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"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2013, 04:59:43 PM »
Quote from: Exilenomore
ascent,

Precise terminology is a necessity in the ongoing warfare against the Jєωιѕн and masonic agenda. Ambiguous language has been one of the main tools of modernism to subvert the philosophical and theological formation of those who were to take upon themselves the office of instructing the faithful. If this tactic must be condemned on a theological and philosophical level, then why is no care taken to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to terminology in secular politics, with the result that the infidels have come to lump us, Catholics, together into political 'sections' with deists, neo-pagans and atheists, categorising and labelling such a monstruous idea as "right wing"?

Since when should Catholics join "parties" containing heathens and apostates, and ideas which have nothing to do with Catholicism at all, to fight other ideas of heathens and apostates, which have nothing to do with Christendom? We do not need Egypt, we need God.

The Anglican sect of Henry, the 'Gallican freedoms', Josephism; those are the embodiments of nationalism, and that is what eminent Churchmen had in mind when they spoke of it. It tramples upon the mitres of bishops and laughs at the authority of the Popes.

Nation and people must be protected against masonic globalism in a Christian way, not by propagating political philosophies which are subversions of God-willed order themselves, but in a different form.


Lame rebuttal. First, you do not offer any solutions to your thesis, which is the last sentence (paragraph) of your comment ----> "... but in a different form" ...... Well, at least give one form (solution) that can be effected.

Second, I agree ambiguous language is a tool used to deceive and manipulate, which is exactly what some have fallen victim to on this thread by using terms stemming from a flawed political spectrum. I have called this out already.

Third, you are implying true faithful Catholics should abstain from the political process, and just leave everything to God's will; however, His will is RARELY done on earth, which is why this world is severely wounded in the first place; and He gave us a mind and body to serve Him and help effect "on earth as it is in Heaven". By not being involved in ensuring your own sovereignty, you waive your rights to fools and malevolent people to rule over you. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with nationalism when it's the correct nationalism with true Christian virtue as its nucleus. It would behoove America to follow the example of Serbia (albeit, they are Orthodox Christian) - a nation that is protective of its land, culture, identity, people and faith in Christ.

"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2013, 06:30:00 AM »
Quote from: John Grace
Hearing the voice of God to invade Iraq or "I stand with Israel" never did appeal to me. It's amazing so many yanks believe it or how freedom was attacked on 9/11. Them nasty arabs when in reality Mossad were behind the attacks on the Twin Towers but the main thing is you are "free" in America. Amerika ist wunderbar. Ye have a "choice" between Pepsi and Coca Cola.


Anyone who heard the "voice of God" while invading Iraq obviously confused God with the neoconservatives. The ironic thing is that Bin Laden hated Saddam and he and his Islamic warriors volunteered to fight him in 1991 if only the Saudis wouldn't bring the Americans in. And of course the invasion of Iraq has lead to utter chaos in Iraq.


"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2013, 06:40:53 AM »
Quote from: ascent
That's not true. Libertarianism believes in free markets, but NOT in a way that is geared to interests of mega-corporations and banksters such as NAFTA; the repeal of Glass-Steagall; and corporate bailouts and corporate welfare. Ron Paul is libertarian and he objects to all of the aforementioned.


Liberaltarians have no problems with free trade and unregulated capitalism; therefore they had no trouble with NAFTA, although I admit it seemed the libertarians were against the bailouts (I supported the bailouts of the car companies however).

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One example of libertarian nationalism is having free market, union-busting corporations WITHIN the confines of the U.S., but NOT being allowed to sell out U.S. jobs so corporations can move factories over seas for slave labor. Another example is ending foreign aid to countries, and not fighting or starting wars when they really have nothing to do with our national security - meaning, basically we only go to war when we are attacked or an attack is imminent, unlike the fαℓѕє fℓαg attacks orchestrated by the Money Manipulators/ѕуηαgσgυє. Protecting the national identity, culture and the official language, but honoring God-given freedoms is also libertarian nationalism.


Okay I agree with ending foreign aid and not starting wars that have nothing to do with our interests, however you know full well libertarians support free trade and open borders, therefore they have no problems with with businesses moving overseas. Also in accordnace with the "union-busting" you do realize of course unions are needed to safeguard a worker's livelihood? Obviously a union should not enter into politics since they always support Democratic candidates but they are good if they support social justice for the worker.

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Face it, buddy, America will NEVER be a Catholic Monarchy. I wish we could have one, but it's NEVER going to happen. If you want to live in such a nation, then you should move to France, because I hear the Crown of Lillies will arise there. However, hell will freeze over before it happens in America, therefore, the next best form of government is a Constitutional Libertarian form... God gave us free-will, so it is NOT governments right to infringe upon this free-will as long as nobody else is getting harmed.


Who said I was a Catholic monarchist? You're putting words in my mouth here. Also "freedom" receeds before the right of the nation to survive therefore the survival of a nation must be put before the freedom of the individual. Also America's values pretty much extend to freedom, individualism, hedonism, and consumerism.

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Check out that Political Compass link I posted. It's a good source.


And very misguided. Traditional conservatism was very protectionist and authoritarian.

"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2013, 06:52:59 AM »
Quote from: ascent


Lame rebuttal. First, you do not offer any solutions to your thesis, which is the last sentence (paragraph) of your comment ----> "... but in a different form" ...... Well, at least give one form (solution) that can be effected.


