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Title: A New Crusade
Post by: Nadir on June 14, 2017, 01:06:30 AM


Just now I received an email from a friend and it surprised me. I wonder what other people here think about it? 

 A letter from Br. Alexis Bugnolo -- Ordo Militaris Catholicus

 



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Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus,
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Which of us could not have been shocked to our soul at the brutal atrocities committed against Christians and innocents in recent weeks: in Egypt, London and Manchester. So many lives snuffed out by bombs and knives and guns, for no other reason they were Christians or considered to be "Crusaders" by evil Islamic Jihadis.
As is becoming increasingly evident, many world leaders have preferred to blind themselves to the thread of Islamic Jihad, than react like human beings with compassion and righteous anger to take steps to prevent these attacks.
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In addition, it was recently revealed by the publication of the cabals of the foreign ministry of Saudi Arabia, than that nation and Israel have been in an alliance by all means to destroy Syria, and thus have actively sought to support the rebels in Syria or do nothing against them, even though they along with ISIS are guilty of slaughtering 10s of thousands of Christians and destroying hundreds of churches. An alliance, to which as a US citizen I am ashamed to admit, the US joined under the previous administration and to which it in part still participates.
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After the brutal slaughter of Father Jacques Hamel last summer, I found myself in the Church of St Francis of Assisi at Bagnoregio, Italy, contemplating how much our civil leaders have done next to nothing to defend Catholics from slaughter by Jihadis. I asked the Lord what to do, how the world needed a Christian military force to defend His people, and it seemed to me that He said to me:  Go and gather them up you will find them.

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During the last 10 months, with a small band of volunteers at my side on social media, I have been pleading day and night for the funds, men and land to put together, in a legal way, such a force.

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Now more than ever, this inspiration appears to be so necessary for the modern world. And Our Lord in His Providence has spread this desire to hearts round the world. We now have volunteers actively seeking making foundations of the Order in Poland, Italy, Portugal, and Australia. We have also begun a security initiative for the people of London.
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The Order is in reality an apostolate, which by joining together in allied organizations round the world, seeks to build a sort of international fortress against Christian persecution.   In such an organization, we are inspired by the Catholics of old, who at the call of Blessed Pope Urban II, left family and country to go overseas to defend their brothers in Christ whom they had never met, and to do this in penance for their own sins, and out of love of Christ Crucified who said, Greater Love No Man Hath, than to lay down his life for his friends!
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There is still great work ahead of us, despite of the fact that the Order has grown from 1 little Franciscan brother on his knees to more than 90 volunteers, donors and members world wide.
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Our current projects, in addition to the London Anti-Terrorism Self Defence Centre campaign which, God willing will begin shortly (see the team member page for UK residents at http://ukdefenceleague.blogspot.com/ (http://ukdefenceleague.blogspot.com/) ) is the opening of our HQ in Montana (we had to move to avoid WY conflict in law against PMCs with membership orgs), opening a Basic Combat Training Camp, getting licensed to export defense and security services from the US Department of State, and putting together a training team for Basic Training, from among the several veterans who have contacted us and are willing to work with out organization.

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The work ahead requires above all that we join together in prayers. For this reason I have had 3 priests offer the Mass for the intentions of all of the members and donors and volunteers, and will continue to do so on each feast day of one of our many Patron saints (https://www.ordo-militaris.us/our-patron-saints/ (https://www.ordo-militaris.us/our-patron-saints/)).
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Second, our greatest need at present is to grow membership, because we need many more members than 80, to support the soldiers we intend to send on missions of defense and security, or to found centres for anti terrorism defense in different countries.

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Here, I would thank all of you who have made a donation or already become a member. If you have only made a donation, think of also helping with a monthly pledge (https://www.ordo-miltiaris.us/donate (https://www.ordo-miltiaris.us/donate)) we have membership levels which start at $1 a month and go up to $1000 a month, each of which can be pledged on line with our Donations page.

