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Offline Traditional Guy 20

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« on: May 25, 2012, 08:16:27 PM »
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  • In the 1920's there was the era of sex, booze, and jazz and that of the flapper, your ancestor to the modern-day whore.







    And in the 1960's you had women moving away from dresses and towards sweatshirts and blue jeans, along with it being the era of sex, drugs, and rock n' roll with the 'swinger girls.'





    A 1960's wedding 'dress':  :shocked:


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    « Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 08:23:30 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 02:50:06 PM »
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  • Yeah, the sexual revolution of the 1920s.  Who knew we had more than one of them!   :laugh1:


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    « Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 02:59:44 PM »
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  • Well remember that the 1950's was also hardly a Victorian era on sexual morality. :laugh1:

    I say this because unfortunately I see a lot of traditional Catholics brag about how 'great' the 1950's was and how it was a utopia. :rolleyes:

    Don't be one of those people. :wink:

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    « Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 03:09:11 PM »
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  • My favorite movie from that time period (1920s) is "Beyond the rocks," with rudolph valentino and gloria swanson.  It appears to me to basically be an assault on arranged marriage (i'm guessing that was already rare), but ends up being an assault on marriage in general.  Fundamentally changing marriage from a sacrament, into a civil contract, with lots of loopholes.  In essence, not much more profound than "going steady."  

    Interesting the change in priorities (aka values) that occurs in gloria swanson.  She goes from putting her family first, to putting her own selfish desires first.

    Outrageously, the men all go along with her, even if it means betrayal or self-sacrifice, to the point of death.  

    In this sense, it seems as if her own selfish desires, become the "new compass" for the culture.  

    That's a revolution!  

    Of course, I'd think that this is just a vehicle for revolution, to use on the masses.  The "real" revolution is occurring in the economy and is driven by greed.  But, in america, if you say that, it makes you michael moore!   :jester:  But that's just the two party scam.  They make you choose between jobs or murdering babies, but in the end, neither side delivers!   :fryingpan:



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    « Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 03:14:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marcelino
    My favorite movie from that time period (1920s) is "Beyond the rocks," with rudolph valentino and gloria swanson.  It appears to me to basically be an assault on arranged marriage (i'm guessing that was already rare), but ends up being an assault on marriage in general.  Fundamentally changing marriage from a sacrament, into a civil contract, with lots of loopholes.  In essence, not much more profound than "going steady."  

    Interesting the change in priorities (aka values) that occurs in gloria swanson.  She goes from putting her family first, to putting her own selfish desires first.


    Hey don't forget Sunset Boulevard! :laugh1: Gloria Swanson's obviously older and she falls in love with a 20-something year old William Holden character and because he tries to leave her she shoots him (on the one hand I can understand since he was taking advantage of her hospitality; on the other hand she has a NOT-healthy obsession with Holden's character).

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    « Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 03:14:53 PM »
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  • I used to believe that about the 40's and 50's because of the way I thought people dressed and acted back then.  Some of it was because of t.v. shows and movies and some was because of my grandparents who came of age back then and seemed to me to be the epitome of wholesome, clean living and decency.  

    However, as my family and I became serious observers of classic films (1930's to early 1960's) I learned about the pre Code movies of the 20's and 30's.  I also saw plenty of films during that so-called Golden Age, that were full of innuendo, scantily clad women and suggestive dialogue.  

    What I've learned is that plenty of people were "running around" in those days...and many of them got married because they "had to."  How many were repentant?  How many were faithful, practicing Christians afterward?  How many managed to convey a certain hypocrisy to their children..."what will the neighbors think?"  Where everything looks good on the surface, but is rotten inside.

    I think the hippie kids from the 60's were responding somewhat legitmately to the lies of their parents...now how they chose to "live their truth" was the wrong way, the wrong answer, obviously...but they were responding to the starched facade of perfect living of the 50's.

    My conclusion is that unfortunately, there was no perfect time to live .. and that Christians have always had to fight the good fight, to swim against the tide of immorality and licentious living.

    In my opinion, fwiw.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 03:19:15 PM »
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    My favorite movie from that time period (1920s) is "Beyond the rocks," with rudolph valentino and gloria swanson.



