You know I've seen so much of this stupidity put out there by liberaltarians and liberals I have to address this topic when it comes to the use of these stupid labels. As everyone knows after 9/11 the neoconservatives in the Bush cabinet pursued a policy of mass interventionism in the Middle East, and Bush, having converted to the neoconservative ideology of course supported this. In the aftermath of this liberals shouted all on the television that Bush was "like Hitler and Mussolini" and liberaltarians shouted that the GOP is a party of "red-state fascists" and supported "nαzι-style nationalism."

Of course both ideologies being from the Left, liberals and liberaltarians are just as dogmatic as neoconservatives when it comes to their belief systems. I'd like to point out a few (obvious) problems when it comes to labelling neo-cons as "fascist" and "nαzιs" as well as show my disgust and hatred of libertarianism and liberalism.

1. Perhaps the most obvious problem with this theory is that most neo-cons are Jєωιѕн. Obviously that would make the whole case in point of them being "nαzιs" stupid anyway. :wink:

2. Neoconservatism comes out of the Left. It comes from Trotskyism, Social Democracy, liberalism, socialism, etc. Liberalism also comes out of the Left, out of the Herbert Marcuse New Left, neoconservatism comes out of the Wilson and FDR old-Left, and libertarianism comes out of the liberal Austrian School of Economics. They're all liberal. :wink: They are not right-wing, which explains liberalism's and libertarianism's hatred of nationalism.

3. They all support ideologies and are removed from common sense. Liberalism supports its ideology of no nation, race, gender, etc. and supports a massive welfare state ideology; neoconservatism supports its ideology of spreading Americanism, and its beliefs of democracy, feminism, and free-market capitalism; libertarainsim supports the individual put above the community, and complete economic freedom, something that is suicidal for a nation, and is destructive for workers.

Basically one cannot be a Catholic and support any of the three ideologies. :wink:

It would still make them fascists, hence Zio-Fascists, which is the case because of their overwhelming support for the apartheid state of Israel and her largest cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ in the world - Gaza, and the culling of black Ethiopian Jєωs by sterilization; and for their (dual Israeli/U.S. citizens in government) overwhelming support of anti-Constituional legislation, agencies and policies: NDAA-indefinite detention; TSA; DHS; NSA's new monolithic data mining center in Utah; the "Patriot" Act (and its repeated extensions); warrantless wiretapping; etc... all of these laws, policies and agencies have huge support for Jєωιѕн Congressmen, Cabinet members and "think" tanks.

Calling someone a fascist has been a leftist tactic that has been used since the 1930's. Hell even Harry Truman called Dewey a fascist. And the unlimited freedom you seem to be advocating comes directly from the left-wing thought of liberaltarianism. Obviously the situation in Gaza is not ideal, as many Israelis even admit now, and how the Israelis treat the Palestinians is horrible, but yet again neoconservatism comes from Trotskyism and Social Democracy.

Libertarianism is NOT exclusively left wing; and since when is libertarianism exclusively anti-nationalism? You are mistakenly conflating liberalism with libertarianism. There are many nationalist libertarians; just as there are "left-wing" libertarians.


Furthermore, you are also using the flawed political spectrum to determine positions which lead to misnomers of labels. The political compass is a much more accurate way to gauge positions for further analysis.

Uh yes libertarianism is left-wing. It comes from the Austrian School of Economics and supports free trade and open borders. I guess by today's "conservative" standards since liberaltarianism supports corporate interests and global capitalism it is very "conservative."

There is nothing right-wing about nationalism.

How do you explain General Franco then?

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It would still make them fascists, hence Zio-Fascists, which is the case because of their overwhelming support for the apartheid state of Israel and her largest cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ in the world - Gaza, and the culling of black Ethiopian Jєωs by sterilization; and for their (dual Israeli/U.S. citizens in government) overwhelming support of anti-Constituional legislation, agencies and policies: NDAA-indefinite detention; TSA; DHS; NSA's new monolithic data mining center in Utah; the "Patriot" Act (and its repeated extensions); warrantless wiretapping; etc... all of these laws, policies and agencies have huge support for Jєωιѕн Congressmen, Cabinet members and "think" tanks.

