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"Oh how I miss the good old days of Hollywood..."
« on: May 20, 2012, 08:36:32 AM »
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  • How many of us have heard this very strange statement, especially by the older folks, that make it seem that Hollywood from 1920-1960 was somehow "good"? Well anyone who truly believes that Hollywood was promoting "good" values during this period should "follow the money." Hollywood was as Jewish back then as it is today and was just as propagandist, pro-Communist, leftist, etc. as it is today. Case in point: Pre-Code Hollywood. This era was known for its movies that supported abortion, homosexuality, praise for gangsters, racial mixture, feminism, illegal drug use, prostitution, rape, violence, etc. Even after the Code you can definitely see the propaganda under the surface during these 40's and 50's movies.

    Hollywood has ALWAYS been Jewish. End of story.

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    « Reply #1 on: May 20, 2012, 10:00:44 AM »
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  • Since some decades it's indeed as you say.
    But before that time there were a few exceptions. For example... :



    ELEISON COMMENTS
    Number CCXLIV (244)
    17 March 2012

    AMERICAN SHAKESPEARE?

    A number of people will find it absurd to compare anybody involved in modern cinema with one of the greatest poets and dramatists of all time, but St. Patrick’s Day may be the right moment to commemorate a great son of Ireland, the American film-director John Ford (1895-1973), by pointing out a few similarities between his career and that of William Shakespeare (1564-1616). A John Ford may be as close as our poor modern age can get to producing a Shakespeare – let’s see:–

    To begin with, both men were highly successful popular entertainers. Shakespeare set out to write not English Literature but scripts for the Globe Theatre company, always in need of new plays to put on stage. Between 1592 and his exile from the London stage less than 20 years later, he wrote some 35 plays of all kinds: history plays, comedies, tragedies, romances. They were all popular, because Shakespeare was so involved in the Globe Theatre and so close to its audience. As for John Ford, to satisfy the insatiable demand of the American film-going public for new films, between 1917 and 1970 he directed, with a company of actors appearing repeatedly, over 140 films, which mix, like Shakespeare, comic and serious, high life and low life. Many of these films were great box-office hits, because Ford like Shakespeare knew his public.

    Both men were highly successful because they were story-tellers, stories being the heart of popular entertainment. Both men grip their audiences and hold them in suspense, what happens next? And as story-tellers can have considerable influence, so both men helped to mould their nations’ character. By his history plays acting as propaganda for the recently established Tudor dynasty, Shakespeare has permanently influenced Englishmen’s view of themselves coming out of the Middle Ages. Ford likewise had a keen sense of American history (e.g. The Last Hurrah), and by creating the myth of the “Western” that fabricated America’s “Wild West”, he so defined the American national character as to have made people associate Americans with cowboys ever since.

    Both men served a serious apprenticeship to their craft, Shakespeare on the boards of the Globe Theatre, Ford by spending several years as a cameraman before graduating to the direction of films. Shakespeare as a poet is an incomparable wordsmith, yet Ford’s poetry might be his camera work. Film directors without number have watched his films to learn how to use the camera because Ford had an eye for the detailed composition of his pictures in movement, or “movies”. When asked to name the film directors who most appealed to him, another famous film director, Orson Wells, replied, “I like the old masters, by which I mean John Ford, John Ford and John Ford”. Yet another film-maker compared Ford’s films for the “simplicity and strength” of their style to middle-period Beethoven!

    Finally both men were Catholics. The deepest drama of Shakespeare’s plays arises surely from his Catholic sense, necessarily disguised, of the tragedy of Merrie England’s irreversible slide into apostasy. John Ford was the tenth of eleven children of two immigrants to the United States, both born in Catholic Ireland. No doubt the Faith of his ancestors enabled him to commemorate the relative innocence and decency of yesterday’s America, with its womanly women, and its manly and upright heroes as typified in Ford’s films by John Wayne. A king of modern cinema may never make it to the Pantheon of all-time greats alongside a Shakespeare, but John Ford was that modern king.

    Thank you, Ireland, and America. Happy St. Patrick’s Day to both of you!

    Kyrie eleison.


