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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #705 on: June 18, 2017, 07:37:20 PM »
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  • Already known as the 'Great American Eclipse', the 2017 total solar eclipse is a spectacular one. Not only because the United States almost patented this eclipse, but because it runs from beginning till end through the US. Exactly parallel with the long axis of this country, it goes from west to east, through a staggering 10 states with maximum eclipse being visible in Kentucky at 18.25.32 Universal Coordinated Time (UTC, or "UT" for short). Second, it occurs high in the sky during the peak of the summer. This is as good as it can get! Expect many astronomers to broadcast this amazing event, brought to you through their own telescope.

    The 114.7 km wide path of totality will ensure that millions will be able to watch it. The rest of North America, including the north of South America and even small parts of western Europa and Africa will see a partial block of the solar disk. You will get a good idea of the Sun-Moon-Earth system when watching the solar disk coverage from your location and comparing this with how it looks from different locations through different live streams.

    If you are a US citizen and reading this, we hope you realize the impact of this grant astronomical phenomenon. Although the majority will be able to see a partial blockage of the solar disk, from almost everywhere in the US, it is NOT comparable with experiencing totality. Totality is a phenomenon where your eyes (+ eclipse glasses!) are able to see incredible details that are normally hidden. Most intriguing is the Sun's outer environment called the 'corona' which is Latin for crown. The corona is normally invisible to the human eye, due to the extreme brightness of the Sun's glare.

    Also you might spot a solar flare! Solar flares are a thousand-fold more powerful than atomic bomb explosions, being blasted in space. Because these flares occur regularly, you should be able to watch some small versions at the edge of the solar disk. Imagine a situation where the sky shifts to deep twilight in minutes, birds go silent, it gets colder very quickly and the incredible celestial dance taking place in front of your eyes. Most people say this is the most incredible thing to see. An event that silences the most loud people. And this all will not be visible when you are "one inch" outside the path of totality.

    So let's say we have convinced you to travel to the path of totality. You should know some facts for an optimal experience! Imagine if you were standing right on the outer edges of the 114.7 km path (North or South side), your totality will last only a fraction of a second. Going more to the middle will increase the time you are able to enjoy it, with a maximum of 2 minutes and 41.6 seconds, depending on your location.

    Author: Sander Klieverik
    Main image: Total Solar Eclipse 2012 by Phil Hart - http://philhart.com
    Map image; copyright Fred Espenak - NASA's GSFC
    Image right (below): Solar eclipse 2009 by Aaron Favila 


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #706 on: June 18, 2017, 07:45:14 PM »
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  • See reply#693. Perhaps you missed it....though you did quote it. You didn't address it at all.
    Are you talking about this?
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    Quote from: happenby on June 05, 2017, 07:58:54 AM
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    This is all a bunch of garbage.  No one cares what pagans measure because their stick is crooked. Eratosthenes was a liar in the manner of Hom and his progeny Pythagoras.  He and Copernicus, Keplar, Newton and Galileo were occult dabbling pagan philosophers and full on liars.  With a stack of saints against this rabble, along with the teachings of scripture and Catholic writings, not to mention empirical science, the heliocentric model continues to crash to hell.  So many words from the pagans, so little content.  