You have misunderstood that last part of my sentence. I meant that many political philosophies, to which some Catholics are adhering, are in fact subversions of the order willed by God, though in another form than the marxism which they, rightfully, wish to see destroyed.


Quote from: ascent
Third, you are implying true faithful Catholics should abstain from the political process, and just leave everything to God's will; however, His will is RARELY done on earth, which is why this world is severely wounded in the first place; and He gave us a mind and body to serve Him and help effect "on earth as it is in Heaven". By not being involved in ensuring your own sovereignty, you waive your rights to fools and malevolent people to rule over you. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with nationalism when it's the correct nationalism with true Christian virtue as its nucleus. It would behoove America to follow the example of Serbia (albeit, they are Orthodox Christian) - a nation that is protective of its land, culture, identity, people and faith in Christ.


Firstly, I do not imply that Catholics should abstain from politics, but the effort that some are putting into serving the ambitions of heathens and apostates who are interested in using Christians to establish their expression of the revolution instead of the one that is popular today, should be placed into bringing more organisation among scattered Catholics, to then eventually create formally Christian political entities in the nations where they live. "That would be very difficult to accomplish!" you say? Life on earth is a warfare, but that did not stop the Saints. Christ has won the war; if His sons fail to win a particular battle, they may be content to have died trying.

By refusing to quench evil by evil, I am not handing over the religion and the land of my fathers, who have lived upon this soil for more centuries than yours have been living in America, to the enemies of my God and kindred. My country is being swarmed by Arab mahometans, and in our cities, people are already suffering much under the yoke of their presence. If you wear a Christian symbol, they call you names that I will not repeat here, they harass elderly people, they 'punish' the nudism of liberalist women by violating them, and they live like kings while we have to go through a bureaucratic and usurious maze to get anything done. So, there is no need for you to educate me about what is happening here in Europe. I know what is happening. The nationalist party here has some Christians in it... together with atheists and neo-pagans who worship either Wodan, 'nature spirits' or whatever it is that they adore. The party publically rejects "irregular" maçonnerie, while accepting "the regular form" (a farcical distinction). This is an example of nationalism in contrast with Christian politics. How on earth can anyone think that supporting such a political body will bring about the reign of Christ in the country?

Christians fighting for God, their land and kindred are not nationalists, and should not be content to have that label pressed upon their foreheads. If you wish to know what nationalism is, then study the history of the Italian revolution. The Popes were considered traitors of the fatherland, and that slanderous assertion was nourished by romanticist publications exalting "the glorious Italy of old". PèreJoseph has rightfully insisted upon the study of the historical origins of the various political doctrines in order to be able to gain a better understanding of what they are and what distinctions must be kept in mind.

In revolutionary France, peasants were compelled under violence to shout "Vive la nation!", which of course did not really mean desiring the good of the nation, but treason against their king. The peasants preferred to shout "Vive le roi!" and faced death heroically. To support the various nationalist parties who simply seek to replace the presently established expression of revolutionary society with their own nationalist expression of it, may ultimately lead to a regime which will devour Christians who will not burn incense to cæsar. When a nationalist regime will have been established, it will no longer notice the Christians whom it misled into helping it arise, because it will have attained to what it wanted, and this can lead to the sons of Christ being led before the courts as they refuse to shout "vive la nation-dieu", and to being put to death as "betrayers of the nation". Cardinal Pie of Poitiers also saw this, and execrated it as nothing less than the spirit of anti-christ.

I will not look at an Eastern schismatic sect to be taught how to defend the religion and heritage of my fathers. There lie enough bones at rest in our own soil of those who gave their lives for the triumph of Catholicism (instead of the ambitions of some schismatic 'patriarch'), awaiting the glorious resurrection. Schismatic sects have nothing to do with Catholicism, and, ironically, they are the ones who separated from the Apostolic See, favouring their national identity before the authority of the Roman Pontiff. So yes, they are nationalists, and the real welfare of their nation and people has nothing to do with it.

"Neo-cons are like fascists and nαzιs!"
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2013, 06:37:57 PM »
Quote from: Exilenomore
Christians fighting for God, their land and kindred are not nationalists, and should not be content to have that label pressed upon their foreheads.


Um anyone who fights for their nation is considered a nationalist. Nationalism easily trumps both the global economy desired by our elites and the Marxian revolution of an international workers' movement.

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In revolutionary France, peasants were compelled under violence to shout "Vive la nation!", which of course did not really mean desiring the good of the nation, but treason against their king. The peasants preferred to shout "Vive le roi!" and faced death heroically.


You do realize of course that the poverty in revolutionary France was so terrible that it was comparable to modern-day Washington D.C. right? You can't get a revolution to work unless you have widespread support. Nevertheless you are confusing the nationalism you speak of, which is no criticism of the regime, and true nationalism which is making the nation better by supporting better social conditions and religious renewal.

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Schismatic sects have nothing to do with Catholicism, and, ironically, they are the ones who separated from the Apostolic See, favouring their national identity before the authority of the Roman Pontiff. So yes, they are nationalists, and the real welfare of their nation and people has nothing to do with it.


Well would you want nations put under the modern Church of Vatican II. When the nation is threatened it is obvious for the good of the nation the clergy must be ignored, for example the Catholic Church has no problems with immigration, however a nationalist must have problems with it.