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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #975 on: September 11, 2017, 12:15:42 AM »
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    Loser.
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    Maybe you can crawl out of your hole by answering a simple question:
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    But I doubt it. The loser remains in his hole of defeat!
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #976 on: September 11, 2017, 12:23:14 AM »
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    Your video doesn't answer my question. It shows the sun about to set and the gibbous moon rising. It's not a full moon. The video shows what we see every day while the moon approaches the full moon phase. But once it's a full moon, the moon is never visible at the same time as the sun. The full moon always rises after the sun has set. Always.
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    I asked how a person in Australia can see a FULL moon in the flat-earth diagram displayed. The video you posted does not show the sun in the position the diagram has, on the OTHER SIDE of the earth which cannot be visible in the sky, and it is due NORTH of Australia whereas the video you post shows the sun in the west, setting as it does, in the west (not the north).
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    So you have not answered the question. And I expect you won't be able to answer it.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #977 on: September 11, 2017, 12:27:54 AM »
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    Your video doesn't answer my question. It shows the sun about to set and the gibbous moon rising. It's not a full moon. The video shows what we see every day while the moon approaches the full moon phase. But once it's a full moon, the moon is never visible at the same time as the sun. The full moon always rises after the sun has set. Always.
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    I asked how a person in Australia can see a FULL moon in the flat-earth diagram displayed. The video you posted does not show the sun in the position the diagram has, on the OTHER SIDE of the earth which cannot be visible in the sky, and it is due NORTH of Australia whereas the video you post shows the sun in the west, setting as it does, in the west (not the north).
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    So you have not answered the question. And I expect you won't be able to answer it.
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    The video I posted shows the moon visible at the same time as the sun.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #978 on: September 11, 2017, 12:32:52 AM »
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  • "I Think it is Time Cathinfo Has a Public Profession of Belief." "Thank you for publicly affirming the necessity of believing, without innovations, all Infallibly Defined Dogmas of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church."

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #979 on: September 11, 2017, 12:49:47 AM »
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  • The video I posted shows the moon visible at the same time as the sun.
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    Of course the moon can be visible at the same time as the sun -- this happens every month for two weeks as the moon approaches the full phase. But as soon as the moon becomes full, the sun is always set below the horizon before the moon becomes visible. Always. 
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    Your video does not show the FULL moon visible while the sun is still up. It shows a gibbous moon.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #980 on: September 11, 2017, 12:55:51 AM »
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    This time you have a video that shows a waning gibbous moon setting as the sun rises. It's not a full moon.
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    Nor does it answer my question, which is how a person in Australia can see a full moon (not a gibbous moon) in the "flat-earth" model shown: 
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #981 on: September 11, 2017, 10:57:56 PM »
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  • Do you want to see some pictures of the Flat Earth Horizon?
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    I'm sorry, I thought we were back on topic. How shortsighted of me!
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    I've already seen your fake CGI pictures and paintings. 
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    Answer my question. Explain how someone in Australia can see a full moon in the flat-earth diagram.
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    This is your golden calf image of worship which you adore. Explain it.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #982 on: September 11, 2017, 11:02:54 PM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #983 on: September 13, 2017, 01:02:32 PM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. That's 0 for 6.
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    The horizon does not appear flat regardless of altitude, the horizon does not rise to the eye level of the observer, the observer does have to tilt the camera downward to see the horizon, the natural physics of water is to conform to its container, the earth is not an extended plane, and the fundamental property of fluid is not to remain level but to conform to its container.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #984 on: September 18, 2017, 06:21:46 PM »
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  • [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/KnqBzncqS2U[/youtube]
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    The flat-earth propaganda is a Freemasonic deception. Min. 5
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #985 on: September 18, 2017, 06:40:20 PM »
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #986 on: September 18, 2017, 06:41:21 PM »
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      But once it's a full moon, the moon is never visible at the same time as the sun. The full moon always rises after the sun has set. Always.
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    Why do you imagine that sunrise and sunset have anything at all to do with the moon's phases?? Sunrise and sunset times have to do with one thing only: perspective at your location.
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    The past full moon on the 7th has the moon's rise happening 30 minutes are the sun sets, and then the full moon was clearly visible in the sky the next morning at its set and the sun had been up for about an hour.
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    That has literally NOTHING to do with the phase.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #987 on: September 18, 2017, 06:47:36 PM »
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
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    50+ Reasons The Earth Is NOT Flat!

