Author Topic: A few questions for Jehanne (Read 958 times)

Traditional Guy 20 · « **on:** October 18, 2013, 04:12:15 PM »

I have a few questions for Jehanne regarding his political philosophy...

Do you support the use of the strike to disrupt the national prosperity and safety?

Do you support the use of contraception?

Do you support women in the labor force?

Do you acknowledge that some of those in life are more able to succeed (i.e. have more talent and ability) than others?

Do you support internationalism or nationalism?

Do you see work as a good thing for the worker or do you see it as degredation?

Do you acknowledge that minorities seem to have no problem with a large welfare state?

Do you feel envious towards those who have a superior position than you?

Do you acknowledge that private property and an attractable market must be protected?

Do you see our immoral climate as much more important to combat than any obsession with economics?

Jehanne · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2013, 10:01:36 PM »

1. I believe that the idea form of government is that of a Catholic monarchy. At heart I am a complete and total feudalist. I do not believe in capitalism but in vassalage. I reject capitalism as being a pagan economic and political system derived from the deistic and atheistic Enlightenment. As for strikes, I think that it is lawful and moral to resist any ruler who is tyrannical, but as long as individuals have their subsistence needs being met, they have no moral right to strike.

2. As for contraception, no, I hold it to be intrinsically evil, immoral and gravely sinful without exception, the sole and only "exception" being periodic abstinence due to grave reasons alone and with the consent of both husband and wife.

3. As for women working, no, they should be in the home, at least without grave reason. The should act and dress according to their sex and station in life, and should submit and obey their husbands.

4. As for "success in life," yes, some are more capable than others, and, hence, should benefit more than others; however, as the ultimate and absolute good in life is eternal life, in the end, that is what really matters and not success in this life.

5. I do not support nationalism nor internationalism, but solely, the Kingship of our Lord Jesus Christ; only with His reign, can their be any hope for peace for this World, which means the conversion of every human being, without exception, to the One True Faith, Roman Catholicism, outside of which there is no salvation.

6. Of course, individuals should work. (Duh.) As long as individuals are able to make a decent wage to support a minimal standard of living, yes, they should be definitively working. The exceptions would be for the disabled, amputees, blind, etc., although, they should work in those jobs, if any, which are able to accommodate them. Otherwise, they should receive SSI and/or other disability benefits.

7. As for the "welfare state," such has, beyond any doubt whatsoever, been a benefit to large families (large Catholic families, in particular), so it is not an "either/or" thing. In the Middle Ages, Catholic monarchs would insist and mandate alms being given to the poor. Having said that, it is simply undeniable that there is discrimination in our pagan society, one, which I believe, no God-fearing Catholic monarch would tolerate. In any case, any welfare system which allows for "more souls for Heaven" is, in my opinion, a good thing, at least in general. It is certainly not intrinsically evil. Traditional Catholics, in my opinion, should encourage any system which allows women to have more children, not fewer!

8. No, I do not feel envious towards anyone; in fact, extreme beauty, talent, and riches may, for some, be detrimental to their quest for everlasting life, which, for me (and, for everyone else), is what ultimately matters.

9. I support at least some limited private property. As I said above, the vassal should be in charge of his land, subject to his lord, the King.

10. The highest good is the Catholic faith and morality and the unique right of the One True Church, the Catholic Church, to spread the Good News of Jesus Christ. All other issues are secondary.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2013, 11:44:28 PM »

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1. I believe that the idea form of government is that of a Catholic monarchy. At heart I am a complete and total feudalist. I do not believe in capitalism but in vassalage. I reject capitalism as being a pagan economic and political system derived from the deistic and atheistic Enlightenment. As for strikes, I think that it is lawful and moral to resist any ruler who is tyrannical, but as long as individuals have their subsistence needs being met, they have no moral right to strike.

The strike can also disrupt the national safety and security and therefore one does not have a "right to strike." My economic views on some notes get away from liberalism in that I am a protectionist, I support some regulations, I support a living wage, I reject women in the labor force, etc. The leaders of global capitalism who see women as liberated from husbands and family and put into the workforce have the same view as the fathers of global communism. Freidrich Engels said the same thing.

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2. As for contraception, no, I hold it to be intrinsically evil, immoral and gravely sinful without exception, the sole and only "exception" being periodic abstinence due to grave reasons alone and with the consent of both husband and wife.

Of course contraception is evil, but I don't support any as I support large families (for those of European descent anyway).

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3. As for women working, no, they should be in the home, at least without grave reason. The should act and dress according to their sex and station in life, and should submit and obey their husbands.

How patriarchal and sexist of you. :wink:

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4. As for "success in life," yes, some are more capable than others, and, hence, should benefit more than others; however, as the ultimate and absolute good in life is eternal life, in the end, that is what really matters and not success in this life.

Well of course God made all of us good but in terms of secular life we subscribe the the egalitarian notion that every child deserves the same kind of education and do not stir the talent and ability. For instance one of the reasons that schools are failing is that Blacks and Hispanics have lower IQs and they've had to dumb everything down.

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5. I do not support nationalism nor internationalism, but solely, the Kingship of our Lord Jesus Christ; only with His reign, can their be any hope for peace for this World, which means the conversion of every human being, without exception, to the One True Faith, Roman Catholicism, outside of which there is no salvation.

Nationalism easily trumps internationalism. Race matters even if "we" refuse to acknowledge that, especially the intellectual type. In fact some of the major conflicts within our recent history has all been about race. I am not ashamed to say I am a nationalist.