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For this reason, the need to expand membership, I ask if everyone make it a point this year to talk to friends and family about the Order, and to commit to recruiting new members each week.

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Third, as we compile lists of veterans who want to work with us and raw recruits who want to train with us to revive the spirit of the Crusaders of old in the Christian military profession, we need to do what we can to raise the funds to outfit and train them.  Basic equipment, supplies and transport will cost $10000 per soldier for even simple security missions lasting 3 months. 
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Finally, for those who have been blessed by the Lord and want to put some of that to work in defending Christ's little sheep, I ask you to take a look at our investments page (https://www.ordo-militaris.us/invest (https://www.ordo-militaris.us/invest)) and download for 1 penny, one or both of our stock prospectuses which are dedicated to capital investments for HQ and properties which the Order can use to operate and train men before sending them on missions.  For our training camp we need at least housing for 20 men, while they train at facilities in the area, or about 300 to 500 acres if we want to do everything on our own land. Our own base would require in addition about $50000 in equipment.

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At present after all the legal expenses, website costs and office expenses, the Order Militaris Inc. in MT has only about $6000 in the bank and monthly pledges totally about $1100. We have sold 2 shares of Y class stock. So we are yet a long way off from being ready to send out on mission even small groups of soldiers, BUT with your help we can get closer to that goal and reach it!

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Be assured of my prayers and THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart, for heeding my calls to help Christians defend themselves against slaughter. LET US OPEN OUR HEARTS IN PITY FOR THEM by joining in this great work of Mercy for them!

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In Christ Jesus, may He bless each of you, forever.

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Sincerely in Christ,

Br. Alexis Bugnolo
President
Ordo Militaris, Inc.
302 N. Last Chance Gulch, Suite 403 PMB
Helena, MT, 59601
U.S.A.

Phone: +1 (406) 300-4045               Skype:  Ordo.Militaris                  Twitter:  @MilitarisCath

Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Student of Qi on June 14, 2017, 03:13:22 AM
Deus Vault!!!

Who knows, depending on how things go over the next several months, I might seriously consider joining!
If this is for real, what joy it brings to read these words!

One of the best places for them to get started up right now is Poland. They have a LOT of independent militias - which, when ready become an extension of the military- training and drilling all over the place, mostly comprised of young men (even those still in school). They are rather popular, so I would presume recruits and support would not be lacking. 

I've heard Russia is picking up on the trend too...
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Motorede on June 14, 2017, 06:16:06 AM
Deus Vault!!!

Who knows, depending on how things go over the next several months, I might seriously consider joining!
If this is for real, what joy it brings to read these words!

One of the best places for them to get started up right now is Poland. They have a LOT of independent militias - which, when ready become an extension of the military- training and drilling all over the place, mostly comprised of young men (even those still in school). They are rather popular, so I would presume recruits and support would not be lacking.

I've heard Russia is picking up on the trend too...
Correction to your Deus Vault: Deus Vult.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: songbird on June 14, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
You best know who these other organizations are!!  You are going see a lot of this.  Don't get me wrong, it is horrendous blood shed.  And know this, Christians are not aways catholics.  

There are organizations that can take you for your money, and pocket it, can abuse it.  Just take one: Catholic Charities and you know the dioceses are going to get into this BIG Time.  And know this, Dioceses are Masons.  You best really do your homework before jumping on the band wagon.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Nadir on June 14, 2017, 09:50:53 PM
You best know who these other organizations are!!  
What other organisations? I only asked for opinions on Ordo Militaris.  Their website is https://www.ordo-militaris.us Did you check it out? 
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: songbird on June 15, 2017, 05:36:04 PM
I went to both sites. The funding takes on others, Incorporation.  correct?  I was disturbed by UKDefense League.  It states on that site that The Centre will be funded by Crowdfounder campaigning, correct.  I found that Crowdfounder campaigning is into many projects, one being HIV and condoms and such.

