Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 92983 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #450 on:** March 18, 2017, 01:47:41 AM »

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/kmb6BVbaCuI[/youtube]
This video covers finding south AS WELL as finding north, using the Southern Cross.

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If indeed there is a "south pole", how can that one point or pole be demonstrated with a compass? The needle arrow points north only. The the opposite side of the needle, when turning around the north, draws a circle in the outer regions showing there is only one pole--north. The southern region is as scripture describes, "encompassed", as in a "circle" of land within the great deep. The outer regions have not yet been fully circuмnavigated, but the compass and scripture agree that earth is not a globe.

You have never used a compass, have you? Because if you had learned how to find your bearing direction using a compass, you would not be saying these things.

The video above shows how to find south with a celestial guide (instead of a compass) and how knowing where south is can tell you also where north is. This is not rocket science.

The stars are better than a magnetic compass for the latter tells you magnetic north (or south) which is MOVING and not constant, but the stars are much more reliable because their alignment does not change like earth's magnetic field does.

happenby · « **Reply #451 on:** March 18, 2017, 02:01:20 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/kmb6BVbaCuI[/youtube]
This video covers finding south AS WELL as finding north, using the Southern Cross.

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If indeed there is a "south pole", how can that one point or pole be demonstrated with a compass? The needle arrow points north only. The the opposite side of the needle, when turning around the north, draws a circle in the outer regions showing there is only one pole--north. The southern region is as scripture describes, "encompassed", as in a "circle" of land within the great deep. The outer regions have not yet been fully circuмnavigated, but the compass and scripture agree that earth is not a globe.

You have never used a compass, have you? Because if you had learned how to find your bearing direction using a compass, you would not be saying these things.

The video above shows how to find south with a celestial guide (instead of a compass) and how knowing where south is can tell you also where north is. This is not rocket science.

The stars are better than a magnetic compass for the latter tells you magnetic north (or south) which is MOVING and not constant, but the stars are much more reliable because their alignment does not change like earth's magnetic field does.

Actually, I agree with the fact that there is a directional south. But the compass still does not work on a globe, and will only point to true south in very limited circuмstances because the back end of a compass draws a circle as one goes around the north. This is simply a fact regarding the compass. But none of this is inconsistent with a flat earth. A compass, held flat at the equator can never point to the north pole on a globe because the needle will be perpendicular to north while one holds it standing on any side of the ball, proving that earth is not a globe.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #452 on:** March 18, 2017, 02:50:08 AM »

So you think the needle has to point at the north pole?

No, the needle of a compass points which way the traveler has to GO to be traveling north.

At the equator, a compass on the surface of the earth points to the north star. And as one travels north, the star rises in the sky, because the course taken is curved, on the curved surface of a spherical planet. Very simple.

.....That is, unless you have a curiously obtuse agenda, which compels you to say that a compass doesn't work.

FlatEarthInquisitor · « **Reply #453 on:** March 18, 2017, 07:36:38 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

So you think the needle has to point at the north pole?

No, the needle of a compass points which way the traveler has to GO to be traveling north.

At the equator, a compass on the surface of the earth points to the north star. And as one travels north, the star rises in the sky, because the course taken is curved, on the curved surface of a spherical planet. Very simple.

.....That is, unless you have a curiously obtuse agenda, which compels you to say that a compass doesn't work.

You have to be joking. Are you really so retarded as to think that disproves the flat earth? After all you have been following on it? Have you even read the responses? Have you fully watched the video on the stars?

For people of good will confused by Neils dishonest statements: The North star rises as you go further north, because the angle gets wider. You are getting closer to going "under" it.

The video again.

happenby · « **Reply #454 on:** March 18, 2017, 10:57:32 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/kmb6BVbaCuI[/youtube]
This video covers finding south AS WELL as finding north, using the Southern Cross.

Quote

If indeed there is a "south pole", how can that one point or pole be demonstrated with a compass? The needle arrow points north only. The the opposite side of the needle, when turning around the north, draws a circle in the outer regions showing there is only one pole--north. The southern region is as scripture describes, "encompassed", as in a "circle" of land within the great deep. The outer regions have not yet been fully circuмnavigated, but the compass and scripture agree that earth is not a globe.

You have never used a compass, have you? Because if you had learned how to find your bearing direction using a compass, you would not be saying these things.

The video above shows how to find south with a celestial guide (instead of a compass) and how knowing where south is can tell you also where north is. This is not rocket science.

The stars are better than a magnetic compass for the latter tells you magnetic north (or south) which is MOVING and not constant, but the stars are much more reliable because their alignment does not change like earth's magnetic field does.