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6. Of course, individuals should work. (Duh.) As long as individuals are able to make a decent wage to support a minimal standard of living, yes, they should be definitively working. The exceptions would be for the disabled, amputees, blind, etc., although, they should work in those jobs, if any, which are able to accommodate them. Otherwise, they should receive SSI and/or other disability benefits.

I wouldn't put the "Duh" in there so easily and confidently considering many of our poor in fact do not work and get free TVs and X-boxes from not working. And actually the mentally disabled are given a free reign over guys like me for a job because of affirmative action. I just asked because a lot of people seem to see work as a bad thing.

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7. As for the "welfare state," such has, beyond any doubt whatsoever, been a benefit to large families (large Catholic families, in particular), so it is not an "either/or" thing. In the Middle Ages, Catholic monarchs would insist and mandate alms being given to the poor. Having said that, it is simply undeniable that there is discrimination in our pagan society, one, which I believe, no God-fearing Catholic monarch would tolerate. In any case, any welfare system which allows for "more souls for Heaven" is, in my opinion, a good thing, at least in general. It is certainly not intrinsically evil. Traditional Catholics, in my opinion, should encourage any system which allows women to have more children, not fewer!

I don't see why you put welfare state in parentheses since there is indeed a welfare state. And oh yes it has been a benefit to a large number of our "taker class" who has no problem with a large government giving them more services. One can definitely say minorities can agree on one thing and that is getting more "money out of whitey." And yes a Traditional Catholic should encourage more children (those of European-descent anyway) by keeping jobs here, making sure companies give good benefits, not hiring immigrants, making sure fathers get a living wage, etc. And the welfare system does not seem to beget goodwill that is for sure as our black community still believes that "whietey" puts guns and drugs into their communities and shows so much ingratitude, and our Hispanics see us as lazy, exploiters, racist, et. while we build a massive welfare state that pays them food stamps for their food, tax-subsidized food at public school, daycare services, Section 8 Housing, paying no income tax, etc.

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8. No, I do not feel envious towards anyone; in fact, extreme beauty, talent, and riches may, for some, be detrimental to their quest for everlasting life, which, for me (and, for everyone else), is what ultimately matters.

Well that's a good thing since a key tenet of Marxism is class envy and hatred. I support a solidarity for the nation. By the way it's outregous to me that our largest ethnic group, white Americans are not given any government jobs, while black Americans are able to move into the middle class thanks to these government jobs.

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9. I support at least some limited private property. As I said above, the vassal should be in charge of his land, subject to his lord, the King.

Um the Middle Ages are over but nevertheless, a key tenet we must have is that we must respect private property, except when it comes to national survival that is. For the record I despise democracy and support a strong leader. I support a right-wing tyrant.

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10. The highest good is the Catholic faith and morality and the unique right of the One True Church, the Catholic Church, to spread the Good News of Jesus Christ. All other issues are secondary.

Yes but I am referring to the vile cultural life of pronography and condoms in the drug store, Hollywood values and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, abortion and lesbianism, etc. I think our cultural life (or lack of anyway) is more important than obsessing over economics and how wealthy we are.

Jehanne · « **Reply #3 on:** October 19, 2013, 08:57:16 AM »

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And yes a Traditional Catholic should encourage more children (those of European-descent anyway).

I believe that Jesus Christ died for all human beings without exception, and that He loves us equally with an infinite love, without regards to our race, nationality, sex, etc. However, I agree with you that even though we are "all equal in Christ Jesus," in this fallen world, dignity should not be apportioned on absolutely equal basis. Things like justice should be absolutely equal (a nobelman should lose his head for murder just as a peasant should be hung) but one's station in life is not equal. For instance, men and women are absolutely equal in the supernatural order but not in the natural order. The same is true of men, in general; not all men should be viewed as being equal in every aspect of life. I do, however, favor "honest pay" for an "honest day's of work," so I do not believe that one race should be paid more for their labor than another, provided, of course, that one job is identical to another. Having said that, I am opposed to any "racial quotas." As long as a man is able to subsist and is paid the same amount for the same work, he has no right to complain. That is not to say that employers should discriminate in their hiring practices, only that the government should not be "policing" them about it.

alaric · « **Reply #4 on:** October 19, 2013, 10:27:58 AM »

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5. I do not support nationalism nor internationalism, but solely, the Kingship of our Lord Jesus Christ; only with His reign, can their be any hope for peace for this World, which means the conversion of every human being, without exception, to the One True Faith, Roman Catholicism, outside of which there is no salvation.
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Depends on what you mean by "Nationalism", if it means that you put the interests of your nation and people first over some kind of global agenda, then I am a Nationalist. I do not support some sort of worldwide movement, be it under the guise of Christianity or Communism or the "brotherhood of man" or whatever.

I see you state that you only support the Kingship of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet you would willingly bow down and serve Earthly Kings in some sort of Catholic Monarchy, that seems contradictory, you cannot serve two masters.

As many problems that I have with Democracy, I would have it before I would become subservient to some kind of omnipotent. dictatorial govt totally in control of our lives and destinies. I would serve not Cesaer nor King.

OHCA · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2013, 01:55:44 PM »

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. . . yet you would willingly bow down and serve Earthly Kings in some sort of Catholic Monarchy, that seems contradictory, you cannot serve two masters.

As many problems that I have with Democracy, I would have it before I would become subservient to some kind of omnipotent. dictatorial govt totally in control of our lives and destinies. I would serve not Cesaer nor King.

Isn't there a Catholic idea that good Catholic kings are put here by God as stewards and to accordingly exercise righteous authority? I know in this modern day a good Catholic king seems too much to ask for especially since it even seems too much to ask for in a pope. But wouldn't that be ideal?