grow tired of Love, singing, dancing, peace, and all else before war." 

    It is hard to comprehend this endeavor failing completely.


    On another subject: I wonder what kind of flag/s will they use for combat? Austria-Hungary used to have a flag in every army with a picture of the Blessed Virgen on it. Other military groups throughout history have done similar things too. 
    They better not have some funky NO "art" on their uniforms...
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #17 on: June 17, 2017, 09:25:20 PM »
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    • Is this Novus Ordo - or Indult related?  Isn't this the Brother who wrote against Fr.  Wathen and The Great Sacrilege? 
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #18 on: June 18, 2017, 03:42:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on June 17, 2017, 09:25:20 PM
    Is this Novus Ordo - or Indult related?  Isn't this the Brother who wrote against Fr.  Wathen and The Great Sacrilege?
    Not sure if Brother is NO or not, but yes, he is the same one. One thing to note however is that he did come back some years later and retracted his critique of the Great Sacrilege and admitted Fr. Wathen was right. Kudos to him for that.
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #19 on: June 19, 2017, 03:30:52 AM »
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    • I finally got some time to watch all three videos, and this effort sounds great.
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #20 on: June 26, 2017, 05:30:30 AM »
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    BEWARE OF ALEXIS BUGNOLO - DON'T GIVE THIS FRAUD YOUR MONEY

    "Br." Alexis Bugnolo would have you believe that he is a Franciscan Friar, a traditional Catholic, an intellectual and deeply interested in the conflict in the middle east and other causes. Unfortunately non of this is true. Bugnolo set up a "house of formation in Rome" a few years ago and we got to know him quite well.

    HE IS NOT A FRANCISCAN. He was ejected from the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the 1990s without vows, but he tells people that he is a Franciscan or when pressed an "independent Franciscan hermit with tactit approval from the Holy Father." That was abolished centuries ago. One cannot just abide by the rule of St. Francis and say that he is a Franciscan.

    HE IS NOT AN INTELLECTUAL. He holds no degrees other than perhaps a BA.

    THIS IS NOT HIS FIRST START-UP. Here in Rome Bugnolo's "house of formation" failed because Bugnolo could not get along with others. He received at least one young man for formation, but did not get along with him, and TURNED HIM OUT without appeal or due process. Of course there can be no due process with Bugnolo because he is not a part of the Chruch structure. The SSPX and even the extreme traditionalists have superiors and by-laws and constitutions. Bugnolo, however, lives life on a whim and everyone must follow his lead. Bugnolo also start the Scholasticuм, an online program for studying Thomistic Philosophy. It seems he bamboozled several professors, but as far as the website shows, no classes ever took place. Now Bugnolo has turned to Ordo Militaris as his new initiative by which he can garner some sense of legitimacy for his irregular life. He once hoped to start his own religious order, but given his mental instability, I hope he has realized that no one will ever grant him such authority and no one will follow him.

    HE IS NOT A TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC. Bugnolo tells traddies that he is one of them whenever he can so that he can play the cleric and enjoy all their deference. In reality though Bugnolo attends the NO and communes with Bishops and monks that he ridicules. He'll claim that he is a traditionalist but he doesn't even say the traditional Divine Office!

    Bugnolo has some rich family member who supports his pet projects. He has not distinguished himself in learning or piety. Please don't give this bozo your money and certainly DO NOT attempt to go fight with him in his imaginary army. For if you were ever to get to the front lines he would be onto his next project and leave you in the lurch just like he did to a young man in Rome. In your charity, starve the beast until he recognizes his own deceit and finally either retires to an actual Franciscan community or gets a day job to support himself without a Franciscan pretense. Supporting and enabling vagrant imposters is bad for the Catholic Church, and, if you do so knowingly, it is bad for your soul too.

    Mike, you have some great programming. I'm sorry that you got cat-fished.
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #21 on: June 26, 2017, 11:02:00 AM »
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    • great Post.
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #22 on: June 26, 2017, 07:39:27 PM »
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    • Thank you Laramie!
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #23 on: June 26, 2017, 09:46:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on June 26, 2017, 07:39:27 PM
    Thank you Laramie!
    I was having trouble typing into the whitespace on Cathinfo last night for whatever reason, so I could only copy and paste without an explanation.  

    That comment came from one of the three videos--off of Youtube.  

    So, who am I to believe.  This supposed friar?  Or a random charge in a comment box?  

    I'm definitely investigating this.  If it's real, I am wanting to promote it.  I've tried calling the number, but there has been no answer thus far. 
     
    If this guy were serious, you think he would try to make himself more accessible.  Regular Youtube videos discussing the importance of his initiative, an e-mail address you could write to if you had questions, or a Facebook page.  But no.  This guy is somewhat inaccessible and difficult to pin down.  Smells like a fraud.  Especially when I consider, how in his talks, he discusses how the organization could be funded in part through buying stocks of his organization.  

    I'm afraid it's turning out to be a dud.  The idea is noble.  But this guy is putting a bad name on such an idea.  I'm going to continue to try to contact this friar.  I will put these accusations to him to see what he has to say to them.  
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #24 on: June 26, 2017, 11:40:21 PM »
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    • Honestly this seems like a great way to end up on an FBI watch list and perhaps waste your money and that's about it. To start lets take a step back and assess what a tremendous failure the original crusades were and back then the Crusaders had entire nations backing them and the authority of the papacy, they also had the Byzantine Empire to at least allow them to arrive safely. If this proposed Crusade takes place how will they arrive? I sincerely doubt any nation with an airport functioning is just going to allow you to land an army in their back yard. Couple that with none of these men knowing the region and are entirely unknown to the locals. Not to mention that foreign intervention has always since the dawn of time made the Middle East worse. If you honestly care about Christians in the Middle East you're better off flying into Egypt and try tracking down one of the already existing militia groups. 


    The bottom line is this, a crusade involves a flood of foreigners into lands they do not know, to protect people that do not know them for a cause no one is sure of. Not to mention such an influx is likely to piss off local nations and the people. On top of these we live in a secular world and absolutely no secular power is going to allow you to get anything done. 

    I hope this is nothing more than a feverish dream because any organized foreign Catholic Crusade is going to accomplish nothing but widowed wives and fatherless children. Your efforts would be better spent preaching at home and trying to revive the shadow that was Catholicism instead of going halfway across the world to wage an ill conceived campaign.


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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #25 on: June 27, 2017, 12:11:53 AM »
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    • I up voted your post, Anon. But, you seem to lack that "quality" men tend to have that makes them dream of heroic deeds and vicious wars but still living through it. Of course, one can object we are already doing this on a more spiretual level, and that the heroism is in the blessed monotony of our principals... after all, the simplest things are the hardest to accomplish.

    In any case, as I stated above, this organisation is not going to simply disappear. Young men especially have a lust for violence (at least as far as I know them, including myself) because it is immortalised and made so romantic in our history books and folk tales. If they can't join and fight they will give monetary means to support the fight! Even if this is indeed fraud, it will be supported because it allows people to dream... for better or worse.
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    Re: A New Crusade
    « Reply #26 on: July 16, 2017, 07:40:52 AM »
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    • Does Alexis Bugnolo have a religious superior?
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