Calling someone a fascist has been a leftist tactic that has been used since the 1930's. Hell even Harry Truman called Dewey a fascist. And the unlimited freedom you seem to be advocating comes directly from the left-wing thought of liberaltarianism. Obviously the situation in Gaza is not ideal, as many Israelis even admit now, and how the Israelis treat the Palestinians is horrible, but yet again neoconservatism comes from Trotskyism and Social Democracy.

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Libertarianism is NOT exclusively left wing; and since when is libertarianism exclusively anti-nationalism? You are mistakenly conflating liberalism with libertarianism. There are many nationalist libertarians; just as there are "left-wing" libertarians.


Furthermore, you are also using the flawed political spectrum to determine positions which lead to misnomers of labels. The political compass is a much more accurate way to gauge positions for further analysis.

Uh yes libertarianism is left-wing. It comes from the Austrian School of Economics and supports free trade and open borders. I guess by today's "conservative" standards since liberaltarianism supports corporate interests and global capitalism it is very "conservative."

In Ireland, the political party Fine Gael are regarded as 'fascist' by the left. It's laughable. The party came from those who fought for Franco and had a member stand up in the parliament and call for the Jєωs to be routed from Ireland. Ironically now a Jєωιѕн member of Fine Gael is destroying Ireland.

Ironically now a Jєωιѕн member of Fine Gael is destroying Ireland.

Though in reality the Irish people are destroying themselves by being lured in by the materialism and decadence of the modern world. Alan Shatter is only doing what his masters are telling them and Enda Kenny and Fine Gael are the glove puppets of  Bankers.

Fine Gael are now on the verge on legislating for abortion. Contrast this with.

http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/8405

A forgotten night at Galway Docks
GALWAY ADVERTISER, FEBRUARY 12, 2009.
By Paul Mcginley

When Christy Moore sings his well known song, “Viva la Quinta Brigada”, in honour of those who fought against Franco in the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr one of his sardonic verses includes the lines:

“When the Bishops blessed the Blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire As they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain”

While it is historically true that some members of General O’Duffy’s Irish Brigade left from Dún Laoghaire to fight in Spain; the vast majority of that force secretly departed Galway Docks, on a dark winter’s night in December 1936.

It was an interesting time. Young Irishmen, most of whom held polarised political views at home, sailed to Spain to fight on both sides for what they believed in. The Spanish cινιℓ ωαr was a complex confluence of power, politics, principle, and faith which reached far beyond the Iberian Peninsula. Many of the Irish who took Franco’s side in the conflict did so out of religious as much as political conviction.

The Church of Christ the King in Salthill was first dedicated in August 1936. The opening sermon prompted the banner headline “Christ or Chaos” reported The Connacht Tribune. In his homily, the Bishop of Clonfert pointed out that ‘Russia, Mexico, Spain and other nations, in a less blatant manner perhaps, have risen in open rebellion against God.’ Many Catholics were outraged that Mexico had endured the Cristero-Calles war, and was despised for its treatment of Catholic clergy. Russia was home to godless Communism; while Spain had just begun a bitter war between absolute forces, intent on total victory.

At home Taoiseach DeValera, adopting a neutral stance, took a non–intervention path. This political policy did not deter those committed on both sides from making their way to Spain. General O’Duffy (the leader of the Irish ‘Blueshirts’, a quasi- military movement, which ideologically, and in terms of its rituals, had much in common with European fascism of the time), announced in November 1936 that Galway offered the best embarkation port for the majority of his volunteers. He urged his followers to assemble there.

Arrival in Galway

On the second Friday in December 100 of Franco’s Irish supporters left Dún Laoghaire bound for Liverpool, before making their way to Spain via Lisbon. When questioned by reporters at the quayside in Dublin, the departing volunteers refused to give their names, and were seen off by the man in charge of the operation: Captain Walsh, secretary to General O’Duffy.

The following day, on a cold, wet and stormy Saturday (December 12, 1936), up to 700 of O’Duffy’s volunteers arrived late in Galway. Recently deceased Murt Rabbitt, of the famed Forster Street bar, often recounted that the only time the Garda Síochána requested him to open his premises after-hours was on that miserable night. He was asked to give shelter to men - the majority of whom were in the 20 to 35-year-old range – on their way to a war in Spain.

