Author Topic: "Monsignor" Patrick J Perez (Read 38084 times)

s2srea · « **on:** November 08, 2011, 12:30:36 PM »

Does anyone know about this??

From FE

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Pray for Monsignor Patrick J. Perez who was given the honor of Monsignor this past Sunday at Our Lady Help of Christians in Garden Grove, CA, by His Excellency Bishop Joseph Mar Thomas of the Eparchy of Bathery in India. He has been a true soldier of Christ since 1993, when he was ordained by Cardinal Stickler. He labored within the Institute of Christ the King until such time that they abandoned him. Without an assignment, he set up shop with Father Frderick Schell (who died in 2002), in Orange County, CA. He has labored in the wasteland of Mahoneyville and his buddy Bishop Brown, both haters of Catholic tradition, and have provided an oasis of Faith in this diocese, while the Bishop was busy shutting down Mases in other locals. Now the parish has four priests and over a thousand families. We ask the prayers for Monsignor that he may continue to be steadfast in his love of Christ and maintaining the traditions. Thank you.

Is +Mar Thomas the one who gives jurisdiction to Fr. Gruner? Whats the point of receiving a "Monsignor"ship in Traddie land??

Thorn · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2011, 09:58:57 PM »

To make yourself look more important than you are?

ServantOfTheAlmighty · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:14:42 AM »

Was Fr. Perez validly ordained?

Rosemary · « **Reply #3 on:** November 10, 2011, 09:13:18 PM »

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Was Fr. Perez validly ordained?

Fr. Perez was ordained by the late Alfons Maria Cardinal Stickler, who was a valid priest, but was "consecrated bishop" in the new (invalid rite) of anti-pope Paul VI.

If a priest has the fullness of the priesthood, than Fr. Perez is valid. If it takes a bishop to validly ordain, than Fr. Perez is not valid.

There is a posit that a priest has the fullness of the priesthood, but that an interdict has been placed on him. This means that a priest has the power, but not the permission to ordain other priests, and that the title of bishop is merely an office. I would really like more information regarding this. This topic seems to be shrouded in mystery.

Rosemary · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2011, 11:29:09 AM »

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Quote from: ServantOfTheAlmighty
Was Fr. Perez validly ordained?

Fr. Perez was ordained by the late Alfons Maria Cardinal Stickler, who was a valid priest, but was "consecrated bishop" in the new (invalid rite) of anti-pope Paul VI.

I forgot to add that Fr. Perez was ordained in the valid Latin Rite (not the new Paul VI rite) by "Cardinal" Stickler.

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2011, 11:37:14 AM »

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There is a posit that a priest has the fullness of the priesthood, but that an interdict has been placed on him. This means that a priest has the power, but not the permission to ordain other priests, and that the title of bishop is merely an office. I would really like more information regarding this. This topic seems to be shrouded in mystery.

This is not exactly correct and it is doubted by theologians whether a priest can, with a special papal indulgence, confer Major Ordinations.

There is not much mystery, just consult the approved theological manuals.

Thorn · « **Reply #6 on:** November 16, 2011, 08:58:58 PM »

I've never liked FE but have gone on it a few times to check out what someone said was being discussed there. It's been a long, long time since I checked in on them.

When S2srea posted FE's glowing report on Fr. Patrick Perez I was surprised. I just now read Father's church bulletin and lo & behold! In the section of Events and right under Upcoming Events were Links and there was FE!!!!!! What traditional church would have a link to an internet site like that???! Traddyland is getting curiouser & curiouser. He also has little stories sometimes in the bulletin about a longboarder who gives surfing lessons. He even went to the beach to bless the kid's board before a contest. He didn't explain why the kid couldn't bring his beloved board to church to have Fr. bless it. Other odd things go on there.

So when S2srea posted that Fr. had managed to become a Monsignor, I wasn't surprised. Father is a young, brash, worldly man who missed his calling as a stand-up comic. I told friends & family several years ago that he'd finagle his way to become a bishop. His nickname is 'the pope' since he's got his own little universe. Mark my word - in another 10 years, or maybe less, he'll be a bishop.

ora pro me · « **Reply #7 on:** November 16, 2011, 11:11:38 PM »

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Quote from: ServantOfTheAlmighty
Was Fr. Perez validly ordained?

