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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #930 on: August 22, 2017, 02:23:19 AM »
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    You're at a loss? Surprise, surprise. No more fantasy and false premises to dole out today?
    No more quotes from the apocryphal Book of Enoch?
    If the sun's an electric light bulb, where is that in Scripture?
    Did Moses understand electric light bulbs too? He wrote the Pentateuch. Enoch didn't.
    Like I said, the Church never taught the shape of the earth.
    The writings of the Doctors in regards to things not relating to the Faith has nothing to do with Church teaching.
    Your quotes say nothing about the Church teaching regarding the shape of the earth.
    There never has been and there never will be any such teaching.
    It's not the business of the Church to teach things we can observe with our own 5 senses.
    That is, unless you're a flat-earther who can't believe your eyes.
    Read it and weep.
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    WRONG.  Moses taught earth is flat, early Church Fathers and notable Catholics who battled paganism in their day, saints, and scripture all teach that earth is flat. The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that Jerusalem is in the center of the flat earth and that there are no antipodes.  Get a clue! Exactly ZERO Catholics prior to the 1500's  taught earth is a hovering globe.  That's right! There is ZERO Catholic teaching for the magical sticky globe whose water clings to the outside.  Whether you can handle it or not, simple math and science and the Catholic Church prove the earth is flat.    
    Read it and beep.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #931 on: August 22, 2017, 02:27:54 AM »
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    Sunspots (one word) are phenomena exclusive to an electric light? So they do not occur to an electric light, is what that means.
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    Then you say the sun is an electric light, not a gaseous body (where is your evidence?) but it and all the luminaries are electric, you say.
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    Electric lights were invented just a hundred plus years ago. Was the sun not shining before that?
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    By "the luminaries" you mean what? Prophets? Soothsayers? Or for example, the moon?
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    The next non-sequitur, "Dark spots are common for lights," does not seem to follow.
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    Are you copying and pasting from some other source since you don't have your own ans
    Obviously, you have some study to do.  The solar system and the lights in it are electric, not full of hot gas like NASA.  


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #932 on: August 24, 2017, 04:28:52 PM »
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  • Such foolishness...
    Quote from: mw2016
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    It is worth noting that besides the fact that there are ZERO references into the Bible of the earth as being a globe, or a ball, that the earth is referred to as a "footstool" of the Lord. Think about that. This is because God the Father is seated on His throne. The earth is His footstool. A footstool is a FLAT surface with four pillars. What a coincidence that Genesis describes the earth as such!     Can you place your feet on a ball-shaped footstool?    No, you cannot.
    I cannot??


    How about that?!  Any more absurdities to offer...  Next?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #933 on: August 24, 2017, 04:32:39 PM »
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  • Obviously, you have some study to do.  The solar system and the lights in it are electric, not full of hot gas like NASA.  
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    Do you enjoy being a laughingstock?           :jester:            :facepalm:
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #934 on: August 24, 2017, 04:43:57 PM »
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  • WRONG.  Moses taught earth is flat, early Church Fathers and notable Catholics who battled paganism in their day, saints, and scripture all teach that earth is flat. The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that Jerusalem is in the center of the flat earth and that there are no antipodes.  Get a clue! Exactly ZERO Catholics prior to the 1500's  taught earth is a hovering globe.  That's right! There is ZERO Catholic teaching for the magical sticky globe whose water clings to the outside.  Whether you can handle it or not, simple math and science and the Catholic Church prove the earth is flat.    
    Read it and beep.
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    Have you suddenly given up on Enoch? What happened?? 
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    After I informed you the Book of Enoch wasn't Scripture you had to go back and double check because you've never read the Bible? Is that what happened?!?
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    And then you found out that your mentors over at flat-earth-tards who are really pagans pretending to be Christians were misleading you all the time and you believed them without checking sources and were under the illusion that the Book of Enoch was recognized by the Church? Is that what happened?!?!
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    And now that you have egg all over your face you're trying to make the past go away so everyone will forget how often you referred to Enoch and his teaching when it is nowhere at all to be found in the Bible?? Is that what happened?!?!
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #935 on: August 24, 2017, 04:58:10 PM »
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  • As much as I think about the flat earth I focus on one point that I cannot understand. The sun's movement in the sky. I cannot reconcile how the sun moves in the sky with the flat earth models I have seen. If in the flat earth model the sun rose from the east and set in the west and at night went below the flat earth it would make sense and the sun would move the same way as it is observed but then you would have to say there is a vast conspiracy about time zones, but the model where the sun is moving around in a big circle over the flat earth and never sets just does not seem to fit the way the sun moves in the sky. So I do not believe it.
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    Flat-earthers are still at a loss for how to answer Matto's question.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #936 on: August 24, 2017, 05:03:57 PM »
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  • *studying