‘Extraordinary scenes’

We can see from the photomontage, on this page, some of the 700 Irish volunteers, gathering on the quayside on that Saturday night, while medical supplies were being loaded on the tender which would later meet the mystery ship. More of that in a moment, but note the four volunteers wearing the Irish Brigade cap. (Irish Independent December 14 1936 Page 3.)

The Irish Times described “extraordinary scenes” as cars, buses and lorries heavily laden with men descended on the city. They came from all parts of the country with 22 volunteers arriving from north of the border. County Galway, according to the Irish Independent report, supplied 14 of the volunteers, far below the more sizeable Cork (104), and Dublin (201) contingents.

The Dún Aenghus which then serviced the Aran Islands was to transport the men to rendezvous in the bay with the mystery ship. The familiar Galway boat was loaded with medical provisions, socks, pullovers and other necessities from a lorry, aided by car headlights. The medical supplies were furnished by the Irish Christian Front.

By two o’clock in the morning almost 50 cars and 15 buses had arrived at the docks. The departure was delayed by a mishap to a bus from Kerry en route to Galway. Waiting men paced up and down the quay to keep warm and calls of “Viva Franco” could be heard. At three o’clock the volunteers were marshalled by Captain Liam Walsh, secretary to General O’Duffy, down the gangway of the Dún Aenghus.

‘Where is Tighe?’

The Irish Press reported that three Galway men, standing alongside, were suddenly swept along by the enthusiasm of the scene and departed for Spain: “They ran up the gangplank and volunteered their services. They were Kevin Geoghegan, Ely Place, Galway, Ml. Donoghue, Fairhill, Galway, and J. McGrath whose father is a porter in the Munster and Leinster Bank, Galway.”

One scene touched all who saw it. Somebody called out “Where is Tighe?” “Here I am,” shouted a young fellow from the belly of the boat, and a member of the Civic Guard said; “You are wanted at home, your mother has taken ill.” The boy who was only sixteen years of age, returned with his father, Seán Tighe, proprietor of the Phoenix Cinema, to Dublin.

Two priests on the dockside blessed the departing men who sang “Faith of Our Fathers” and “A Soldier’s Song”, before the Aran tender headed out into a dark, and windswept bay. “Rev T Fahy, Professor of Latin UCG, and Rev Fr Donohue CC, Galway, were among those present to bid the men farewell,” reported The Irish Press which also recorded that “Blue shirts were waved and cheers raised for General O’Duffy as the tender left the quay.”

"Right" and "Left wing" is modernist terminology, and the revolution, as the shapeshifter that it is by nature, has expressed itself in the various doctrines that are ascribed to both terms. How is one to fight against the revolution by adopting it's language?

Liberalism, communism, fascism, national socialism etc. all share the same core of satanic doctrine, which is the subversion of the natural and supernatural order willed by God, and this is exactly what the revolution is by definition.

Also, when Churchmen spoke of nationalism in the past, they meant the poisonous flower which sprung from the cæsaro-papist seed which was already planted in olden Greco-Roman days, watered by men such as Barbarossa and which burst forth in the political systems of more recent times. The Church remembers how she has suffered by the germ of nationalism arrogating rights to the nation which it does not have. Verily, St. Albert of Louvain earned his crown of martyrdom through it's persecutions!

The real duty stemming from natural law to protect and contribute to the welfare of one's kindred and nation is not what nationalism is, and should therefore not be labelled as such. What nationalism is, is the attempt to make all things, including religion, the footstool of the nation.

The politics of St. Louis and of the vierge guerrière, St. Joan of Arc, divine politics, are the only ones to be aimed for by Catholics. Anything less is to be rejected. Christendom, and Christendom alone can liberate society from the multiple-headed beast which is the revolt against God, and all the consequences of it, which includes social/economical disorder.

Telesphorus,

I stated in my previous post that defending nation and kin is a duty that stems from natural law. What I am against is attaching the label of nationalism to the exercise of this duty, because that is not what it is. Most people on this forum are aware of the tyrannical regime that the globalist agenda seeks to establish on an international scale, but my point is that we should not seek help from Egypt, that broken reed, to repel the attacks of Assur.

Cardinal Manning spoke of nationalism as an evil, so I am not inventing any of this.