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12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
« on: June 20, 2017, 08:08:10 AM »
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  • 12-year-old girl comes out to her Mormon congregation
    Updated 3:22 AM ET, Tue June 20, 2017

    Savannah, 12, made a decision this January; she was going to come out as lesbian at her Mormon Church. Nothing was going to stop her.
    She's a normal almost-teenage girl in Utah: She loves to draw and make art. When she grows up, she wants to be a Disney animator. Her favorite bands are Imagine Dragons and Fall Out Boy.
    On June 22, 2016, one day after her birthday, Savannah came out to her parents as lesbian.
    Mom had suspicions and knew that day might come.
    "I looked at her and said, 'OK, I love you. And I'll support you no matter what you do,'" said Heather, her mother.
    The family felt strongly that they didn't have the right to prevent Savannah from telling her story publicly, including sharing it with CNN, but asked that their hometown and last names be withheld to give them a measure of privacy.
    After coming out to her parents, Savannah began the process of coming out to her friends and extended family.



    Six months later, she felt a calling.
    "I had a feeling like I should come out to the church," Savannah said shyly. "I came out to all of my family and I just wanted to do something more."
    Both her parents were taken aback by their daughter's desire to come out in front of her church.
    "I was mostly nervous for her and where this would take her as a 12-year-old girl," said Josh, her father. Josh and Savannah are still members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the official name of the church.
    Heather left the church a year and a half ago after official church policy docuмents were leaked online in 2015.
    Those docuмents, confirmed by the church to CNN to be authentic, apostatize same-sex couples who marry and bar any of their children from blessings or baptism until they themselves reach legal age. They remain church policy.



    Official church policy welcomes members of the Mormon faith that have same-sex attractions. They say it's possible to be "Mormon and gαy."
    Church teaching, however, mandates that members with same-sex attractions cannot act on those feelings. They must remain celibate and they cannot get married to members of the same sex.
    "It resonated in my heart that it felt wrong," said Heather, speaking about those policies. Her "inklings" about Savannah's sɛҳuąƖity kept running through her mind.
    The family gathered, walking Savannah through the good and the bad that could come from her speech. They walked through what the Mormon Church teaches about same-sex attraction.
    "We let her make that decision, not us," Josh said pointedly. "I had nothing to do with ... coercing her or anything."
    Heather remembers Savannah's rationale. "I want to be a voice for those that might be positive," she recalls Savannah saying. "I want them to know that I'm an ally. That they're safe with me. I want them to know that it's OK to be Mormon and be gαy."




    She also wanted to garner more respect for gαys in her church, something she feels is lacking.
    "We came to the conclusion it wasn't our place; we couldn't silence her," said Heather. "It would be giving her a bigger message that she wasn't allowed to speak or there was something wrong with her."
    So, Savannah went to work writing. Draft after draft, she began crafting her message.
    She decided on giving testimony on Fast Sunday, which is traditionally when Mormons hold testimony meetings.
    "It's sort of what you believe in," Savannah says of testimony. "It's your spiritual talk."
    An emailed statement to CNN from the local bishop, Judd Law, said, "It is common for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to stand before a congregation of families and share feelings and beliefs -- a testimony -- during a worship service."
    The day had arrived. Savannah put on a tie and battled her anxiety, making her way to the rostrum.



    Friends of her's began quietly recording videos as a "keepsake," which they later gave to the family. The family then provided that unedited, raw video to CNN.
    Edited versions of the video have since been published on social media; Savannah first told her story on an LGBT Mormon podcast, "I Like to Look for Rainbows."

    She began speaking. "Hi, my name is Savannah and I want to share my testimony with you."
    Her voice didn't betray her nerves. Savannah read slowly, focused on getting her testimony out. She was scared to see people's faces and their reaction to her testimony so she did not look up once to see their reactions.
    Then Savannah said it; she came out as gαy in front of her congregation.
    "God loves me just this way, because he loves all his creations," she said in the speech. "I do believe he made me this way on purpose."
    She didn't stop with theology. Savannah wanted her congregation to know about her hopes and dreams, too.
    For Savannah, even at 12, it's simple. She wants to love herself and not feel shame for being who she is.
    "I hope to find a partner and have a great job. I hope to get married and have a family," she said. "I know these dreams and wishes are good and right. I know I can have all of these things as a lesbian and be happy."
    Shortly after that, the mic suddenly cut out. It's unclear what exactly happened, but one of the church leaders leaned over and began speaking to Savannah.
    "I thought it was broken at first. So, I turned around to talk to him," she said. "And then he told me to sit down."
    Despite repeated requests to church headquarters and Law, the bishop, they did not explain why Savannah's mic ceased to work.
    On a Mormon Church website titled "Mormon and gαy," it offers the following advice on Mormons who want to come out: "If you decide to share your experiences of feeling same-sex attraction or to openly identify as gαy, you should be supported and treated with kindness and respect, both at home and in church."
    In the video, Savannah returns to her seat as murmured chatter continues around her.