I went to the other site with Brother Alexis Bugnolo and I read for awhile to get the idea of training soldiers and such, is that correct?  I need to see who the other corporations or partnerships are.  Very hard getting that on this site.

I will continue to search.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: songbird on June 15, 2017, 05:42:27 PM
Two web sites appeared in the letter.  Then I leave the post and come back and the www. sites are not in the letter.  I don't know why, but it is like first you see it then you don't. ?
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Nadir on June 15, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Songbird, the two websites that appear in the letter are the same organisation - one being the U.K. offshoot of the U.S. original. 
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You need to scroll down on the right side of the quote box to see the whole of the letter. The hiddden part contains the website.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: LaramieHirsch on June 15, 2017, 08:01:40 PM
If this organization is real and legitimate, I would be interested in promoting it.  Do they train fighters?  Or are they all talk?
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Nadir on June 15, 2017, 08:23:54 PM
If this organization is real and legitimate, I would be interested in promoting it.  Do they train fighters?  Or are they all talk?
Ask them! I know no more than you do. But I knew you'd be interested.

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In the USA, All Correspondence to the Private Military Corporation, Ordo Militaris, Inc., should be directed to:
Ordo Militaris, Inc.
302 N. Last Chance Gulch, Suite 403 PMB
Helena, MT, 59601
U.S.A.

Phone: +1 (406) 300-4045               Skype:  Ordo.Militaris                  Twitter:  @Ordo_Militaris
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Poland:
In Poland, All Correspondence to the Religious Association, Ordo Militaris Catholicus, should be directed to:
CHZR KAPITULA POLSKA
ul. Legnicka 30
skr. poczt. 1181

53-675 Wroclaw 44
Poland

Phone: +48 600 526 087                                                                          Twitter:  @OrdoMilitarisRP

Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: songbird on June 15, 2017, 08:41:26 PM
United Kingdom Defense League is funded by Crowdfunder campaigning.  On their site I looked for typed in the League full name and it gave no results.  Now, this Crowdfunder is a very large group.  It takes care of many groups and that includes anybody like Pro-choice and such.  Just be sure they do have your group listed and to make sure your money is going into the right till, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: LaramieHirsch on June 16, 2017, 05:11:14 AM

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We have also begun a security initiative...



What, exactly, is a "security initiative?"  They say this a lot in their mission.  I'm currently unable to watch through their mission videos.  However, I was able to watch the first few minutes of one.  The monk carried on about Queen Elizabeth and English Recusant musical compositions.  Seemed...uninspiring.  Are they serious or not, I wonder.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: nctradcath on June 16, 2017, 06:49:16 AM
It sound like a nut who is cosplaying. I wouldn't get involved in such nonsense.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Stubborn on June 16, 2017, 07:11:19 AM
My opinion is that while the gesture is noble and possibly could provide pockets of a temporary stay, it is ultimately futile.

What scares me is that what is going on over there now is coming to the USA, hopefully not in my lifetime.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: songbird on June 17, 2017, 07:28:44 PM
Our family being military for 20 years, we see good thoughts, but futile.  When there is war, countries can decide who comes in and who can flee. Then what?
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Emitte Lucem Tuam on June 17, 2017, 08:06:46 PM
You know, I keep hearing from those (mostly neo-con worry-warts) who want insight into who, what, where, when and even how -  SHTF.  There is no INSIGHT when SHTF.  When the SHTF you are responsible for YOU and YOUR FAMILY - PERIOD!!!  You do everything that a Catholic Christian is bound to be morally right in order to preserve you, your family and your country (or your little piece of country - wherever that may be).  I am sick and tired of hearing doomsday this and doomsday that from my fellow neo-con traditional Catholics...if you are faithful to Our Lord & His Church and have any semblance of self preservation for you and your family, there should be NO hesitation, fear, regrets, or hand wringing.  Be a faithful man (or a faithful woman) to your family and you will have no need of worrying about "this or that" of the world.  Follow in our Lady's footsteps and you'll never be led to destruction.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Student of Qi on June 17, 2017, 08:12:09 PM
"War is most sweet to those who have never known it." - Vegetius (?)