    This is a transcript for a video of the same name.  Watch it here (20 minutes):


    In this video I will first briefly discuss some problems with, and deceptions of, prominent Flat Earthers and the Flat Earth movement, and then I will cover the 50 reasons why the Earth is not flat.  Samuel Rowbotham was the first person to use the pseudoscientific method called Zeteticism for “Flat Earth research”.  Instead of starting with a question and a hypothesis which are then tested or falsified as in the scientific method, Zeteticism relies solely upon the experience, observations and conclusions of the tester.  Such a method does not prevent self-deception or delusion because it does not seek to test or falsify the conclusions of the tester.  Zeteticism allows errors to go unchecked.  For example, Rowbotham believed that moonlight is dangerous and that it caused a boy to lose his eyesight because he slept in the field in the bright moonlight.  Eric Dubay is an aggressive Flat Earther who also teaches demonic yoga, is anti-Christian pro-Hitler, blasphemes Jesus Christ by saying that he was a magic mushroom, believes in the occult and that reality is an illusion.  He also dressed like a woman in a video and plagiarized at least 28 of his “200 Proofs of the Earth is not a Spinning Ball.”  He might be a paid actor.  Dubay also accuses almost all the main people in the Flat Earth movement of being paid shills, yet we are supposed to believe that he is not.  Matt Boylan claims to be a whistleblower who used to create fake pictures for NASA.  He claims to have inside information that NASA is hiding the secret “truth” that the Earth is flat, and is promoting the idea that the Earth is a globe instead: “and there was a party, at somebody's cottage in the Hamptons, and the power went out and it was about, say about 1 o'clock in the evening, and there was one gentleman who was friends with this guy – he was this consultant for the US Defense department now this guy was basically a friend of my superiors and a colleague – they were listening to him.  He seemed to be like kind of like this guy who was just this weird - i thought he was some sort of nut – he was basically just like picking apart everything that they know that they say everyday in the office.  He was basically explaining the flat Earth and how it works, and he literally drew the UN flag... they think could convince me it is flat, and what was creepy about the whole thing is that they were more laughing at me for not getting it.  It never went back to being a ball with these gentlemen, that night.”  However, Boylan is an actor: “Maggie... I knew it... oh, you wanna go... Where's the girl?... What girl?... Maggie... There's no one Maggie here.”  He was also in a semi-pornographic show called 'Bodypaint Illuminati.'  Patricia Steer interviews various Flat Earthers.  She dresses in various costumes in her videos, such as a pagan.  Some of her guests also where bizarre costumes.  These people obviously don't want to be taken seriously and appear to be actors.  According to the Freemason, Andrew Prescott, Freemasons formed Zetetic societies to engage in anti-Christian and scientific debate.  Eric Dubay said that freemasonry's biggest secret is that the Earth is flat.  Freemasonry is a diabolical sect.  When Dubay was insulting Neil deGrasse Tyson, a Globe Earther, Dubay subtly endorsed this sect when he stated “the best thing about Neil deGrasse Tyson is he's a Freemason if you believe it or not.”  It would be no surprise if Dubay were a member of the Illuminati.  It appears that the Flat Earth movement is essentially a Masonic deception.  Claudius Ptolemy in his book, Almagest, expresses his opinion that the Earth is a sphere.  His views on the order of the universe were widely held for over 1,200 years: “Now, that also the Earth taken as a whole is sensibly spherical we could most likely think out in his way.”  The most popular Flat Earthers' map is an Azimuthal Equidistant Projection Map.  The distances on such maps are only correct in relation to the center point.  All other distances are distorted.  An Azimuthal Equidistant Projection Map can be made for any point on Earth including Antarctica.  The Qantas nonstop flight from Sydney to Santiago would not work on a Flat Earth map.  There are a number of permanent research stations in Antarctica and they can all vouch for the fact that Antarctica is only about 11,000 miles in circumference, not 78,000 miles as a Flat Earth map shows.  Antarctica is a continent even though it's landmass is covered with ice.  In the North Pole there are only temporary research stations because there's no land mass and the ice is constantly moving or breaking up.  Fedor Konyukhov circumnavigated Antarctica in 102 days.  If he were doing this on a Flat Earth he would have been traveling at an average of 26.94 knots per hour, which would have smashed the single hulled speed record by seven knots per hour and 101.5 days.  The first overland crossing of Antarctica was completed by Vivian Fuch's team in 1958.  According to Flat Earthers this would be impossible.  There are currently 45 companies that are members of the International Association of Antarctica Tourist Operations, including ships flights and land-based operations.  During the 2007-2008 season there were 46,265 visitors.  None of these companies claim Antarctica is the end of the Earth.  Antarctica has a six month day and a six-month night each year as does the North Pole.  This would be impossible on a flat Earth.  Many webcams are set up in Antarctica where one can see pictures taken every 15 seconds to an hour and which show the 24-hour day or 24-hour night.  There are three poles in Antarctica, a geographic pole, a magnetic pole and a ceremonial pole.  