    Quote from: happenby on June 05, 2017, 08:08:42 AM
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    Ha ha, using this example, with the 93,000,000 miles distance to the heliocentric sun, the angles for said triangle (specifically the smallest angle near the sun, would not even produce a triangle, but a straight line, nearly parallel to the next side of the "triangle" for several million miles, if not the entire distances to earth. To even suggest this graphic might work means the sun has to be a lot less than 100,000 miles from earth for the outer angle near the sun to even present itself as measurable. Oops.  Back to your debunking Catholic teaching drawing board. 
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    Would you like me to break it down into a list of questions for you?
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    1. This is all a bunch of garbage.
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    What should I say about that? I have been very diligent in providing details and it is all thrown back in my face calling my work "garbage." What would you do?
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    2. No one cares what pagans measure because their stick is crooked. 
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    Now my measurements are pagan and my stick is crooked? I didn't use a stick. And I am not pagan. 
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    Sorry, I fail to see what "points" it is to which you refer. Please make a list of intelligent questions and then we can talk.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #707 on: June 18, 2017, 08:27:46 PM »
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    This is a little chart showing the four stages of contact in a total solar eclipse.
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    Is this "pagan" too?  :facepalm:
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    The sun is the yellow disc and the moon is the black disc. The first contact is when the moon's disc "touches" or first comes in contact with the edge of the sun's disc, from the point of view of the observer on earth. That is, the curved surface of the spherical earth. The fact that the earth's surface is curved is proved by the path of the eclipse over the planet: it is a curved path, the shape of the moon's shadow is stretched out in one direction at the start and in another direction at the end, due to the curvature of the earth's surface and the way the circular shadow of the moon falls on the curved surface of the earth.
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    These "contact 2" and "contact 3" diagrams are depicted here a bit off so you can still see the sun, in order to show you how the sun is moving behind the moon, for during totality the sun is entirely hidden behind the moon, as the viewer is standing under the umbra portion of the moon's shadow. The umbra owes its existence to the fact that the moon is much smaller than the sun, about 400 times smaller in diameter. But the moon is much closer to earth than the sun is, about 410 times closer. Since these two figures are so close to the same (400 and 410), the sun's disc and the moon's disc appear to be more or less the same size.

    Sometimes the sun looks larger (when the earth is closer to the sun in their paths) than the moon (when the moon is further away in its path from the earth), and sometimes the sun appears smaller than the moon. When the umbra reaches the earth we get a total solar eclipse. When the umbra extends only to a point short of the earth's surface we get partial solar eclipse. Sometimes a particular eclipse can start out partial, become total in the middle, and then fade away as a partial eclipse at the end. There are many possibilities, all due to the fact that the earth's surface is curved and the relative paths of the earth, moon and sun are curved as well.
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    The following diagram was made after the 2006 eclipse of March 29th:



    The sun's perimeter is shown as a dotted line here instead of a bright ring around the moon's disc in the first diagram, above.
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    It's worth noting that while the little grey arrow in the moon here points left, both sun and moon are moving across the sky from left to right, but the moon appears to move to the left because the sun is effectively passing it up as they both traverse the sky above.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #708 on: June 19, 2017, 05:15:04 AM »
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  • Mr. Obstat,

    you are a very strange man. None of these things you post disprove the flat earth. Simply because globalists have an "explanation" for phenomena and flat earthers do not, does not prove that the earth is a globe, and is not flat.

    Your theory, that the earth is round is visibly false to anyone who has eyes. This is the motivation for getting people to believe it.

    People should watch this video which would be impossible on a round earth of your size.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #709 on: June 19, 2017, 11:26:35 AM »
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  • Despite some atheist rhetoric (just ignore it), this video exposes "flat earth" retardation.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/JgY8zNZ35uw[/youtube]
    The only retardation here is the denial of flat earth seen by the senses, denial of Church teaching, denial of scripture, denial of Fathers and Saints.  Either these globalists cannot read, or retardation applies.  


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #710 on: June 19, 2017, 11:31:39 AM »
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  • .
    This is a little chart showing the four stages of contact in a total solar eclipse.
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    Is this "pagan" too?  :facepalm:
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    The sun is the yellow disc and the moon is the black disc. The first contact is when the moon's disc "touches" or first comes in contact with the edge of the sun's disc, from the point of view of the observer on earth. That is, the curved surface of the spherical earth. The fact that the earth's surface is curved is proved by the path of the eclipse over the planet: it is a curved path, the shape of the moon's shadow is stretched out in one direction at the start and in another direction at the end, due to the curvature of the earth's surface and the way the circular shadow of the moon falls on the curved surface of the earth.
    .
    These "contact 2" and "contact 3" diagrams are depicted here a bit off so you can still see the sun, in order to show you how the sun is moving behind the moon, for during totality the sun is entirely hidden behind the moon, as the viewer is standing under the umbra portion of the moon's shadow. The umbra owes its existence to the fact that the moon is much smaller than the sun, about 400 times smaller in diameter. But the moon is much closer to earth than the sun is, about 410 times closer. Since these two figures are so close to the same (400 and 410), the sun's disc and the moon's disc appear to be more or less the same size.