I honestly think they will remain in existence, because there are a number of young men with a desire for another holy war, itching for a fight. Look at folks like Franciscan Solitary! Would you find him there?  I don't know, some talk and don't act, while some act but don't talk and others who do both. One only knows how one shall react when finally in the situation. Look at all the opressed people in Europe, either they stand and fight, or lay down and die. Look at all the Christians persecuted in the world. When you press people down it is like a spring, the more pressure is applied the harder it shall spring back at you.

There is another quote, by whom it is forgotten, which goes: "Men grow tired of Love, singing, dancing, peace, and all else before war." 

It is hard to comprehend this endeavor failing completely.


On another subject: I wonder what kind of flag/s will they use for combat? Austria-Hungary used to have a flag in every army with a picture of the Blessed Virgen on it. Other military groups throughout history have done similar things too. 
They better not have some funky NO "art" on their uniforms...
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: OldMerry on June 17, 2017, 09:25:20 PM
Is this Novus Ordo - or Indult related?  Isn't this the Brother who wrote against Fr.  Wathen and The Great Sacrilege? 
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Stubborn on June 18, 2017, 03:42:18 PM
Is this Novus Ordo - or Indult related?  Isn't this the Brother who wrote against Fr.  Wathen and The Great Sacrilege?
Not sure if Brother is NO or not, but yes, he is the same one. One thing to note however is that he did come back some years later and retracted his critique of the Great Sacrilege and admitted Fr. Wathen was right. Kudos to him for that.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: LaramieHirsch on June 19, 2017, 03:30:52 AM
I finally got some time to watch all three videos, and this effort sounds great.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: LaramieHirsch on June 26, 2017, 05:30:30 AM

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BEWARE OF ALEXIS BUGNOLO - DON'T GIVE THIS FRAUD YOUR MONEY

"Br." Alexis Bugnolo would have you believe that he is a Franciscan Friar, a traditional Catholic, an intellectual and deeply interested in the conflict in the middle east and other causes. Unfortunately non of this is true. Bugnolo set up a "house of formation in Rome" a few years ago and we got to know him quite well.

HE IS NOT A FRANCISCAN. He was ejected from the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the 1990s without vows, but he tells people that he is a Franciscan or when pressed an "independent Franciscan hermit with tactit approval from the Holy Father." That was abolished centuries ago. One cannot just abide by the rule of St. Francis and say that he is a Franciscan.

HE IS NOT AN INTELLECTUAL. He holds no degrees other than perhaps a BA.

THIS IS NOT HIS FIRST START-UP. Here in Rome Bugnolo's "house of formation" failed because Bugnolo could not get along with others. He received at least one young man for formation, but did not get along with him, and TURNED HIM OUT without appeal or due process. Of course there can be no due process with Bugnolo because he is not a part of the Chruch structure. The SSPX and even the extreme traditionalists have superiors and by-laws and constitutions. Bugnolo, however, lives life on a whim and everyone must follow his lead. Bugnolo also start the Scholasticuм, an online program for studying Thomistic Philosophy. It seems he bamboozled several professors, but as far as the website shows, no classes ever took place. Now Bugnolo has turned to Ordo Militaris as his new initiative by which he can garner some sense of legitimacy for his irregular life. He once hoped to start his own religious order, but given his mental instability, I hope he has realized that no one will ever grant him such authority and no one will follow him.

HE IS NOT A TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC. Bugnolo tells traddies that he is one of them whenever he can so that he can play the cleric and enjoy all their deference. In reality though Bugnolo attends the NO and communes with Bishops and monks that he ridicules. He'll claim that he is a traditionalist but he doesn't even say the traditional Divine Office!