The fact that lines of longitude converge on the geographic pole proves the Earth is a globe.  Similarly to Antarctica, southern cities of the world have longer days during the December or summer solstice.  Ushuaia, Argentina, 17 hours 19 minutes.  Cape Town, South Africa, 14 hours 25 minutes.  Hobart, Australia, 15 hours 21 minutes.  Invercargill, New Zealand, 15 hours and 48 minutes.  This would be impossible on a flat Earth.  The shadow on a sundial will go clockwise in the northern hemisphere but counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere.  The sun rotates clockwise in the northern hemisphere but counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere.  Star trails appear to rotate clockwise in the southern hemisphere but counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere.  The shadow of the moon waxes and wanes from right to left in the northern hemisphere but from left to right in the southern hemisphere.  A solar eclipse occurs only over a certain location on Earth not the whole Earth because the sun is much bigger than the moon.  According to the Flat Earth theory an eclipse should darken the whole Earth.  An annular eclipse makes the moon appear smaller than the sun whereas a total solar eclipse makes the moon appear the same size as the sun.  Flat Earthers have no [realistic] explanation for this since they claim both the sun and the moon are the same size and the same distance from Eath.  A Selenelion is where an eclipse occurs with both the sun and the moon in the sky at the same time.  Some Flat Earthers use this example in an attempted to debunk the globe Earth.  However, a Selenelion simply occurs when the straight line between the sun, Earth and moon called a Syzygy, happens when the sun is rising and the moon is setting.  Due to atmospheric refraction both the sun and moon are visible during such an eclipse.  If a person were at the equator, according to the Flat Earth map the sun will always rise and set northeast and northwest of the observer.  However, in real life the sun will rise and set southeast and southwest during winter.  An Analemma shows the change in the sun's position throughout the year.  An analemma will also appear the other way up depending on which hemisphere one views it from.  Flat Earthers have no [realistic] explanation for analemmas.  Flat Earthers claim the sun acts as a spotlight for which they have no evidence.  She fact that half of the Earth is always lit and the other half is dark proves that the Flat Earth model is impossible.  Many Flat Earthers deny the existence of satellites.  Iridium flares occur when a satellite reflects sunlight very brightly proving the existence of satellites.  The Russian Electro-L satellites have taken many non composite photos of the Earth.  Geostationary satellites appear to stay in the one spot above the surface of the Earth.  This would be impossible on a flat Earth for they would simply fall back to Earth.  Some Flat Earthers reject the existence of planets.  Spectroscopy proves planets are real by showing the kinds of elements that are present on those planets.  Some Flat Earthers believed that female astronauts perm their hair and are underwater in a tank to fake being in space.  However, in this clip the astronaut is washing her hair which would destroy her permed hair and proves she is not underwater: “Sometimes the water gets away from you and you try and catch as much as you can... and I just work the water up through to the ends of my hair... and I take my no-rinse shampoo and squirt it also on the scalp, just a little bit... and rub it in, again kinda working it out to the ends.  A number of amateur astronomers have taken photos of the International Space Station and geostationary satellites, proving the not all photos of such things are a hoax created by NASA.  Lighthouses and radio masts and towers are deliberately built high so that their light and radio waves can reach further over the curvature of the Earth.  Radio waves can also be skipped around the world by bouncing them off the ionosphere.  On a flat Earth this would not be necessary for there would be no curvature of the Earth to prevent line-of-sight transmissions over long distances.  The light from a lighthouse is beamed out horizontally not downwards towards the horizon.  This allows the light from the lighthouse to be seen much further than the distance to the horizon.  This is called the loom of the light: “At 2147 the lookout reports the loom of a flashing light... an estimated position cannot be determined in as much as the distance of a loom of light it more questionable.”  The Coriolis effect accounts for why hurricanes go clockwise in the southern hemisphere but counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere.  Long-range shooters must account for the Coriolis effect, otherwise there would miss their target: “And one of the common issues is, that we see is, a Coriolis effect... and what guys are not doing is taking into account the effect that this can have on your shooting at longer ranges... is if you're shooting west your targets gonna rotate up and towards us which is gonna cause the bullets to hit lower, and if you're facing east the targets going to be dropping and slightly moving away which is gonna cause the hits to be higher... we've made it down to our target that we shot at the west, this is our West target here, and as you can see they've all dropped in quite low... we've made it down to our target on the east target now and as you can see they're not. not quite too high.”  Wind currents are affected by the Coriolis effect.  Ocean currents are affected by the Coriolis effect.  