    Sometimes the sun looks larger (when the earth is closer to the sun in their paths) than the moon (when the moon is further away in its path from the earth), and sometimes the sun appears smaller than the moon. When the umbra reaches the earth we get a total solar eclipse. When the umbra extends only to a point short of the earth's surface we get partial solar eclipse. Sometimes a particular eclipse can start out partial, become total in the middle, and then fade away as a partial eclipse at the end. There are many possibilities, all due to the fact that the earth's surface is curved and the relative paths of the earth, moon and sun are curved as well.
    .
    The following diagram was made after the 2006 eclipse of March 29th:



    The sun's perimeter is shown as a dotted line here instead of a bright ring around the moon's disc in the first diagram, above.
    .
    It's worth noting that while the little grey arrow in the moon here points left, both sun and moon are moving across the sky from left to right, but the moon appears to move to the left because the sun is effectively passing it up as they both traverse the sky above.
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    One wonders where these Baal earthers come up with this stuff.  What's funny is that they go to the ends of the internet to find something to show their understanding while they refuse to understand.  And refuse Church teaching.  This is all parroted garbage from the indoctrinated.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #711 on: June 24, 2017, 02:16:47 PM »
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  • Mr. Obstat,

    you are a very strange man. None of these things you post disprove the flat earth. Simply because globalists have an "explanation" for phenomena and flat earthers do not, does not prove that the earth is a globe, and is not flat.

    Your theory, that the earth is round is visibly false to anyone who has eyes. This is the motivation for getting people to believe it.

    People should watch this video which would be impossible on a round earth of your size.


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    I've seen that video and I've critiqued it from beginning to end. It's full of lies, half-truths and deceptions.
    See previous posts. Please do not quote nonsense. It makes you look stupid.
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    Please explain to me how the phases of the moon that we see are what would be expected if the earth were "flat."
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    Take any phase you like, and describe how it is seen in any given time zone from the northern latitudes to the southern latitudes, such as Greenland to South Africa.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #712 on: June 24, 2017, 02:25:41 PM »
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  • One wonders where these Baal earthers come up with this stuff.  What's funny is that they go to the ends of the internet to find something to show their understanding while they refuse to understand.  And refuse Church teaching.  This is all parroted garbage from the indoctrinated.
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    You keep blathering on and on about "Church teaching" when the Church has never pronounced on the shape of the earth.
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    Nor has the Church ever been definitive about the chemical structure of water, or the molecular weight of Hydrogen, or the solubility of amino acids. 
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    Get a clue.
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    Every time the moon rises in the east it shows us the earth is not flat.
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    We see the same phase of the moon from the north pole to the south pole, every day, 365 days a year. If the earth were "flat" that would not be the case.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #713 on: June 24, 2017, 02:36:00 PM »
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  • Already known as the 'Great American Eclipse', the 2017 total solar eclipse is a spectacular one. Not only because the United States almost patented this eclipse, but because it runs from beginning till end through the US. Exactly parallel with the long axis of this country, it goes from west to east, through a staggering 10 states with maximum eclipse being visible in Kentucky at 18.25.32 Universal Coordinated Time (UTC, or "UT" for short). Second, it occurs high in the sky during the peak of the summer. This is as good as it can get! Expect many astronomers to broadcast this amazing event, brought to you through their own telescope.

    The 114.7 km wide path of totality will ensure that millions will be able to watch it. The rest of North America, including the north of South America and even small parts of western Europa and Africa will see a partial block of the solar disk. You will get a good idea of the Sun-Moon-Earth system when watching the solar disk coverage from your location and comparing this with how it looks from different locations through different live streams.

    If you are a US citizen and reading this, we hope you realize the impact of this grant astronomical phenomenon. Although the majority will be able to see a partial blockage of the solar disk, from almost everywhere in the US, it is NOT comparable with experiencing totality. Totality is a phenomenon where your eyes (+ eclipse glasses!) are able to see incredible details that are normally hidden. Most intriguing is the Sun's outer environment called the 'corona' which is Latin for crown. The corona is normally invisible to the human eye, due to the extreme brightness of the Sun's glare.

    Also you might spot a solar flare! Solar flares are a thousand-fold more powerful than atomic bomb explosions, being blasted in space. Because these flares occur regularly, you should be able to watch some small versions at the edge of the solar disk. Imagine a situation where the sky shifts to deep twilight in minutes, birds go silent, it gets colder very quickly and the incredible celestial dance taking place in front of your eyes. Most people say this is the most incredible thing to see. An event that silences the most loud people. And this all will not be visible when you are "one inch" outside the path of totality.