    Yeah that was a strange movie. Why in the world would a husband kill himself (in the end) so that his ex-wife and her lover could be together? (Yeah like that would ever happen... :rolleyes:)


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    « Reply #8 on: May 29, 2012, 03:20:42 PM »
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    I used to believe that about the 40's and 50's because of the way I thought people dressed and acted back then.  Some of it was because of t.v. shows and movies and some was because of my grandparents who came of age back then and seemed to me to be the epitome of wholesome, clean living and decency.  

    However, as my family and I became serious observers of classic films (1930's to early 1960's) I learned about the pre Code movies of the 20's and 30's.  I also saw plenty of films during that so-called Golden Age, that were full of innuendo, scantily clad women and suggestive dialogue.  

    What I've learned is that plenty of people were "running around" in those days...and many of them got married because they "had to."  How many were repentant?  How many were faithful, practicing Christians afterward?  How many managed to convey a certain hypocrisy to their children..."what will the neighbors think?"  Where everything looks good on the surface, but is rotten inside.

    I think the hippie kids from the 60's were responding somewhat legitmately to the lies of their parents...now how they chose to "live their truth" was the wrong way, the wrong answer, obviously...but they were responding to the starched facade of perfect living of the 50's.

    My conclusion is that unfortunately, there was no perfect time to live .. and that Christians have always had to fight the good fight, to swim against the tide of immorality and licentious living.

    In my opinion, fwiw.


    You know you make a good point. I think actually that "Christians" got way too comfortable in those days living in the "post-war prosperity" to care about morals.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 29, 2012, 03:22:32 PM »
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  • I wonder if the person who thumbed it down would explain himself. :wink:

    The 1940's were bad in my opinion as well since World War II happened.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 29, 2012, 03:46:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
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    My favorite movie from that time period (1920s) is "Beyond the rocks," with rudolph valentino and gloria swanson.



    Yeah that was a strange movie. Why in the world would a husband kill himself (in the end) so that his ex-wife and her lover could be together? (Yeah like that would ever happen... :rolleyes:)


    It's that self-sacrifice.  Think about it, we are supposed to have that kind of devotion to the desires of Christ.  Well, hollywood found a substitute for us, in the desires of a beautiful young girl.  

    In "mata hari" (early 30s) it's men's slavish obedience to a beautiful young woman, betraying the men who depend on them for their very lives and betraying their own god (extremely clear scene of that in mata hari).  The young officer blows out the candle in his room, because mata hari demands it, before she'll "surrender" to him, but the candle is supposed to be kept perpetually burning for The Blessed Virgin Mary.  In other words, it's a literary symbol of his burning passion in his heart for God and he extinguishes it, in order to indulge his burning and illicit passion for a beautiful girl.  But, the point should not be lost, that she puts him up to it.  She intentionally makes him choose between his god and her.  She wins!  

    There's different ways of looking at that scene.  Surely it's a tale about the gentle mastery of God and the cruel mastery of sin.  But how can it not have something to do with the modern phrase, "women's empowerment!"  She has what he wants and he will sacrifice anything, including his eternal soul, to get it!  Oh wow, that's power!  

    Ultimately, that kind of power destroys you.  Look at elizabeth taylor.  What a wreck!  But still, the temptation is compelling.  

    So women become tyrants and men become slaves.  It's matriarchy!  And it is extremely perverse!  

    If we had a national church, it wouldn't be devoted to Christ and virtue, it would be devoted to some sort of voluptuous young goddess and our passions.  




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    « Reply #11 on: June 04, 2012, 03:25:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: MrsZ
    My conclusion is that unfortunately, there was no perfect time to live .. and that Christians have always had to fight the good fight, to swim against the tide of immorality and licentious living.

    In my opinion, fwiw.


    MrsZ, while it's true every time has its own troubles, there are definitely big variations between various times and places.  We aren't Quietists, we believe in the Social Reign of Christ the King.  My mother grew up in a time and place, in the 1950s, very far removed from today's society.  And it shows over and over again.

    Sometimes I'm simply aghast at the contrast.

     

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