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Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2021, 11:38:15 AM »
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  • https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58063647
    Clown world.
    They fine people this much because they didn't get a highly dangerous vaccine for the common cold.
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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2021, 12:20:02 PM »
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  • A different report said the couple (2) were both fined for entry and exit, hence 4 x C$19,720 ($16,000, £11,500).

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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2021, 12:21:52 PM »
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  • https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58063647
    This is the 'flu, which for some (I had a bad strain some years back) is terrible, but for nearly everyone else, it means the sniffles, a cold, loss of smell. There are some over-delicate people on Twitter raging prospective forgers. It is already happening that people without a vax are finding hard to work or get food in places. Although it might be controversial to say, forgery in aid of weakening this corrupt System and putting food on the table is not the worst of things. In some places the doctor can for a consideration spray the vax into a sink and just issue the record. The vax has been injected, just not into the person, but the plumbing system.

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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2021, 12:54:29 PM »
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  • This is the 'flu, which for some (I had a bad strain some years back) is terrible, but for nearly everyone else, it means the sniffles, a cold, loss of smell. There are some over-delicate people on Twitter raging prospective forgers. It is already happening that people without a vax are finding hard to work or get food in places. Although it might be controversial to say, forgery in aid of weakening this corrupt System and putting food on the table is not the worst of things. In some places the doctor can for a consideration spray the vax into a sink and just issue the record. The vax has been injected, just not into the person, but the plumbing system.
    Lol, all the rats and crocodiles in the sewer get their RNA rewritten


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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2021, 04:18:01 PM »
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  • Clown world.
    They fine people this much because they didn't get a highly dangerous vaccine for the common cold.
    No, I think they were fined for falsifying docuмents, that is, fraud.
    I am surprised how little regard many Roman Rite trads give to fraud. False tax returns, lies at border crossings, false statements on building permits (often not applying for permits when required). boasting about false reports on the job, and so on.

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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #6 on: August 04, 2021, 06:43:25 PM »
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  • No, I think they were fined for falsifying docuмents, that is, fraud.
    I am surprised how little regard many Roman Rite trads give to fraud. False tax returns, lies at border crossings, false statements on building permits (often not applying for permits when required). boasting about false reports on the job, and so on.

    Well, the Vatican issued falsified baptismal certificates to Jєωs.  I don't have any issue whatsoever with presenting a falsified docuмent when they're dead set on poisoning people and persecuting them if they don't accept the poison.  False tax returns are wrong, etc. ... but this is unjust and harmful, and there's no issue with presenting a fake docuмent.  This isn't anywhere near the same category as those other scenarios.  There's no inherent lie in the docuмent.  It's a physical mental reservation.  I hand them the card.  It is what it is, a card that I myself filled out.  If I don't aver that this was signed by an actual medical professional, then it's no lie ... no different than when children play with fake money.  Now, if I were using it to defraud someone of something, i.e. tried to pass counterfeit money off as real to gain unjust possession of merchandise, that's a sin.  But to present it to someone who has no right to force me to take this jab or to persecute me if I do not ... there's zero issue with that.

    This is classic mental reservation in physical form, and there's no "fraud" when you're not "defrauding" anyone of something they have a right to.  There are even laws on the books in this nation that clearly state that they do not have any right to our medical information, that it's private ... and they are in violation of those laws by demanding the jab cards and then persecuting those who do not produce them.

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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #7 on: August 04, 2021, 07:04:05 PM »
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  • No, I think they were fined for falsifying docuмents, that is, fraud.
    I am surprised how little regard many Roman Rite trads give to fraud. False tax returns, lies at border crossings, false statements on building permits (often not applying for permits when required). boasting about false reports on the job, and so on.
    Not reporting all your income for taxation purposes is not a sin. Read any manual of moral theology and you'll see that.
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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #8 on: August 04, 2021, 07:24:29 PM »
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  • There are even laws on the books in this nation
    The story is about Canadian citizens entering Canada. They could have entered as vaccinated or not vaccinated, with a somewhat different process. These people chose to represent themselves falsely, and they got caught and fined for it. 
    Do you really want to defend their lies?

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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #9 on: August 04, 2021, 09:27:58 PM »
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  • The story is about Canadian citizens entering Canada. They could have entered as vaccinated or not vaccinated, with a somewhat different process. These people chose to represent themselves falsely, and they got caught and fined for it.
    Do you really want to defend their lies?
    These Bolsheviks have no right to our private medical information. Hence this reference from Fr. Francis J. Connell regarding the liceity of providing false information i.e. even lies to such officials who have no right to this information. 

    From American Ecclesiastical Review, Vol. CXXXIX No. 6, December 1958, p. 420
    Answers to Questions
    by Fr. John P. McCormick and Fr. Francis J. Connell C.SS.R.
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    FALSEHOODS BY ONE IN AUTHORITY
    Question: What answer can be given by a man in public office, such as a senator, a governor, etc., to a question centering about some confidential matter, when any reply except a definite falsehood will probably result in at least a partial revelation of the secret? 

    Answer: The problem presented by our questioner in respect to a person in public life can occur also in the case of many others in posts of authority, such as the lawyer, the doctor, an ecclesiastical or religious superior, etc. Such a person often possesses information which he may not divulge. What answer should he give when he is questioned about the matter? Some theologians would answer that the only lawful ways in which the secret can be protected are silence and the use of a mental restriction. By a mental restriction is meant a statement that can be understood in the correct sense, though in the present circuмstances it will probably be understood in some other sense. But it must be admitted that there are occasions when even the most clever mental restriction will be inadequate to prevent the revelation of the secret. The view of another school of theologians offers assistance in a case of this kind. They hold that when a person possesses a very important secret and some one is trying unjustly to discover it, this person is permitted to tell even a direct falsehood as a means of protection. In such an event, they say, the falsehood is not to be classified as a lie, since the essential malice of a lie is the harm it does to society, and in the particular circuмstances described, society is aided rather than harmed by a falsehood. I believe that the opinion of these latter theologians is suffidently probable to be used in practice. Of course, only a very prudent and restricted use of this opinion is permissible. (Cf. Dorszynski, J.A., Catholic Teaching about the Morality of Falsehood, Catholic University of America Press, 1949.)

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    Re: 16,000$ (USD) Fine For Fake Vaccine Record
    « Reply #10 on: August 04, 2021, 10:36:19 PM »
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  • Please keep us posted about how to get counterfeit vax docs in the U.S. I’ll want them when the vax becomes mandatory. 
    -I identify as masked and vaxxed. 
    -Slavish fear is the deadliest virus. 
    -“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear: but of power, and of love, and of sobriety.” (2 Tim. 1:7)