    "I was telling her that she was perfect and beautiful," says Heather.
    A church leader stood up and made a small speech as Savannah was sitting down, in part saying, "I also want to recognize that we are all children of God. And that we are loved by our heavenly Father. And I have no doubt that heavenly Father has made us all unique in different ways. For that, I am grateful."
    In the emailed statement to CNN, Law took issue with the recorded video, saying it was unauthorized.
    Additionally, he said that a "group of visitors jubilantly left the service. ... Everyone is welcome and understands the standards of decorum and behavior if they decide to participate. It is unfortunate that this group of adults chose to violate them."
    Law said the video was being exploited for "political purposes."
    But Savannah's parents don't see it that way. They say they didn't witness anyone being disruptive. They also say there was no "group" present.
    "Savannah invited a few close friends as allies," Heather tells CNN, responding to the statement from the local bishop. "There was no group."
    The family did leave shortly after. Heather says Savannah was distraught and crying.
    Savannah says she was feeling a mixture of emotions. She was confused because she didn't know what was going on, she was happy because she finally came out at church and "felt accepted."
    But she was sad because she couldn't finish her speech.
    Her parents, though, are proud. Josh responds, "absolutely," when asked.
    "She has more courage than I've ever seen in anybody," Heather says. "To be able to share something so personal with everybody. That made my heart soar as a parent."
    "This incident has created some tender emotions, first and foremost for a brave young girl," said Law in his emailed statement to CNN. "As a congregation, we continue to reach out, and do all that we can to make sure she knows that we love her and her family."

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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2017, 08:17:42 AM »
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  • How the hell can a girl figure out she's lesbian? She's supposed to be interested in dolls and various girl activities, not men (or women).

    I think this sheds a lot of light on the plague of sodomy that is descending upon our country.

    First of all, America is majority PAGAN. Not Catholic, not even "Christian". All the so-called mainstream protestants aren't even Christians or protestants. If they don't have any beliefs that dictate what they must do in day-to-day life, then they are just going along with the pagan culture like everyone else.

    Note that in Scripture, when it talks about Sodom, it certainly sounds like everyone (or at least the majority) practiced sodomy. Not 1%, or even 10%. The plague had spread to virtually everyone. Remember that God would have spared Sodom if just TEN JUST MEN were found in the city. Sodom was destroyed by fire and brimstone, so apparently 10 just men couldn't be found.

    I believe that is where we are headed today. Sodomites are becoming more and more numerous. Even in conservative places like Texas. Just go to a Wal-mart!

    Sodomites are not born, they are made. Or, more precisely, they are corrupted. Sodomy is like a cancer. It starts out small, in one area, and soon spreads to the whole body until it is destroyed.

    Children today are being formed in a hyper-sɛҳuąƖized culture. When you introduce the idea of sex to little kids (i.e., before they are ready), they might not be interested, you know? And when the dominant culture pushes a degraded form of femininity/masculinity on the children, why should we be surprised if some of them reject it? Maybe the young lady wasn't interested in pedicures, shaving her legs, dating boys (at 10), make-up, high-heeled shoes, shopping at malls, showing off huge sections of her body in public, and so forth.

    But meanwhile, they are being corrupted from a young age to think that any kind of pleasure is OK. We all know that the PAGANS have no problem with seeking pleasure for its own sake, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Well, masturbation fits that description just fine ("Pleasure for its own sake, and no one gets hurt.") But it's a short jump from masturbation to seeking pleasure in "the wrong vessel": women with women, or men with men. Or men with beasts. Or men with children. Or men with the dead. You get the idea.

    Just like birth control leads to abortion, masturbation leads to sodomy.
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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #2 on: June 20, 2017, 09:11:02 AM »
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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #3 on: June 20, 2017, 10:30:34 AM »
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  • *Sigh* This was the last thing I needed to read today... you would certainly be surprised at how young an age girls become "sɛҳuąƖly aware". There is one who I am unfortunate to know more about then is agreeable, who at 11 began to find boys atractive, at 12 decided she was not Catholic (or anything else for that matter), thinks ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is OK and  "LOVES THE HOMOS!!!", is most likely a "bi-sɛҳuąƖ" and consumes loads of all sorts of filthy material...

