Author Topic: "New Homophiles" (Read 1583 times)

LaramieHirsch · « **on:** January 19, 2014, 05:35:24 AM »

I've been following an ongoing discussion about "New Homophiles," which is a bunch of gαy Catholics who think their gαyness is a gift.

I, of course, disagree.

Here is a summary of the latest. I've been able to follow this through the Forward Boldly Facebook page.

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Christine Niles has come forward on Susicpe Domine and clarified that she is NOT supportive of the "New Homophiles:"

http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=4968.msg98740#msg98740

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I utterly reject the New Homophiles and their philosophy (as anyone can see if you have read my comments on my personal facebook page or at Elizabeth Scalia's blog). Same-sex attraction is objectively disordered, and certainly not a "gift."

Furthermore, Austin Ruse admitted that he was unsure of his opinion about the "New Homophiles" in his second article: The New Homophiles: A Closer Look

However, in the recent interview between Austin Ruse and Christine Niles, both conclude that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a disorder of the mind, that that the "New Homophiles" are mistaken.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/forwardboldly/2014/01/19/forward-boldly-interview-with-austin-ruse-on-the-new-homophiles

Austin Ruse suggests that struggling ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, instead of being out, proud, and in your face—that they instead practice discretion, revealing their struggle only to their inner social circle, if necessary. Discretion is the order of the day.

Finally, I found it funny how Austin Ruse refers to this particular part of his second essay:

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They seem to want to obfuscate the meaning of words. Step into the stream of what gαy means or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ means or same-sex attraction means and you find you step with them into a fun house mirror. It seems to me that the truth of things, including the meaning of words, ought to be clear, precise, even simple. Confusion is the sign of something else gong on, perhaps something troubling.

I find this passage quite funny, because I've seen this very thing take place [on Catholic forums]. I believe, in fact, that it is this waffling of words on this very issue that has driven many people away from [Catholic forums].

In any event, Ruse believes that the "New Homophiles" need to be countered in this latest essay: The New Homophiles and Their Critics

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/the-new-homophiles-and-their-critics

I've seen where the idea of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity as a disorder is spun into a giant explanation and seeming defense of being ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. Ruse, in this latest article, describes such behavior in academics:

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["New Homophile" critic, Terry Nelson] accuses the New Homophiles of playing something of a “doctrinal shell game” where “just about every time a couple of them write anything ‘ground-breaking’ they seem to be challenged by readers as to their orthodoxy. Subsequently they appear to backtrack and present voluminous explanations of what they really meant to say … it seems to me the underlying intention is to normalize ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and to declare gαy is good.

I've seen this [on Catholic forums], as well.

But I just keep it simple.

Romans 1:26-27
God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a disorder of the mind.
ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts is a disordered act of a disordered mind.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is not a gift.
gαy sex is not gift giving.

Effeminate behavior is a vice.

And this whole exchange of natural behavior for unnatural behavior is the fashion of our day.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2014, 07:23:38 AM »

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All I would add is that the sin of Sodom is not only a 'disorder' -- a better word is 'perversion' or 'corruption' of the mind, but it is a corruption of the soul, and a corruption of the body as well.

It is a 3-way corruption, and it affects the entire person. This is why someone who is a slave to Sodomy walks differently, talks differently, moves differently, has different attitudes and affections, expresses different opinions, has different tastes in art and colors and fabrics and activities, they enjoy different kinds of entertainment, they laugh at different jokes, they wear different clothes, they read different literature, they live in a different part of town, and when they read the same thing as someone who is not prone to Sodomy, they derive a different meaning from the same words.

This corruption re-makes them into a different type of person. It is all-consuming.

This corruption of body, mind and soul is so overpowering that it takes a supremely diligent effort on the part of the person so corrupted to overcome it, that most are not able to. Of course, with the grace of God, everything is possible, but sometimes they try to overcome their habitual Sodomy without God's grace, and those are the ones who fail to overcome this perversion.

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LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2014, 12:31:58 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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All I would add is that the sin of Sodom is not only a 'disorder' -- a better word is 'perversion' or 'corruption' of the mind, but it is a corruption of the soul, and a corruption of the body as well.

