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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #735 on: July 11, 2017, 04:30:19 PM »
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  • This past week, the full moon has been very low in the sky compared to the sun.
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    The moon has been crossing the sky at night this week, while the sun (obviously) traverses the sky during daytime. But if you keep track of where on the horizon the sun rises and sets, and its elevation overhead at various times of the day, you can compare that to the moon's path.
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    Since there is a total solar eclipse coming next month, one might expect that the path of the moon would be very close to the path of the sun this month, as the two have to coincide during a total eclipse.
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    However, that is not what is happening. The sun crosses the sky very high these days (especially due to the fact that we recently had the summer solstice which is the longest day of the year, when the sun is highest in the sky in the northern hemisphere). But the moon has been just about as LOW in the sky as it ever is, only about half as high as the sun.
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    And the moon has been rising in the east around 30 degrees further south than the sun rises, and it's been setting around 30 degrees further south from where the sun has been setting.
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    It is noteworthy to see this happen because there will have to be a dramatic change in these alignments during the next month in order for the eclipse to occur.
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    This eclipse (like all eclipses of the sun) will occur on a New Moon. That will be when the moon crosses the sky during the daytime. The moon is very difficult to see when it's a new moon, since the brightness of the sun in our atmosphere obscures the moon especially when it is close to the sun. Most people watching a solar eclipse have no idea where the moon is until it starts to move across the visible disc of the sun.
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    It is really important not to look directly at the sun in the sky because it can destroy your retinas in your eyes.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #736 on: July 12, 2017, 01:42:54 PM »
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  • This past week, the full moon has been very low in the sky compared to the sun.
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    The moon has been crossing the sky at night this week, while the sun (obviously) traverses the sky during daytime. But if you keep track of where on the horizon the sun rises and sets, and its elevation overhead at various times of the day, you can compare that to the moon's path.
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    Since there is a total solar eclipse coming next month, one might expect that the path of the moon would be very close to the path of the sun this month, as the two have to coincide during a total eclipse.
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    However, that is not what is happening. The sun crosses the sky very high these days (especially due to the fact that we recently had the summer solstice which is the longest day of the year, when the sun is highest in the sky in the northern hemisphere). But the moon has been just about as LOW in the sky as it ever is, only about half as high as the sun.
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    And the moon has been rising in the east around 30 degrees further south than the sun rises, and it's been setting around 30 degrees further south from where the sun has been setting.
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    It is noteworthy to see this happen because there will have to be a dramatic change in these alignments during the next month in order for the eclipse to occur.
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    This eclipse (like all eclipses of the sun) will occur on a New Moon. That will be when the moon crosses the sky during the daytime. The moon is very difficult to see when it's a new moon, since the brightness of the sun in our atmosphere obscures the moon especially when it is close to the sun. Most people watching a solar eclipse have no idea where the moon is until it starts to move across the visible disc of the sun.
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    It is really important not to look directly at the sun in the sky because it can destroy your retinas in your eyes.
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    Enoch explains the movement of the sun and moon.  Early Church Fathers support his teachings.  Sun and moon pass through windows in the east, traverse a path across the earth, then exit through windows in the west.  They traverse at different speeds and paths; and the position of the window they enter or exit determines the time of year and the seasons.  Until you rule this out, and provide grounds for doing so, you are obliged to reconcile your preconceived notions with this biblical model that includes detailed operations of celestials within the firmament.    
    There are plenty of clues that modern science is lying to us anyway.  
        


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #737 on: July 14, 2017, 04:05:53 AM »
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  • Neil,

    What are you on? Bourbon or Scotch?

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #738 on: July 14, 2017, 04:10:10 AM »
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  • As I went home on Monday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw a horse outside the door where my old horse should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns that horse outside the door where my old horse should be?

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    That's a lovely sow that me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But a saddle on a sow sure I never saw before

    And as I went home on Tuesday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw a coat behind the door where my old coat should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns that coat behind the door where my old coat should be

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    That's a woollen blanket that me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But buttons in a blanket sure I never saw before

    And as I went home on Wednesday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw a pipe up on the chair where my old pipe should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns that pipe up on the chair where my old pipe should be

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    That's a lovely tin whistle that me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But tobacco in a tin whistle sure I never saw before

    And as I went home on Thursday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw two boots beneath the bed where my old boots should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns them boots beneath the bed where my old boots should be

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    They're two lovely Geranium pots me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But laces in Geranium pots I never saw before

    And as I went home on Friday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw a head upon the bed where my old head should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns that head upon the bed where my old head should be

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    That's a baby boy that me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But a baby boy with his whiskers on sure I never saw before

    And as I went home on Saturday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw....
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns ....where ....


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #739 on: July 15, 2017, 01:56:15 PM »
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  • Oh, its humor time!


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #740 on: July 15, 2017, 08:51:59 PM »
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  • As I went home on Monday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw a horse outside the door where my old horse should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns that horse outside the door where my old horse should be?

