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Author Topic: Do all Sedevacantists say the Real Presence does not exist in the novus ordo?  (Read 3753 times)

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Offline 2Vermont

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Did you ever know anything except the NO before you discovered the Traditional Mass?

I see it like this. The NO because of all the confusion leaves its followers confused, but programmed to think in a particular way. It's like belonging to a sect, where you need deprograming on exit. I humbly suggest that even though you may never attend the NO you still retain some confusion and some of the program, such as what is implicit in your comment "Sometimes they (feelings) are all we have". This is so wrong!

Unless you are a baby or severely mentally handicapped, a person has always something more than feelings. You have your reason, your intelligence, your sensus catholicus. If you are Confirmed you have been given the fruits of the Holy Spirit which you must develop.

Take this advice in the spirit in which I give it. Even though I grew up in Tradition I went NO for many years. I knew no better (no fault on my parents part), but once I saw the light I had to jettison all the garbage that had accuмulated.

You came here trying to understand and asking questions, which is admirable. If you take the answers, suggestions according to feelings alone you will never sort it out the confusion. Feelings can be good or evil. They are simply feelings. Feel and move on.

God is obviously called you into the Truth. Take it with open hands and open heart.
Wel Nadir.  Your post was much better than I could ever state.  I just have very little patience with people in general these days.

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Did you ever know anything except the NO before you discovered the Traditional Mass?

I see it like this. The NO because of all the confusion leaves its followers confused, but programmed to think in a particular way. It's like belonging to a sect, where you need deprograming on exit. I humbly suggest that even though you may never attend the NO you still retain some confusion and some of the program, such as what is implicit in your comment "Sometimes they (feelings) are all we have". This is so wrong!

Unless you are a baby or severely mentally handicapped, a person has always something more than feelings. You have your reason, your intelligence, your sensus catholicus. If you are Confirmed you have been given the fruits of the Holy Spirit which you must develop.

Take this advice in the spirit in which I give it. Even though I grew up in Tradition I went NO for many years. I knew no better (no fault on my parents part), but once I saw the light I had to jettison all the garbage that had accuмulated.

You came here trying to understand and asking questions, which is admirable. If you take the answers, suggestions according to feelings alone you will never sort it out the confusion. Feelings can be good or evil. They are simply feelings. Feel and move on.

God is obviously called you into the Truth. Take it with open hands and open heart.
Well, once again, and I don't mean this in a snarky way. I am just speaking my .. well, thoughts and OMG feelings here... but once again I feel that people here, maybe 80% of them think that feelings have nothing to do with reason. THAT is totally bogus. God gave us feelings, the ability to perceive what is not seen.. you know, that line in the (Nicene?) Creed... "...Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and UNseen"


the rosary made me begin to see a lot of things that are there.. in the world, within myself... but are Un-seen. 

Feelings are often buried deep in the subconscious. Subconsciously, we feel something... and that feeling makes us think this or that which may or may not be true. And so, we have to get in touch with feelings that we may not consciously be aware of, and yet they are guiding us somehow, possibly into a dangerous situation. I think of women who stay with extremely abusive men, FEELING/thinking all along that.. Oh, if i just do this or that, he will love me, when NO, he doesn't love you if he treats you like trash. That is an objective truth. But feelings argue with that truth, and so... again, one must get in touch with those... OMG OMG feelings..   


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Unless you are a baby or severely mentally handicapped, a person has always something more than feelings.
Well, thanks for helping me make my points RE feelings. I have a thread about such, and thought I was there, but since you bring it up at this thread.. 

Why is there so much snark on this forum (and every other forum on the internet)? I mean, it's like few posters can say something w/o insulting the person they are talking to! 

Why do you, for example, accuse me of being "a baby or severely mentally handicapped"? 

Aren't we supposed to love our neighbor as ourself? Why all the insults and adverse innuendo? that is not Christian.

And there is no such human being that I have ever known (doubtful he or she exists) who does not have BOTH feelings AND intellect. So you insulted me for no reason.. 

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Why does almost every thread end in snarkiness/a keyboard warrior match on here. I think some of you guys (and gals I guess) didn't get their butts whooped when they were young. 

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Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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