Sure, I did not mean that it's an habit of yours to bury others with information, but since I was giving you free choice of topic, it was just a caution.

I will let you make an opening statement on hijacker's still alive, but before, let's outline the facts you are disputing.

These are the hijacker's according to the FBI.

AMERICAN AIRLINES #77
BOEING 757

1) Khalid Almihdhar - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of San Diego, California, and New York
-Alias: Sannan Al-Makki; Khalid Bin Muhammad; 'Addallah Al-Mihdhar; Khalid Mohammad Al-Saqaf

2) Majed Moqed - Possible Saudi national
-Alias: Majed M.GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed

3) Nawaf Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey; San Diego, California
-Alias: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi

4) Salem Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey

5) Hani Hanjour -
-Possible resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and San Diego, California
-Alias: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour



AMERICAN AIRLINES #11
BOEING 767

1) Satam M.A. Al Suqami- Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: June 28, 1976; Last known address: United Arab Emirates

2) Waleed M. Alshehri - Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: September 13, 1974; January 1, 1976; March 3, 1976; July 8, 1977; December 20, 1978; May 11, 1979; November 5, 1979
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Orlando, Florida; Daytona Beach, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot

3) Wail M. Alshehri
-Date of birth used: September 1, 1968
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Newton, Massachusetts
-Believed to be a pilot

4) Mohamed Atta - Possible Egyptian national
-Date of birth used: September 1, 1968
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Coral Springs, Florida; Hamburg, Germany
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Mehan Atta; Mohammad El Amir; Muhammad Atta; Mohamed El Sayed; Mohamed Elsayed; Muhammad Muhammad Al Amir Awag Al Sayyid Atta; Muhammad Muhammad Al-Amir Awad Al Sayad

5) Abdulaziz Alomari - Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: December 24, 1972 and May 28, 1979
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot


UNITED AIRLINES #175
BOEING 767

1) Marwan Al-Shehhi
-Date of birth used: May 9, 1978
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Marwan Yusif Muhammad Rashid Al-Shehi; Marwan Yusif Muhammad Rashid Lakrab Al-Shihhi; Abu Abdullah

2) Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Fayez Ahmad; Banihammad Fayez Abu Dhabi Banihammad; Fayez Rashid Ahmed; Banihammad Fayez; Rasid Ahmed Hassen Alqadi; Abu Dhabi Banihammad
Ahmed Fayez; Faez Ahmed

3) Ahmed Alghamdi
-Alias: Ahmed Salah Alghamdi

4) Hamza Alghamdi
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Hamza Al-Ghamdi; Hamza Ghamdi; Hamzah Alghamdi;
Hamza Alghamdi Saleh

5) Mohand Alshehri
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Mohammed Alshehhi; Mohamd Alshehri; Mohald Alshehri


UNITED AIRLINES #93
BOEING 757

1) Saeed Alghamdi
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Abdul Rahman Saed Alghamdi; Ali S Alghamdi; Al- Gamdi; Saad M.S. Al Ghamdi; Sadda Al Ghamdi; Saheed Al-Ghamdi; Seed Al Ghamdi

2) Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi - Possible Saudi national
-Date of birth used: October 11, 1980
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Ahmed Alhaznawi

3) Ahmed Alnami
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Ali Ahmed Alnami; Ahmed A. Al-Nami; Ahmed Al- Nawi

4) Ziad Samir Jarrah
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Zaid Jarrahi; Zaid Samr Jarrah; Ziad S. Jarrah; Ziad Jarrah Jarrat, Ziad Samir Jarrahi


In the still alive category I will consider:

Zaccarias Moussaoui, who pleaded guilty and got 6 life terms in prison without parole.

Full verdict here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/03_05_06moussverdict.pdf

I think you know, Vandaler, that I wasn't looking for names, places, dates, plane manifests, etc.  Anyone can drag down the information you supplied in your opening salvo.  Let's get back to the Twin Tower site and hijacker remains:  Have they found a tooth, a bone, an item of clothing, a personal item, a boxcutter belonging to any of the would-be hijackers?  For that matter, have they found any of the remains of Flights 11 and 175 at the site?  