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    "Oh how I miss the good old days of Hollywood..."
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2012, 07:48:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    How many of us have heard this very strange statement, especially by the older folks, that make it seem that Hollywood from 1920-1960 was somehow "good"? Well anyone who truly believes that Hollywood was promoting "good" values during this period should "follow the money." Hollywood was as Jewish back then as it is today and was just as propagandist, pro-Communist, leftist, etc. as it is today. Case in point: Pre-Code Hollywood. This era was known for its movies that supported abortion, homosexuality, praise for gangsters, racial mixture, feminism, illegal drug use, prostitution, rape, violence, etc. Even after the Code you can definitely see the propaganda under the surface during these 40's and 50's movies.

    Hollywood has ALWAYS been Jewish. End of story.


    There are some movies that are really clear about that.  You'd mentioned "Cimmarron" was and yeah, they do pretty much espouse the entire "liberal" program in that movie.  "Beyond The Horizon" is extremely clear, in its defense of communism.  And then there's movies like "Mata Hari," which begin with a sultry dance to a demonic idol, being used to seduce the entire officer corp, during world war one.  

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    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2012, 10:24:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    How many of us have heard this very strange statement, especially by the older folks, that make it seem that Hollywood from 1920-1960 was somehow "good"? Well anyone who truly believes that Hollywood was promoting "good" values during this period should "follow the money." Hollywood was as Jewish back then as it is today and was just as propagandist, pro-Communist, leftist, etc. as it is today. Case in point: Pre-Code Hollywood. This era was known for its movies that supported abortion, homosexuality, praise for gangsters, racial mixture, feminism, illegal drug use, prostitution, rape, violence, etc. Even after the Code you can definitely see the propaganda under the surface during these 40's and 50's movies.

    Hollywood has ALWAYS been Jewish. End of story.


    My husband and I usually attend a monthly fundraiser called "Golden Oldies for Golden Oldies" i.e. old movies for old codgers like us. You get a lunch for $10 and stay to watch a movie from a reel. The movies are sometimes silent, sometimes B&W. What I like about them is that the females look pretty and the men act like men. The musical score is pleasing, the stories are romantic etc. etc.

    We usually analysise them together afterwards. They were an effective means of manipulating public perceptions and introducing new ways which have not been for our betterment.  Though a young person today would see these movies as naive, they certainly pushed the social boundaries and helped to break healthy taboos.

    A very interesting topic! Thank you, Trad Guy

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    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2012, 10:37:02 PM »
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    My husband and I usually attend a monthly fundraiser called "Golden Oldies for Golden Oldies" i.e. old movies for old codgers like us. You get a lunch for $10 and stay to watch a movie from a reel. The movies are sometimes silent, sometimes B&W. What I like about them is that the females look pretty and the men act like men. The musical score is pleasing, the stories are romantic etc. etc.

    We usually analysise them together afterwards. They were an effective means of manipulating public perceptions and introducing new ways which have not been for our betterment.  Though a young person today would see these movies as naive, they certainly pushed the social boundaries and helped to break healthy taboos.

    A very interesting topic! Thank you, Trad Guy


    Hey no problem ma'am.

    I don't mean to put down old movies because I like watching a lot of old movies myself but come on, the decadent Hollywood we have today did not just come out of nowhere.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2012, 11:12:44 PM »
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    We usually analysise them together afterwards. They were an effective means of manipulating public perceptions and introducing new ways which have not been for our betterment.  Though a young person today would see these movies as naive, they certainly pushed the social boundaries and helped to break healthy taboos.

    A very interesting topic! Thank you, Trad Guy


    Hey no problem ma'am.

    I don't mean to put down old movies because I like watching a lot of old movies myself but come on, the decadent Hollywood we have today did not just come out of nowhere.


    Was there something I said that made you take up the offensive. Or made you think that I think that the Hollywood of today came out of nowhere?

    Please call me Nadir. In my culture ma'am is jarring.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2012, 01:39:12 AM »
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    Was there something I said that made you take up the offensive. Or made you think that I think that the Hollywood of today came out of nowhere?

    Please call me Nadir. In my culture ma'am is jarring.


    Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot. I was just saying that in general, not directing it at you.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 22, 2012, 02:51:26 PM »
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    How many of us have heard this very strange statement, especially by the older folks, that make it seem that Hollywood from 1920-1960 was somehow "good"? Well anyone who truly believes that Hollywood was promoting "good" values during this period should "follow the money." Hollywood was as Jewish back then as it is today and was just as propagandist, pro-Communist, leftist, etc. as it is today. Case in point: Pre-Code Hollywood. This era was known for its movies that supported abortion, homosexuality, praise for gangsters, racial mixture, feminism, illegal drug use, prostitution, rape, violence, etc. Even after the Code you can definitely see the propaganda under the surface during these 40's and 50's movies.