    I think a big part of the problem is that people have TVs and give their little children internet access. Even some of my cousins' toddlers have smart phones! Once a child wanders down the wrong path -even just out of curiosity- that child can be sucked down as if by a maelstrom! God be praised if they can pull themselves out of the quick-sand (or even want to for that matter), it's not easy!

    DO NOT GIVE CHILDREN ACCESS TO THE INTERNET! DO NOT KEEP A TELEVISION IN YOUR HOUSE!

    Pray and sacrifice for your children, that they not degenerate to such a state where there is no dignity. Pray that they learn to love the faith and pray for perseverance for the whole family. Get the family together and say at least one rosary a day, you will be amazed at what it can do, even if you feel it was not said well!  Who knows, without Gods Grace  we may one day find ourselves saying to ourselves: "Well, maybe it isn't quite as bad as I thought?"

    Even if you already have a child who is "one of them," you shall maybe never know about it or at least shall not find out for a very long time. Children tend to talk about their issues with friends and acquaintances before going to the parents, if they ever talk to the parents that is... It seems there is no shortage of Trads with "troubled" children and apparently don't know it, and that is scary! 

    Another thing to note: This little girl seems to love Disney... Remember what I said about Ariana Grande et al. in another thread? I always had the impression that Mormons were a sort of puritan (albeit extreme), so it is a touch surprising that she can consume such material.

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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #4 on: June 20, 2017, 10:44:50 AM »
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  • I added to my post:

    Note that in Scripture, when it talks about Sodom, it certainly sounds like everyone (or at least the majority) practiced sodomy. Not 1%, or even 10%. The plague had spread to virtually everyone. Remember that God would have spared Sodom if just TEN JUST MEN were found in the city. Sodom was destroyed by fire and brimstone, so apparently 10 just men couldn't be found.

    I believe that is where we are headed today. Sodomites are becoming more and more numerous. Even in conservative places like Texas. Just go to a Wal-mart!

    Sodomites are not born, they are made. Or, more precisely, they are corrupted. Sodomy is like a cancer. It starts out small, in one area, and soon spreads to the whole body until it is destroyed.
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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #5 on: June 20, 2017, 10:50:10 AM »
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  • Savannah, 12, made a decision this January; she was going to come out as lesbian at her Mormon Church. Nothing was going to stop her.
    She's a normal almost-teenage girl in Utah: She loves to draw and make art. When she grows up, she wants to be a Disney animator. Her favorite bands are Imagine Dragons and Fall Out Boy.
    On June 22, 2016, one day after her birthday, Savannah came out to her parents as lesbian.
    Mom had suspicions and knew that day might come.
    "I looked at her and said, 'OK, I love you. And I'll support you no matter what you do,'" said Heather, her mother.
    "I looked at her and said, 'OK, I love you. And I'll support you no matter what you do,'" said Heather, her mother. She forgot to add, "Even though it means we'll both end up in hell!"

    Stupid parents.

    No one should wonder what the kids have been learning in school.
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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #6 on: June 20, 2017, 11:05:48 AM »
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  • "I looked at her and said, 'OK, I love you. And I'll support you no matter what you do,'" said Heather, her mother. She forgot to add, "Even though it means we'll both end up in hell!"

    Stupid parents.

    No one should wonder what the kids have been learning in school.

    The child should've been beaten with a belt until she drew blood for even insisting. She'll change and become straight. It's a phase for these kids.
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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #7 on: June 20, 2017, 06:01:13 PM »
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  • The child should've been beaten with a belt until she drew blood for even insisting. She'll change and become straight. It's a phase for these kids.
    No, it is the parents who should be beaten.  The child would never have come up with such nonsense had she had parents who loved her.  They have trained her well in the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ dogmas.


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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #8 on: June 22, 2017, 07:24:02 AM »
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  • This is child abuse. There have been Mormon cult extreme groups which included sex abuse of children.    Most likely this family is a plant and targeted this church.   Like Sandra Fluke.  
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    Re: 12 year old girl comes out as lesbian at Mormon church
    « Reply #9 on: June 22, 2017, 08:08:57 AM »
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  • This is child abuse. There have been Mormon cult extreme groups which included sex abuse of children.    Most likely this family is a plant and targeted this church.   Like Sandra Fluke.  
    It's something else, I don't think it's that. Odd that this is coming from the Mormons of all religions... Remember, this is the group that funneled millions in 2008 for California's Proposition 8 which made ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage" illegal.
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