It is a 3-way corruption, and it affects the entire person. This is why someone who is a slave to Sodomy walks differently, talks differently, moves differently, has different attitudes and affections, expresses different opinions, has different tastes in art and colors and fabrics and activities, they enjoy different kinds of entertainment, they laugh at different jokes, they wear different clothes, they read different literature, they live in a different part of town, and when they read the same thing as someone who is not prone to Sodomy, they derive a different meaning from the same words.

This corruption re-makes them into a different type of person. It is all-consuming.

This corruption of body, mind and soul is so overpowering that it takes a supremely diligent effort on the part of the person so corrupted to overcome it, that most are not able to. Of course, with the grace of God, everything is possible, but sometimes they try to overcome their habitual Sodomy without God's grace, and those are the ones who fail to overcome this perversion.

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Fantastic explanation.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:01:42 PM »

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Gosh. You embarrass me. Thank you!

But this is only scratching the surface, really.

When I said, "This corruption re-makes them into a different type of person. It is all-consuming," I didn't clarify that it does not make them into A DIFFERENT PERSON. They remain the same person, only a more confirmed sinner, a more abominable sinner, a sinner all the more repulsive to God. But that does not mean they cannot be cleansed of their sin. However, at some point, the most merciful thing to do is for the state to exercise ultimate punishment, for their own good and for the good of society. But that has been abandoned, too, which leads us to this:

There is another level to the corruption. When society at large begins to accept the sin of Sodom as something 'normal' or TOLERABLE, society calls down upon itself the vengeance of heaven. It is one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance. And God said, "Vengeance is Mine."

But that's not all, because America as a society at large, has already accommodated two more of the 4 sins that cry to heaven for vengeance: Willful murder of the innocent (legalized abortion) and defrauding a laborer his just wages (in Obamacare in its punitive measures as well as unconstitutional taxation).

The only one left is the oppression of the poor, and if that is not already inherent in this new so-called legislation, it will be soon to come when Catholics are persecuted for being faithful to the Church's doctrine in any way it happens; whether it's because of the Catholic principle of not partaking in any abortion funding, or the Catholic principle of not suborning the open acceptance and practice of the sin of Sodom or of contraception (contraception IS substance abuse! -- Liberals HATE that sound byte!), or of stem cell research, or of harvesting organs of the "brain dead" (even though no standards of clinical definition exist for what IS and what IS NOT "brain death"), or of euthanasia, or of mercy killing (which might not be the same thing but then again, maybe it is), or the illicit suppression of public recognition of the truths of the Catholic Church, or the public recognition and practice of FALSE religions (such as Judaism, Mohammedanism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Voodoo, or worship of the Great Thumb, or the false religions of scientism and worship of the demigods Charlie, or atheism, and even the practice of satanism -- in the US military, chaplains are prohibited from teaching about Jesus, but so-called "witch" chaplains are NOT prohibited from teaching paganism or satanism).

Therefore, when Our Lord said, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (Mt. v. 3), He was referring to the Catholics who would suffer such persecution, when they remain faithful to the doctrines handed down to us from the Apostles (ABL's tomb: TRADIDI QUOD ET ACCEPI), and thereby would become victims of punitive measures by the state that oppress them in this time of dry martyrdom, which could well soon become NOT SO 'DRY' anymore.

But in particular regard to Sodomites, their crime is multi-leveled. They corrupt children with their pederasty, becoming eligible for the 'millstone necklace' treatment recommended by Our Lord. They corrupt each other. They corrupt themselves. They corrupt their neighbors. They corrupt their co-workers. They corrupt the entertainment industry. They corrupt the ѕуηαgσgυє (I am a firsthand witness to this phenomenon in about 1995 at Valley Beth Shalom Temple in Encino under Rabbi Harold Schulweis). They corrupt supermarkets and places of business. They corrupt government. They corrupt volunteer and charitable organizations. And they corrupt the Truth of God in the minds of men, from sea to shining sea.

And it makes not one whit of difference whether the Sodomite thinks he is doing a good thing or if he believes his objective perversion is a 'GIFT'.

It matters nothing at all. Regardless of how he thinks about it in his own mind, his perversion and his sharing of his perversion (cf. Rom. i. 32) by his approval of it manifest in others (whether or not he is a literal practitioner himself) is still a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance, even if he is NITHE about it.

(+W pronounces "nice" as "nithe.")

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