    at least you didn't call him a "moran", or is that busting someone for being Irish?
    Obviously, you have some study to do.  The solar system and the lights in it are electric, not full of hot gas like NASA. 
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #937 on: August 24, 2017, 06:54:16 PM »
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    Flat-earthers are still at a loss for how to answer Matto's question.
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    Matto is on point.  The flat earth models of a circular pattern over a circular earth do not work, imho.  The workings are said by God to be above our understanding (in Job), yet there are clues given by Enoch and Cosmas that indicate the earth is a flat rectangle, with heaven connected to the dome of the earth like a block of stone, and the sun and moon moving across from east to west as the stars orbit and retrograde above, depending.  Until the models are fully researched, and the math and movements of the celestials are docuмented, we don't have proof of the circling sun.    


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #938 on: August 24, 2017, 09:17:34 PM »
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  • And how do round earthers explain how so many people have stumbled off the edge of the earth?

    *Disclaimer: I apologize if this question makes anybody look stupid.
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    Hey, how come the flat-earthers are ignoring you, OCHA? That's not fair. If I were you, I'd get on their case about that!!
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #939 on: August 24, 2017, 09:41:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 20, 2017, 03:00:39 PM

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    False. The Church never taught the shape of the earth.
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    Lactentius in the Divine institutes, Chapter 24 :

    they thought that the world is round like a ball, and
    they fancied that the heaven revolves in accordance with the motion of
    the heavenly bodies; and thus that the stars and sun, when they have
    set, by the very rapidity of the motion of the world are borne back to
    the east. Therefore they both constructed brazen orbs, as though after
    the figure of the world, and engraved upon them certain monstrous
    images, which they said were constellations.
    ....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have
    once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain
    thing by another; but that I sometimes imagine that they either discuss
    philosophy for the sake of a jest, or purposely and knowingly undertake
    to defend falsehoods, as if to exercise or display their talents on
    false subjects.

    On June 22, the Holy Office formally condemns Galileo for heresy:  

    “We say, pronounce, sentence and declare that you, the said Galileo...have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine which is false and contrary to the Sacred and Divine Scriptures, that the sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the earth moves and is not the center of the world...after it has been declared and defined as contrary to Holy Scripture...From which we are content that you be absolved, provided that...you abjure, curse, and detest before us the aforesaid errors and heresies and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church.”  Pope Urban VIII took full responsibility for the condemnation of Galileo by enforcing “in forma communi” the Congregation’s prohibitions against books holding the Copernican system as truth.
    Reference: Exorciser le spectre de Galilée - Abbe Philippe Marcille, Editions du Sel, 2014, pp 40 and scripturecatholic.com

    St. John Chrysostom Commentary on the Hebrews 8:1

    “Where are those who say that the heaven is in motion? Where are those who think it is spherical? For both these opinions are here swept away.”
    Quoted by Cosmas.


    St. Jerome, Commentary on Isaiah

    God "[had] established the great mass of the land and had gathered it together above the seas and rivers, so that the heaviest element [earth] hangs over the lighter weight waters by the will of God, who like a king sits above the circle of the earth. There are some who assert that this mass is like a point and globe...What, then, will the land be over ...?"



    From the Pontifical Decrees Against The Doctrine The Earth’s Movement by Rev. William W. Roberts

    "Since it has come to the knowledge of the above-named Holy Congregation that the false Pythagorean doctrine, [See: Pythagoras] altogether opposed to the divine Scripture, on the mobility of the earth and the immobility of the sun...this Congregation has decreed that the said books...be suspended till they are corrected; but that the book of Father Paul Antony Foscarini the Carmelite be altogether prohibited and condemned, and all other books that teach the same thing; as the present decree respectively prohibits, condemns, and suspends all...." (pp.56, 57)

    [Why is this significant? The idea that the world was a sphere has been around a long time, but Pythagoras was one of the first to come up with it. This quote shows that the church was not only aware of the round earth error but also that its source was pythagoras]