    Hollywood has ALWAYS been Jewish. End of story.


    There are some movies that are really clear about that.  You'd mentioned "Cimmarron" was and yeah, they do pretty much espouse the entire "liberal" program in that movie.  "Beyond The Horizon" is extremely clear, in its defense of communism.  And then there's movies like "Mata Hari," which begin with a sultry dance to a demonic idol, being used to seduce the entire officer corp, during world war one.  


    I meant, "The Lost Horizon" 1937 (frank capra ie "it's a wonderful life"), not "Beyond The Horizon."  


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    My husband and I usually attend a monthly fundraiser called "Golden Oldies for Golden Oldies" i.e. old movies for old codgers like us. You get a lunch for $10 and stay to watch a movie from a reel. The movies are sometimes silent, sometimes B&W. What I like about them is that the females look pretty and the men act like men. The musical score is pleasing, the stories are romantic etc. etc.

    We usually analysise them together afterwards. They were an effective means of manipulating public perceptions and introducing new ways which have not been for our betterment.  Though a young person today would see these movies as naive, they certainly pushed the social boundaries and helped to break healthy taboos.

    A very interesting topic! Thank you, Trad Guy


    ...the decadent Hollywood we have today did not just come out of nowhere.


    I agree.  One thing that you haven't mentioned though is the things American and European writers, composers and artists were making before Jews flooded into America, during the immigration of the early 20th Century.


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    « Reply #9 on: May 22, 2012, 05:40:53 PM »
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    I agree.  One thing that you haven't mentioned though is the things American and European writers, composers and artists were making before Jews flooded into America, during the immigration of the early 20th Century.



    Would you expound on that, please, Marcellino

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    « Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 08:32:00 PM »
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  • Ah I see we have an 'innocent-minded' liberal Catholic here with us.

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  • There is nothing "liberal" about noting that the Church has never condemned "racial mixture".

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    There is nothing "liberal" about noting that the Church has never condemned "racial mixture".


    Your quote at the bottom shows where your loyalties are, not that I am anti-Semetic but I will criticize Jews. :smirk:

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    « Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 10:57:21 PM »
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    I agree.  One thing that you haven't mentioned though is the things American and European writers, composers and artists were making before Jews flooded into America, during the immigration of the early 20th Century.



    Would you expound on that, please, Marcellino


    Sure.  As I understand it, Europe had gone through "the enlightenment," basically rejecting divine revelation as a useful means to run the world.  By the romantic era, it was basically a rejection of reason as a useful means for running the world.  And by the modern era, we'd basically given up on everything and were just following our impulses.  But, by the second half of the 19th century, there were writers like Nietzche and Darwin experiencing mass appeal.  America had its share as well, but I'm not as familiar with them, off the top of my head.  However, there's Walt Whitman, who believed christianity wasn't unique.  And, he was a unitarian.  So, a christian who denies the trinity.  What is that?  It kinda sounds like a jew to me.  

    By the turn of the century, people like Einstein and Freud gained acceptance and then became sort of fathers of western thought, which of course was catastrophic, but it's not hard to see why that would happen, given the culture they were entering with their extremely anti-christian "science."  But hardly anybody pairs einstein with the likes of freud and darwin, so it's kind of presumptuous to say that, but I think that's where he belongs and we'd never say anything different, if no one ever presumed to :laugh1:

    Einstein fit right in with the likes of Nietzche and Walt Whitman, because he just said, your philosophies are reflected in the natural order.  So, Whitman thought all paths lead to god and einstein thought all perspectives were equally valid, even though they came to fundamentally different conclusions.  Nietzche thought, ultimately, everything was chaos and einstein showed that there was no real order to things, only perception.  And freud came along and said the same thing, in regards to morality.  Basically, there was no ultimate morality, just the power to impose it on others.  Which, seemed to fit right in with Marx and later Mao and of course, Bush and Obama and all the critics of catholicism, who just point to The Spanish Inquisition and say, see that proves it, the only morality in the world is the one that is imposed by force;  in other words, might makes right and that's all that's real.  So, there is no true morality.  Hence, nihilism, but tempered by existentialism, which is imposed by the mighty on the weak.  At least that's how I think this modern era and the people who run it, seem to think.

     



     

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