    So let's say we have convinced you to travel to the path of totality. You should know some facts for an optimal experience! Imagine if you were standing right on the outer edges of the 114.7 km path (North or South side), your totality will last only a fraction of a second. Going more to the middle will increase the time you are able to enjoy it, with a maximum of 2 minutes and 41.6 seconds, depending on your location.

    Author: Sander Klieverik
    Main image: Total Solar Eclipse 2012 by Phil Hart - http://philhart.com
    Map image; copyright Fred Espenak - NASA's GSFC
    Image right (below): Solar eclipse 2009 by Aaron Favila


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    We are counting down to the biggest nationwide one-day party in the history of astronomy in the USA, less than 2 months away now.
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    Millions of people are making plans to see the total solar eclipse in August.
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    If the earth were "flat" there would be no way of predicting this event.
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    Flat-earthers are honest enough to admit they have no idea what causes a solar eclipse, and that is the case because their model is false and there is no way a solar eclipse could take place in their model. Not only that, the precise timing, location and path of the moon's shadow could not be predicted with the flat-earth model due to the simple fact that the relative locations of the sun and moon in their model cannot be determined nor described.
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    Before you can say where the eclipse will begin and at what time, you have to first obtain the precise location of the sun and moon, and flat-earthers categorically cannot describe where the sun is in their model, nor where the moon is, at any given time. 
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    Flat-earthism is entirely non-scientific, nonsensical and self-contradictory.
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    Get used to the truth.
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    Wake up.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #714 on: June 24, 2017, 02:41:25 PM »
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  • One wonders where these Baal earthers come up with this stuff.  What's funny is that they go to the ends of the internet to find something to show their understanding while they refuse to understand.  And refuse Church teaching.  This is all parroted garbage from the indoctrinated.
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    Have you ever seen a total solar eclipse? Maybe this one coming in August will be your chance to experience it first hand, and then you will know something real, for a change.
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    I have several books in my library with hundreds of diagrams and photos of solar eclipses and all the technical names for the various components thereof. But I can't post pages of hard copies here, so I found some images on the Internet to take their place, and what happens? You complain about it.
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    Go figure.
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    No matter what I provide to substantiate what I'm saying you complain.
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    But notice you have nothing to post to support your own claims, and there is a reason for that.
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    Your claims are nonsense, and unsupportable.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #715 on: June 24, 2017, 03:34:15 PM »
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    I've seen that video and I've critiqued it from beginning to end. It's full of lies, half-truths and deceptions.
    See previous posts. Please do not quote nonsense. It makes you look stupid.
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    Please explain to me how the phases of the moon that we see are what would be expected if the earth were "flat."
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    Take any phase you like, and describe how it is seen in any given time zone from the northern latitudes to the southern latitudes, such as Greenland to South Africa.
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    Mr obstat,
    You did critique, but did not explain. How is there over 500 feet that we can see?
    We don't have to answer any of your questions until you can explain this.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #716 on: June 24, 2017, 03:52:30 PM »
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  • Mr obstat,
    You did critique, but did not explain. How is there over 500 feet that we can see?
    We don't have to answer any of your questions until you can explain this.
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    It seems this one thing is really important to you, no? Then please make your question accurate.
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    You'll have to be a bit more clear: 500 feet of what that we can see?
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    Use complete sentences if you want to be understood.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #717 on: June 24, 2017, 04:13:02 PM »
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    It seems this one thing is really important to you, no? Then please make your question accurate.
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    You'll have to be a bit more clear: 500 feet of what that we can see?
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    Use complete sentences if you want to be understood.
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    focus on the issue instead of my grammar

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #718 on: Yesterday at 01:06:15 AM »
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  • focus on the issue instead of my grammar
    Can you even answer a simple question? What 500 feet are you talking about?
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    And by the way, when you post in other threads about flat-earthism, you are violating the forum rules and you could get banned for trolling. So watch out.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #719 on: Yesterday at 10:41:05 AM »
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  • shaking in my boots.

    Regarding your question. I can't make myself any plainer. I think you are being deliberately silly, or else have been drinking.

    Did you have too many whiskeys today? Bit early for it isn't it?

     

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