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We would have an incentive to participate if you could tell us where this is going. MW participated in your experiment, but when she asked where this was all going, you just ignored her.
Not very honest really of you.
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"MW" never replied with her measurement. Did she tell you what it was? If not, then how exactly did she "participate?"
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I said we could go to the next step once you supply your observed angle. But if you don't supply it then you can go watch the video I posted -- probably for the first time! You see, when you behave in a suspicious way you ruin it for everyone who identifies with you. I have tried to carry on conversations with flat-earthers before and they accuse me of not watching the videos they post, but that's false because I DID watch their videos. I just came to different conclusions they did because with my practical experience in surveying, engineering, navigation, mathematics, compass map corrections, etc., I could see where the false premises crept into the videos and consequently I could identify where their erroneous conclusions came from. But the flat-earthers won't listen to experience. They presume that since their silly falsified videos convinced THEM, that they should also convince everyone else.
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BUT THEN, when I post videos, the flat-earthers claim to have seen them. Okay, so if you have seen my videos I posted, you would know how to use a sextant, for example. Oh, sorry, you don't know how to use a sextant, do you, so then you have not watched my videos. Or, for example (getting back to the topic here) you would know exactly where this measuring of the sun and moon's angle is headed because one of my videos explained the whole thing. But now, why would no flat-earther be able to say he understands what I am doing, even while they all claim to have watched the videos I post?!
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Oh, there is one other type, like happenby, who is not ashamed to admit that she wants no part of watching my videos because they're all nonsense. She knows everything, you see.
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It's a simple matter of following the steps, but flat-earthers are well-known for not following direction. They see where they are headed and then they want to change the ground rules, so they can make a left turn before they get to the inevitable end of the block. That is the same pattern of behavior that atheists and agnostics use in regards to religion, by the way.
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If you refuse to measure the moon-sun angle and you can't bother to watch the video that explains it, then try this alternative method:
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Here is another method of doing almost the same thing, using measurements from the Old Farmer's Almanac. But I won't at all be surprised if some flat-earther chimes in accusing the Almanac of being witchcraft or made up by Freemasons. They've already accused Pythagoras of devil worship because of his discovery of the proportions of a right triangle (sum of squares of two legs equals square of hypotenuse). Apparently any scientific discovery that detracts from the "flat" earth agenda must be equivalent to devil worship, okay?
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Anyway, here it is -- an alternative to measuring the angle of the sun and moonIf you observe the sunrise and sunset times
for the past 4 days, you find that (in Daylight Saving time zones)
the mid-point, or "high noon" time is 12:51 pm. (I expect that means if you are in a Standard Time zone, it would be 11:51 am, but that's kind of beside the point.) This means that there are the same number of minutes from sunrise to this mid-point time as there are from the mid-point time to sunset. You have to calculate this mid-point time, because it is not provided in the charts.
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Therefore, I have a question for anyone who has bothered to read this far:
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When, by the positions of the sun and moon, or at what TIME would we expect to find the last quarter moon setting in the west on the day that it turns into a quarter moon? This time, the zero hour was 3:00 am and that is 9:51 hrs. before the sun's mid-point time (12:51).
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If you are basing your reasoning on a "flat" earth model, you're going to be obliged to explain how you get your times, because I have yet to see anyone describe the exact time that the moon is supposed to set or the sun is supposed to rise using a "flat" earth model.
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Even so, we can look in the sky, see the moon and the sun, check our watch, and measure the angle between the two bodies and observe the rotational position of the waning quarter moon at different points as it traverses the sky. By comparing what we see in consecutive days, we find that the scene changes very gradually, but it also changes INEXORABLY, such that there is absolutely NOTHING that any man on earth can do to change the timing of these heavenly bodies.
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This fact is going to come to a climax of sorts in August when a Total Solar Eclipse traverses the contiguous US from Newport/Salem, Oregon to Columbia/Charleston, South Carolina, narrowly glancing by St. Louis, Missouri and Nashville, Tennessee on the way, and there is absolutely NOTHING anyone can do about it.
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And, again, as we might expect, there is no flat-earther on this (flat?) earth who can describe a comprehensible method of predicting this or any other total solar eclipse, NOR can they explain what an eclipse of the sun IS, NOR can they pronounce its efficient cause, NOR can they convincingly describe the reason for its existence.
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