Please. A compass works within the magnetic fields of EARTH. The north "pole" to be exact. Necessarily, were anyone to locate the north pole with a compass, they would have to be on the same level as the north pole, or the compass wouldn't work, since the compass necessarily must be held level. Held level at the equator on a globe, a compass leaves a perpendicular line that points out in space, not to the pole.

Matto · « **Reply #455 on:** March 18, 2017, 11:40:32 AM »

https://www.polar-quest.com/trips/antarctica/fly-to-the-south-pole-2017

You can fly to the South Pole now and go look for the ice wall. Maybe you can ask one of the pilots about how big Antarctica is and if they ever saw the ice wall and the edge of the flat earth.

happenby · « **Reply #456 on:** March 18, 2017, 11:42:22 AM »

Quote from: Matto

https://www.polar-quest.com/trips/antarctica/fly-to-the-south-pole-2017

You can fly to the South Pole now and go look for the ice wall. Maybe you can ask one of the pilots about how big Antarctica is and if they ever saw the ice wall and the edge of the flat earth.

Unlikely, but that doesn't mean the earth isn't flat.

mw2016 · « **Reply #457 on:** March 18, 2017, 12:51:09 PM »

Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor

For people of good will confused by Neils dishonest statements: The North star rises as you go further north, because the angle gets wider. You are getting closer to going "under" it.

The video again.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ahNfU7zYlmY&t=4s[/youtube]

^^THIS^^

happenby · « **Reply #458 on:** March 18, 2017, 02:55:27 PM »

Notice Neil isn't really arguing the globe, but seems to find pleasure in countering with smoke and mirrors in order to find that one single argument that might discredit scripture.

Cera · « **Reply #459 on:** March 19, 2017, 07:05:57 PM »

Quote from: Matto on March 18, 2017, 11:40:32 AM

https://www.polar-quest.com/trips/antarctica/fly-to-the-south-pole-2017

You can fly to the South Pole now and go look for the ice wall. Maybe you can ask one of the pilots about how big Antarctica is and if they ever saw the ice wall and the edge of the flat earth.

Tourists are taken to an icy area, where a South Pole sign is planted and are told they are at the south pole.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #460 on:** March 19, 2017, 10:47:35 PM »

Here is a quick lesson in great circle usefulness.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #461 on:** March 19, 2017, 10:57:08 PM »

And this one explains 3 types of map projections of the spherical earth:

aryzia · « **Reply #462 on:** March 20, 2017, 04:05:34 PM »

Ok, so they can project a global map based on a flat earth map or vise versa means earth is a globe? Or that what was once known as plane sailing is now called circle sailing, so that means earth is a globe? These don't prove earth is not flat. So why use these examples? Unless you don't have proof that earth is a globe. Sorry, just being reasonable.

mw2016 · « **Reply #463 on:** March 20, 2017, 06:26:52 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on March 19, 2017, 10:47:35 PM

Here is a quick lesson in great circle usefulness.

Why give us a map lesson on an object that does not exist? What is your point?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #464 on:** March 22, 2017, 01:04:45 AM »

Quote from: mw2016 on March 20, 2017, 06:26:52 PM

Why give us a map lesson on an object that does not exist? What is your point?

The point is, the rhumb line is easy to follow because the bearing is kept constant and the navigator doesn't have to constantly adjust bearing to follow the great circle route in order to achieve the shortest distance.

Near the end of this video it shows two points in the northern hemisphere, something like a city in Canada and a city in Scandinavia (or thereabouts) where the rhumb line distance (nearly constant latitude) is much greater than the great circle distance, the latter of which takes the course through the arctic. If viewed on a "flat" earth map with the north pole in the center, both courses are curved. The great circle course will appear to be longer than a route following an apparently straight line on the flat map, but if you actually plot those courses and measure the distance, the apparently straight line course is actually longer than the apparently curved great circle route!!

But more tellingly, the rhumb line course takes the transit far afield in the other direction, which seems to be absurdly out of the way. It appears to be nearly twice as far as the apparently straight line route. (The rhumb line course is indeed longer but the video's drawing exaggerates it a lot.)

In the end, rhumb line courses are easy to follow because you don't have to adjust your course heading, you just keep it the same the whole way. But you end up traveling further, that is, unless your are traveling over the equator or along a meridian. By understanding how rhumb lines work, one is better able to comprehend the significance of great circle routes, which do not have any relation to a projection of the spherical earth on a flat map. In order to find the great circle route you need to consider the distance to the center of the earth from any given point on the route. This is often approximated by an average distance to the earth's center, and the results are close enough to allow for corrections near the end of the flight or course (air or water).

Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 92983 times)

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