I leave you the opening salvo, the above was just an establishment of facts as they are known officially and that which I believe you dispute. I didn't make any arguments yet.

You said:

"Let's start with the 19 alleged Arab hijackers, (not that it is necessarily my favorite).  Let's account for the ones still reported alive."

So let's start with that.

May I remind you that you where not to carpet bomb... "Let's get back to the Twin Tower site and hijacker remains:  Have they found a tooth, a bone, an item of clothing, a personal item, a boxcutter belonging to any of the would-be hijackers?  For that matter, have they found any of the remains of Flights 11 and 175 at the site? " ... Is precisely what I call carpet bombing.

So, what about those hijacker's still reported alive.

Seven are still alive.  Enough said about living hijackers.  Now let's move on to the allegedly 12 dead ones.  

No.

I gave you complete advantage and liberty to choose which ever subject you wanted, you will make me the courtesy to follow through.  Unless of course you wish to concede the point.

List the 7 still alive and provide your evidence.

I'll be a good sport, and to shorten the span of this subject, just name the 7, and demonstrate that only 1 of your choosing is still alive.

Vandaler,
My early warning 'jackass' alarm just went off.  I'll have to go now.  Maybe you'll find another jackass with whom to braybate.

What a turnoff.

Don't expect to be taken seriously anymore on this subject.

Should anyone have been intrigued by the idea that 7 hijacker's are still alive, and since no arguments as been presented to support it, I will still present an initial rebuttal of this conclusion in order to dispel any lazy assumption that it may be based on credible information.

3 days after 9/11, The FBI issued a list of 19 individuals who have been identified as hijackers.  This list was of course everywhere

This caused some commotion in certain households since people bearing the same names came forward.  Often, it was a cry of innocence from honest citizens that poured in the media.

These articles trickled for sometime until September 27th 2001, when the FBI re-issued a second press release, this time containing pictures.

Of course, with the pictures published, no one needed anymore to come forward to proclaim their innocence and the still alive series ended.

So, anyone wishing to take Holl's seat in this debate, I suggest to stay away from news clipping dating prior to September 27th.
I'm well prepared for this angle. I was ready to refute such news media for 9 hijacker's actually.
But if you wish to lay one on me and test if I'm an empty shell, go ahead !

I welcome and am more interested in any arguments along those lines dating after September 27th. To my knowledge, none exist.

I am unaware of any other lines of reasoning then the above to suggest that hijackers are still alive.  I welcome any other challenging ideas on the matter.

Edited to add: Of course the above is not the be all and end all, it's just an initial rebuttal to an unsupported claim.

At least one of those innocent men had their identity papers stolen from them. Another man said that he was indeed the man in the FBI list, and also his picture shown too. Here is the link:
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/allafrica_deadresurfaces.html

Still, the identity of the hijackers doesn't really pose a problem to the official account, so I'm ending my involvement in this part of 9/11.

Thanks QVP,

Since you have no details on the one who had his papers stolen, I will let it float till you identify him...

Sorry, got lazy about that on person. here's the link:

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/bbc_hijacksuspects.html

Look under "Abdulaziz Alomari."

QVP, if you wish, we can look at anything of your choosing.

Ah good!  Since I started this thread, but quickly abandoned it, let me again suggest something in this new spirit of openness.  Early on, I didn't care to continue playing rope-a-dope with V.
So let's forget allegedly living Arabs.  Let's search for the remains of dead ones.  I don't care how small and insignificant they may be.  Can you come up with anything belonging to the persons or personal possessions of any one of these 19 alleged Arab terrorists found at any of the 9/11 sites?  That is all I was really asking for to begin with, but, instead, got "carptet bombed" with names difficult to pronounce, dates, places and a plethora of other useless factoids.