    Methodius:
    “Resuming  then,  let  us  first  lay  bare,  in  speaking of  those  things  according  to  our  power,  the imposture  of  those  who  boast  as  though  they  alone  had  comprehended  from  what  forms  the  heaven  is arranged,  in  accordance  with  the  hypothesis  of  the  Chaldeans  and  Egyptians.  For *they*  say  that  the circuмference  of  the  world  is  likened  to  the  turnings  of  a  well-rounded  globe,  the  earth  having  a central  point.  For  its  outline  being  spherical,  it  is  necessary,  they  say,  since  there  are  the  same  distances of  the  parts,  that  the  earth  should  be  the  center  of  the  universe,  around  which  as  being  older,  the  heaven is  whirling.  For  if  a  circuмference  is  described  from  the  central  point,  which  seems  to  be  a  circle,  -  for  it is  impossible  for  a  circle  to  be  described  without  a  point,  and  it  is  impossible  for  a  circle  to  be  without  a point,  -  surely  the  earth  consisted  before  all,  they  say,  in  a  state  of  chaos  and  disorganization.  Now certainly  the  wretched  ones  were  overwhelmed  in  the  chaos  of  error,  “because  that,  when  they  knew  God, they  glorified  Him  not  as  God,

    TheophilusTheophilus writing to Autolycus following the LXX says:
    The heaven, therefore, being dome-shaped covering, comprehended matter which was like a clod. And so another prophet, Isaiah by name, spoke in these words: It is God who made the heavens as a vault, and stretched them as a tent to dwell in.This heaven which we see has been called firmament, and to which half the water was taken up that it might serve for rains, and showers, and dews to mankind. And half the water was left on earth for rivers, and fountains, and seas (Schaff and Wace 1979, 2:100).
    Theophilus interprets the "circle of the earth" as referring to the vault of heaven.
    much more at
    http://flatearthtards.forumgagaga.net/t60-pertinent-quotes-from-fathers-and-tradition

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    Perhaps nobody has ever explained to you, Cera, what it means when we say that the Church teaches something.
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    What you have above is nothing regarding the Church teaching about the shape of the earth.
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    The Church has never taught what shape the earth has, and she never will teach that, because it's not the kind of thing she teaches.
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    The Church does not tell us what we can or cannot know when we can observe it with our 5 senses. 
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    The Church does not pronounce on the molecular weight of carbon or oxygen or nickle.
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    The Church does not define what is meant by a size 11 shoe in men's, American or European.
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    The Church does not spell out the chemical structure of carbon monoxide, benzine, hydrogen peroxide or sulfuric acid.
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    The Church has not nor will she ever identify the necessary ambient pressure to resist submersion 30 feet under sea water.
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    The Church never has and never will pronounce on the specific distance to the moon at a given time and date from Rome, for example.
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    These are things outside the authority of the Church, and to be realistic, there are much more important things for the Church to do.
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    So forget about hanging what the shape of the earth is on the Church, because it is not fair, honest or real.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #940 on: August 24, 2017, 09:46:27 PM »
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  • Matto is on point.  The flat earth models of a circular pattern over a circular earth do not work, imho.  The workings are said by God to be above our understanding (in Job), yet there are clues given by Enoch and Cosmas that indicate the earth is a flat rectangle, with heaven connected to the dome of the earth like a block of stone, and the sun and moon moving across from east to west as the stars orbit and retrograde above, depending.  Until the models are fully researched, and the math and movements of the celestials are docuмented, we don't have proof of the circling sun.    
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    There you go again quoting from the Book of Enoch. 
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    Why can't you stick to Scripture like you demand of others so often? 
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    "Do as I say, not as I do?" Is that it for you?
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    Are you a hypocrite, or just doing your best to imitate a hypocrite?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #941 on: August 24, 2017, 09:56:30 PM »
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  • Matto is on point.  The flat earth models of a circular pattern over a circular earth do not work, imho.  The workings are said by God to be above our understanding (in Job), yet there are clues given by Enoch and Cosmas that indicate the earth is a flat rectangle, with heaven connected to the dome of the earth like a block of stone, and the sun and moon moving across from east to west as the stars orbit and retrograde above, depending.  Until the models are fully researched, and the math and movements of the celestials are docuмented, we don't have proof of the circling sun.    
    Speaking about not having proof, what ever happened to the poster aryzia who started this whole silly comedy show?  I believe the thread that started this whole debacle was titled Scientific Proof Earth is Not a Globe with 1296 posts and never proved a darn thing!

    Now we have several related threads going on simultaneously around the clock, what gives!!

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #942 on: August 24, 2017, 10:06:56 PM »
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  • I cannot??


    How about that?!  Any more absurdities to offer...  Next?

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    Flat-earthers are a very reliable source of absurdities.
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     :heretic: ???
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #944 on: August 24, 2017, 10:15:51 PM »
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  • I cannot??


    How about that?!  Any more absurdities to offer...  Next?

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    Flat-earthers are a very reliable source of absurdities.
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    "Lord, have mercy".