Actually, Franz Ferdinand was not the "heir" of anything because he had cast himself out of the line of succession by marrying his maid ( a morganatic marriage, with which it's impossible to become king in Austria ).  

The goal of killing him seemed to have been to provoke Austria into a war it couldn't win.  

Something very shadowy and dubious was happening behind the scenes of the so-called belle époque, and it focused on the Austrian royal family.  There was also the death of Crown Prince Rudolf and his alleged "lover" Mary Vetsera, who I could have sworn that I read was Jєωιѕн, though I can't find any proof of that today.  They were supposed to have killed themselves in a double ѕυιcιdє though the Vatican examination revealed that while the Prince had a bullet wound in his head, she did not have one.  She had some kind of blunt force trauma.  A mystery for the ages.

In the Austrian royal house, before World War I, my guess is that there were two competing factions -- a more conservative Catholic faction and a modern Freemasonic or Masonic-sympathetic faction.  But who was on which side?  Anyway, a house divided cannot stand, and the Habsburgs fell apart.  Otto van Habsburg, a living descendent, is a Vatican II globalist from what I can tell, showing the liberal strain that ate away that family.



Here he is.  They should make this guy the successor of Ratzinger... Very, very seductive, sounds like a religious indifferentist but hard to pin down as such, he is careful to leave himself wiggle room.  Saying at the end that Muslims and Christians are "made to understand each other," is this indifferentism, or is he being subtle and drawing on the fairly harmonious co-existence of Muslims and Christians in Spain, with the intent to avoid a religious conflagration?  When these Vatican II guys talk about peace, you're never sure where you stand.  Is it real peace they want, or is it the peace that Gladius called the "pax Judaica," the Vatican II brand of peace, like you see on those bumper stickers that say "co-exist" and show all the different religious symbols?  Well, it's one thing to co-exist with the real Catholic Church, another thing entirely to eat away at the Church from within, to level it out so that it is just like all the other false religions, and try to render it toothless so that no one ever has to feel guilty about rejecting the true faith.  This is anti-Christ peace.

He also speaks of the "Christian-Jєωιѕн tradition," like those VII types who always blather about "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian values."  But here again, they hide behind the fact that we still honor the Ten Commandments, etc.  I don't like the way he talks at all, but it's very hard to call him a heretic.  He is the type you watch carefully.

Ah, you're right, thanks for the correction.

Did you give my post a thumbs down?  

Yes because you said he wasn't the Heir to the throne.  You need to be more cautious.  

The point of the thread isn't an apologia for the House of Habsburg anyway.  

Update: H.I.H. Otto von Habsburg, son of the last Emperor, died just today. Requiescat in pace.

Pyrrhos said:  

Reducing the factions into two camps is probably too much of a simplification, because it leaves out the different groups of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ as well. Some of those can be extremely conservative and authoritarian, as e.g. in the House of Savoy or Habsburg. It was sad that it is very ironic that "Emperor" Maximilian of Mexico(-Habsburg) attended Mass every morning despite being a member of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and that the opposing revolutionary General was neither a Freemason nor did he attend Mass.

Yes, that was the point of my post.  The Masonic sympathies in the House of Habsburg go at least back to Joseph II.  My personal belief is that God would not have allowed the plans of the Masons and their Jєωιѕн overlords to come to fruition if it weren't for sinfulness and rot in the royalty itself.  Even someone considered an arch-conservative like Franz Josef lived a less than stellar life, morally speaking.  But I bet within the royalty there were many who were more or less Masonic-leaning.

There was major internal rot in the House of Habsburg before World War I, just like there was internal rot in the Vatican.  There were many progressive hands moving behind the scenes in the Belle Époque, shadowy, Fantomas-like hands, and some of them were part of the monarchy.  Whether Franz Ferdinand was a threat to the shadowy powers and had some kind of plan up his sleeve to restore luster to the Catholic Church, I don't know.  I admit I haven't read much about what Tele is talking about.  But the action of marrying his maid is hardly the stuff of which a staunch conservative is made, let's face it.  In the world of royalty, a more careless action is hard to even imagine.  Do you have any idea what a big deal it is to eliminate your progeny from the succession?  From that basis, it does seem like he was just a fall guy, and it could have been anyone else.  I also alluded that Mayerling may have been another attempt to provoke the Austrian royal house, though who really knows.

I used to be bothered that Pius X was against World War I, since I saw it as the last stand against the concerted Masonic powers.  But giving him the benefit of the doubt -- he is a saint, after all  :farmer: -- I would say he knew they were provoked, and that the war was exactly what the Masons really wanted.  Then again, if Austria had remained a boutique Catholic monarchy, it surely would have been swallowed up by the hydra-headed money power eventually, as the Vatican was.  I wonder if it wasn't already swallowed up even before WWI and if that war had any value at all beyond being a useless slaughter engineered for certain people to make money.

Pyrrhos said:

Even though I am certainly not an apologist of the aristocratic and royal families, I still know them fairly well, having had personal contact with some of them myself.

Do tell us more!

Pyrrhos said:  

You have to see the difficulty for them, uniting their usual conservative attitude with the official government of the Church, to which they feel bound to. And if they would reject the false Church, they would be rejected themselves and could no longer be a part of the courtly parallel-world with all its gala´s, shining titles, uniforms and splendid dinners.
Very worldly considerations, indeed, but I guess we all had them, even though in another way.