Fr. Perez was ordained by the late Alfons Maria Cardinal Stickler, who was a valid priest, but was "consecrated bishop" in the new (invalid rite) of anti-pope Paul VI.

I wonder if Fr. Perez has ever been conditionally ordained by a Traditional Catholic bishop. Does anyone here know?

s2srea · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2011, 09:25:42 AM »

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Quote from: ServantOfTheAlmighty
Was Fr. Perez validly ordained?

Fr. Perez was ordained by the late Alfons Maria Cardinal Stickler, who was a valid priest, but was "consecrated bishop" in the new (invalid rite) of anti-pope Paul VI.

I wonder if Fr. Perez has ever been conditionally ordained by a Traditional Catholic bishop. Does anyone here know?

As far as I know, no.

My sister goes to his chapel. I've been slowly trying for a few months to convince her to go to another chapel, with little luck. There's a 'devotion' issue I think, as he'd married het and her husband, and baptized their firstborn. So when I heard her call him Msgr. I was a bit puzzled. So I googled him, and of course FE came up； I'm no contributor there, but expected some of his parishoners to be, and rightly so.

Thorn · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2011, 11:42:20 AM »

Before your sister was married did Perez announce or post the banns of marriage? I have a reason for this question.

Thorn · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2011, 11:49:53 AM »

I seriously doubt that he was conditionally ordained. He keeps his background a little murky. If he had been conditionally ordained, knowing him, he'd have proudly announced it; but as I stated he doesn't give out too much info on his background.

s2srea · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2011, 12:36:41 PM »

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Before your sister was married did Perez announce or post the banns of marriage? I have a reason for this question.

Honestly, I don't know, as I don't attend his chapel.

You're right about him not being completely open. My own priest worked with him for a time, but decided to leave. I'm not sure why, as he won't tell me specifics, but I know a big difference between my priest and the priests at OLHC is that they're not conditionally ordained, and all have some sort of connection to the new 'rite' in their ordinations. I assume this is why my priest left, but am not certain. Sometimes when he's (Perez) is brought up, I ask my priest about his time there, but he just tells me that he 'prefers not to talk about it, if thats okay'. I know he's trying to avoid scandal. And as inquisitive as I want to be, how can I argue with that lol.

s2srea · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2011, 12:40:50 PM »

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Before your sister was married did Perez announce or post the banns of marriage? I have a reason for this question.

Oh, btw, whats the reason :detective:

Thorn · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2011, 02:51:02 PM »

Because the only banns that are announced or posted are for the favored ones, that is, those with money or the ones in power. Many, many marriages have been performed there without banns announced. Very few ordinary ones get posted or announced. I always thought the banns were a requirement. Aren't they? Not in Perezlandia it seems.

Your priest didn't leave, he was told to leave because he joined or went over to the Old Catholics; least that's what Perez told his sheeple from the pulpit.

btw, doesn't that huge picture of Divine Mercy bother you?

s2srea · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2011, 04:21:41 PM »

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Because the only banns that are announced or posted are for the favored ones, that is, those with money or the ones in power. Many, many marriages have been performed there without banns announced. Very few ordinary ones get posted or announced. I always thought the banns were a requirement. Aren't they? Not in Perezlandia it seems.

Well I know they're supposed to be done, but I doubt they affect validity.

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Your priest didn't leave, he was told to leave because he joined or went over to the Old Catholics; least that's what Perez told his sheeple from the pulpit.

And that's why I love my priest. Because no matter how much he'd been calumniated and slandered against, he doesn't return the favor. That's a flat out lie; unless you think I sound like an Old Catholic too :wink: .

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btw, doesn't that huge picture of Divine Mercy bother you?

Yep.

BTW- do you mind me asking where you go to mass? Do we know each other? PM if u like.