Some Flat Earthers say gravity is merely density, however in a vacuum two objects of vastly different density will fall at exactly the same rate, such as feathers and a bowling ball.  This is because the inertia of an object is directly proportional to its mass.  Henry Cavendish measured with accuracy the strength of gravity.  The Cavendish experiment has been repeated many times in classrooms.  It shows how a smaller mass moves towards a larger mass.  Water naturally forms a sphere this is easily seen in a zero gravity environment.  A Geoid is a reference frame used in surveying which is the shape of the Earth if it had the same gravity potential and every point. It is a globe shape.  For vertical datums a Reference Ellipsoid is also used to base measurements on.  It is also a globe shape.  Surveyors routinely make curvature and refraction corrections which are corrections to account for the Earth's curvature and the atmosphere's refraction of light, otherwise their measurements would be erroneous.  Geodetic Surveying takes the curvature of the Earth into account in its measurements; Plane Surveying on the other hand assumes the Earth is flat.  However, Plane Surveying is only done on small scales whereas Geodetic Surveying is done on areas 260 kilometers squared or 161 mile squared and more: “There are two general classifications of surveys: Geodetic and Plane.  When measuring a small area, such as surveying for a small construction job, the area is assumed to be flat, aka. the survey occurs on a flat plane.  This is a Plane Survey.  Because the world is not flat vertical error results from this assumption.  Over a distance of 300 feet this error would only be 0.002 feet, negligible even for very precise projects.  Along a five-mile survey distance, however this vertical distance error would be over 14 feet.  When surveying a large area such as a long highway or an entire state it becomes imperative to account for the curvature of the Earth.  The Earth is not flat planet.  This is called a Geodetic Survey.”  In Geodesy a level plane is a line that is perpendicular to the direction of gravity at every point.  A level plane is thus a curved surface.  A horizontal plane on the other hand is perfectly straight: “Ok, we have a level surface.  If you look right here, here's a level surface right there.  You'll notice some properties about that.  So the definition of it: it's a curved surface that at every point is perpendicular to the local plumbline.  Another way to define that level surface is also the equipotential surface, the potential of gravity is equal at every point along that line.  So the big thing I want you to understand when we talk about level and and everything is: a level surface is curved, meaning it has the same elevation at every point.  A horizontal plane; if you look right here, that line there, that's our horizontal plane.  A horizontal plane is a plane that's perpendicular to the local gravity vector.”  The water on the Suez Canal naturally follows the curvature of the Earth as seen by the hull of this boat disappearing behind the horizon.  The Golden Gate Bridge the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, the Humber Estuary Bridge and the Normandy Bridge all have towers that are further apart at the top than at the base to account for the curvature of the Earth.  The end of Volkswagon's 8.7 kilometer test track in Ehra-Lessien, Germany cannot be seen due to the curvature of the Earth: "We're doing 258, 26- I'm going faster I can speak 300, 320.  That is amazing.  It's so stable.  I'm already up to 340."  The horizon looks flat from ground view because it is a geometric circle of a sphere, which is a horizontal cut through a sphere.  Some Flat Earthers claim one cannot see further than the horizon due to substances in the atmosphere.  However the International Visibility Code shows that the meteorological optical range for an exceptionally clear day is over 27 nautical miles or 31 statute miles.  This fact combined with the extremely low refractive index of air, and the change in distance to the horizon the higher one goes in altitude, makes it clear that a limited view of the horizon is principally due to the curvature of the Earth rather than to visibility conditions.  Many pilots and others claim that from 60,000 feet in altitude the curvature of the Earth is clearly visible.  The Concorde flew at this altitude.  A plane can automatically adjust its altitude by means of an altimeter.  Pilots also often make small adjustments while flying, so any changes needed due to the curvature of the Earth are minimal and a normal part of flying.  A person in an airplane can view a sunset twice by climbing in altitude just after the sun has set.  Flat Earthers claim the sunset is an optical illusion.  Some posit a theory called Electromagnetic Acceleration, also known as Bendy Light, which states that light mysteriously bends upwards.  They have no evidence for this.  For the sunset to be an optical illusion the horizon would have to be above eye level which is clearly contrary to the fact that at sea level the horizon is slightly below eye level.  The Bendy Light theory also posits that different colors of light do not refract at different frequencies.  This is easily proven false by a white light passing through a prism.  Rainbows are natural example of this effect, as is the blue color of the sky due to an effect called Rayleigh Scattering.  For more information, see the article in the description box, 101 Globe Earth Facts, as well as the videos, Did The Catholic Church Teach The Earth Is Flat?, and Amazing Evidence For God - Scientific Evidence For God.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
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