Bugnolo has some rich family member who supports his pet projects. He has not distinguished himself in learning or piety. Please don't give this bozo your money and certainly DO NOT attempt to go fight with him in his imaginary army. For if you were ever to get to the front lines he would be onto his next project and leave you in the lurch just like he did to a young man in Rome. In your charity, starve the beast until he recognizes his own deceit and finally either retires to an actual Franciscan community or gets a day job to support himself without a Franciscan pretense. Supporting and enabling vagrant imposters is bad for the Catholic Church, and, if you do so knowingly, it is bad for your soul too.

Mike, you have some great programming. I'm sorry that you got cat-fished.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: nctradcath on June 26, 2017, 11:02:00 AM
great Post.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: songbird on June 26, 2017, 07:39:27 PM
Thank you Laramie!
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: LaramieHirsch on June 26, 2017, 09:46:59 PM
Thank you Laramie!
I was having trouble typing into the whitespace on Cathinfo last night for whatever reason, so I could only copy and paste without an explanation.  

That comment came from one of the three videos--off of Youtube.  

So, who am I to believe.  This supposed friar?  Or a random charge in a comment box?  

I'm definitely investigating this.  If it's real, I am wanting to promote it.  I've tried calling the number, but there has been no answer thus far. 
 
If this guy were serious, you think he would try to make himself more accessible.  Regular Youtube videos discussing the importance of his initiative, an e-mail address you could write to if you had questions, or a Facebook page.  But no.  This guy is somewhat inaccessible and difficult to pin down.  Smells like a fraud.  Especially when I consider, how in his talks, he discusses how the organization could be funded in part through buying stocks of his organization.  

I'm afraid it's turning out to be a dud.  The idea is noble.  But this guy is putting a bad name on such an idea.  I'm going to continue to try to contact this friar.  I will put these accusations to him to see what he has to say to them.  
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on June 26, 2017, 11:40:21 PM


Honestly this seems like a great way to end up on an FBI watch list and perhaps waste your money and that's about it. To start lets take a step back and assess what a tremendous failure the original crusades were and back then the Crusaders had entire nations backing them and the authority of the papacy, they also had the Byzantine Empire to at least allow them to arrive safely. If this proposed Crusade takes place how will they arrive? I sincerely doubt any nation with an airport functioning is just going to allow you to land an army in their back yard. Couple that with none of these men knowing the region and are entirely unknown to the locals. Not to mention that foreign intervention has always since the dawn of time made the Middle East worse. If you honestly care about Christians in the Middle East you're better off flying into Egypt and try tracking down one of the already existing militia groups. 


The bottom line is this, a crusade involves a flood of foreigners into lands they do not know, to protect people that do not know them for a cause no one is sure of. Not to mention such an influx is likely to piss off local nations and the people. On top of these we live in a secular world and absolutely no secular power is going to allow you to get anything done. 

I hope this is nothing more than a feverish dream because any organized foreign Catholic Crusade is going to accomplish nothing but widowed wives and fatherless children. Your efforts would be better spent preaching at home and trying to revive the shadow that was Catholicism instead of going halfway across the world to wage an ill conceived campaign.


Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: Student of Qi on June 27, 2017, 12:11:53 AM
I up voted your post, Anon. But, you seem to lack that "quality" men tend to have that makes them dream of heroic deeds and vicious wars but still living through it. Of course, one can object we are already doing this on a more spiretual level, and that the heroism is in the blessed monotony of our principals... after all, the simplest things are the hardest to accomplish.

In any case, as I stated above, this organisation is not going to simply disappear. Young men especially have a lust for violence (at least as far as I know them, including myself) because it is immortalised and made so romantic in our history books and folk tales. If they can't join and fight they will give monetary means to support the fight! Even if this is indeed fraud, it will be supported because it allows people to dream... for better or worse.
Title: Re: A New Crusade
Post by: JohnAnthonyMarie on July 16, 2017, 07:40:52 AM
Does Alexis Bugnolo have a religious superior?