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    That's a lovely sow that me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But a saddle on a sow sure I never saw before

    And as I went home on Tuesday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw a coat behind the door where my old coat should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns that coat behind the door where my old coat should be

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    That's a woollen blanket that me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But buttons in a blanket sure I never saw before

    And as I went home on Wednesday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw a pipe up on the chair where my old pipe should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns that pipe up on the chair where my old pipe should be

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    That's a lovely tin whistle that me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But tobacco in a tin whistle sure I never saw before

    And as I went home on Thursday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw two boots beneath the bed where my old boots should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns them boots beneath the bed where my old boots should be

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    They're two lovely Geranium pots me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But laces in Geranium pots I never saw before

    And as I went home on Friday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw a head upon the bed where my old head should be
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns that head upon the bed where my old head should be

    Ah, you're drunk,
    you're drunk you silly old fool,
    still you can not see
    That's a baby boy that me mother sent to me
    Well, it's many a day I've travelled a hundred miles or more
    But a baby boy with his whiskers on sure I never saw before

    And as I went home on Saturday night as drunk as drunk could be
    I saw....
    Well, I called me wife and I said to her: Will you kindly tell to me
    Who owns ....where ....
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    God bless the Irish folk song musicians who keep this ancient art alive.
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    There just isn't anything else quite like Irish folk songs. There are a lot of them that aren't prurient, you know.

    I have a CD somewhere of an Australian group of Irish musicians who sing a song about importing various geographical and cultural aspects of Ireland to Australia. Can't find it, though.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #741 on: July 15, 2017, 08:56:39 PM »
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  • Oh, its humor time!
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    It's pretty funny (but too sorry to laugh) how they manage to dream up an entire creature from one bone fragment. 
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    Reminds me of how flat-earthers imagine a silly nonsense system with no data to base it on. And meanwhile they refuse to make any observations like the appearance of the moon from different parts of the earth at the same time of day, or the angle between the sun and quarter moon. Just like those academy award-winning dreamers in the cartoon!! HAHAHA
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #742 on: July 15, 2017, 08:59:51 PM »
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  • Neil,

    What are you on? Bourbon or Scotch?
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    More evidence to convict the accused:  calumny, derision, disrespect, and no evidence.
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    And no willingness to engage in any intelligent discussion.
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    Epithets, slander and falsehood is all you can come up with? Speaks volumes, dude.
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    Answer me this: what positive contribution to this discussion have you contributed? Anything?
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #743 on: July 15, 2017, 09:17:50 PM »
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  • .
    Tomorrow, Sunday, June 16th, 2017, the moon will reach its last quarter at 12:28 pm in the Pacific Time Zone, but the moon sets at 12:04 pm. 
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    So this is an excellent opportunity to check the angle between the sun and moon, provided it's a clear western sky, and you don't wait too long, when the moon will go down below the horizon. 
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    If you check the angle at 9, 10, 11 and 12, you'll see if it changes much during those hours. 
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    Remember that both the moon and the sun traverse the sky, but at different rates. The sun moves faster. And you can look up the number of minutes of a degree it changes every minute, on an average. The rate is not absolutely constant since the rates of the sun and of the moon are not absolutely consistent, but they are generally the same from day to day, and year to year, within a limited range.
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    But flat-earthers do not enjoy specific measurements and objective data. They don't like to think about where anyone can expect to find the sun or moon in the sky at a given time and date, for example. They say things like this has nothing to do with Scripture, cannot be found in the Bible, and it smacks of devil worship.
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    There is a name for people who ascribe any kind of real objective knowledge to devil worship.
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    The astronomers who guided the Three Kings, Melchior, Caspar and Balthazar to Bethlehem must have been practitioners of evil, no?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #744 on: July 21, 2017, 10:21:00 PM »
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  • .
    No surprise, again. Flat-earthers are not interested, apparently, in making observations of astronomical fact.
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    So I guess they only want to think about their subjective fantasy. Prove me wrong by making observations.
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    Anyone interested in seeing the total Solar Eclipse of August 21st should be prepared to protect your eyes from blindness by getting a cheap pair of eclipse goggles:

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    http://www.eclipse2017.org/glasses_order.htm
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    Offline Croix de Fer

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #745 on: July 24, 2017, 02:02:55 AM »
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  • More evidence of the earth's curvature.



    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #746 on: July 26, 2017, 12:00:32 AM »
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  • Here's a video the flat-earthers forgot to watch:

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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #747 on: July 26, 2017, 11:42:11 PM »
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  • The video above barely scratches the surface.
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    They completely miss mentioning how the moon appears the same in the sky when viewed from the far northern hemisphere to the far southern hemisphere. In the USA today, the moon appears in the early evening sky , low toward the west, as a waxing crescent. It appears that way in the arctic tundra of Canada, all the way south to Tierra del Fuego. It appears low in the western sky with the same portion illuminated by the sun, no matter where on earth you're standing when you see it.
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    This fact would not be what we see if the earth were "flat." And the reason is as follows:  the earth is not "flat." Simple.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #748 on: July 27, 2017, 02:28:51 AM »
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  • Video showing the entire earth from a satellite camera, which flat-earthers say don't exist:



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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #749 on: July 27, 2017, 09:58:22 AM »
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  • Video showing the entire earth from a satellite camera, which flat-earthers say don't exist:



    Obviously a fake video. But then that's what NASA produces. If the pause button on the video is pressed, we can see that the continents are in the wrong places for a "globe" earth.

    Africa is WAY too far north, and Canada is at the North Pole.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29