Exactly.  It is almost ghostly how the monarchy has been taken over, soul-snatched, leaving nothing but an empty masquerade.  It's quite the perfect mirror of what's happening in the Church where, as St. Paul says, they will have a form of religion while denying the power thereof.  This is a form of monarchy with some piteous shreds of surface grandeur that remain, but with no power whatsoever.  They have blended totally into Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ without using the name.  They use the name "Catholic," which really means Vatican II Catholic, which really means Freemasonic.  

The devil has accomplished an amazing feat here.  You are not looking at a revolutionary regime, or at the communists.  You are looking at the real Vatican -- insofar as we're talking about the building in Rome -- and the real monarchy but they have been eaten away from the inside.

For me the classic example of how low the monarchy has sunk is a little-known fact involving a French woman of Spanish extraction -- Anne Hidalgo.  She is the Deputy Mayor of Paris under the openly gαy mayor, Bertrand Delanoe.  Well, Hidalgo is pro-abortion and pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage.  And Hidalgo was recently awarded, by King Juan Carlos I, the Order of Isabella the Catholic, which according to Wikipedia is "a Spanish civil order granted in recognition of services that benefit the country. The Order is not exclusive to Spaniards, and many foreigners have been awarded it."

http://videos.leparisien.fr/video/iLyROoaf8X3J.html

Then again, who knows how Catholic this award ever wa.  The fact that there is a "Grand Master" who presides over it doesn't sound very encouraging.  Very, very strange times indeed.  The ceremony in the video above is beyond depressing, these people look and act like joyless zombies.  Could anything be more pathetic and old-hat than their little socialist wine-sipping self-congratulating functions where none of them have a thing to say?  They have nearly reached their goal of destroying everything in sight but now there is nothing for them to do.  The thing about revolutionaries is that they just can't produce, can't create, can't build... They are useless.

From Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope:

One influence which worked to create and strengthen the Triple Entente was that of the international banking fraternity. These were largely excluded from the German economic development, but had growing links with France and Russia. Prosperous enterprises like the Suez Canal Company, the Rothschild copper enterprise, Rio Tinto, in Spain, and many newer joint activities in Morocco created numerous unobtrusive links which both preceded and strengthened the Triple Entente. The Rothschilds, close friends of Edwards VII and of France, were linked to the French investment bank, Banque de Paris et des Pays Bas. This, in turn, was the chief influence in selling nine billion rubles of Russian bonds in France before 1914. The most influential of London bankers, Sir Ernest Cassel, a great and mysterious person (1852-1921), had come from Germany to England at the age of seventeen, built up an immense fortune, which he gave away with a lavish hand, was closely connected with Egypt, Sweden, New York, Paris, and Latin America, became one of King Edward’s closest personal friends and employer of the greatest wire-puller of the period, the ubiquitous mole, Lord Esher. These generally anti-Prussian influences around King Edward played a significant part in building up the Triple Entente and in strengthening it when Germany foolishly challenged their projects in Morocco in the 1904-1912 period.

I used to be bothered that Pius X was against World War I, since I saw it as the last stand against the concerted Masonic powers.  But giving him the benefit of the doubt -- he is a saint, after all  :farmer: -- I would say he knew they were provoked, and that the war was exactly what the Masons really wanted.  Then again, if Austria had remained a boutique Catholic monarchy, it surely would have been swallowed up by the hydra-headed money power eventually, as the Vatican was.  I wonder if it wasn't already swallowed up even before WWI and if that war had any value at all beyond being a useless slaughter engineered for certain people to make money.

As a matter of fact I read that the "anti-Austrian" attitude of Pius X. was not his true position at all, and that he encouraged a punishment of Serbia through his legate in Vienna. Unfortunately, I don´t have the necessary sources to back up my claim right now. But the Austrian clergy in Rome as well as the Austrian diplomats stated, that the Vatican policy shifted strongly towards the Entente after the death of the Pope-Saint - despite continuous claims of neutrality.
The anti-Austrian attitude of most Italians might have also played a role there.

You are very correct in calling Austria a boutique monarchy. It was hopelessly lost already long before WWI, if they were lucky they could have maybe hoped for a continued existence of a Danube-Confederacy of Austria and Hungary proper, but certainly nothing more.

I think an Austrian General said: We had the most beautiful army in the world, but then the war came...

Do tell us more!

Not much to tell there, but when you are getting involved in the Indult circles of continental Europe, you necessarily run into one or the other aristocrat. And then you will realize that everything is just pretty much an empty shell, a little hobby, a show of former influence and greatness. But very little faith, virtue and morals.
This pertains mainly to the royalty or higher aristocracy, the lower nobility often sets a better example, since they were not necessarily involved in every form of immorality and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in the last centuries.

http://videos.leparisien.fr/video/iLyROoaf8X3J.html

Then again, who knows how Catholic this award ever wa.  The fact that there is a "Grand Master" who presides over it doesn't sound very encouraging.  Very, very strange times indeed.  The ceremony in the video above is beyond depressing, these people look and act like joyless zombies.  Could anything be more pathetic and old-hat than their little socialist wine-sipping self-congratulating functions where none of them have a thing to say?  They have nearly reached their goal of destroying everything in sight but now there is nothing for them to do.  The thing about revolutionaries is that they just can't produce, can't create, can't build... They are useless.

What a joke, really. Even though I have to say that a "Grandmaster" was a perfect legitimate title even long before (official) Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, there is no doubt that Juan Carlos is deep into the secret societies, just as all of Spain is.
This is also one of the reasons why I have a very low opinion on Franco - if he was such a great guy as many traditionalists portray him - why did he choose him as successor?