Pepsuber, please, did you read the original post?!  We're not talking about CLERICS acting as straw subdeacons!  We're talking of a complete 19 or 20 year old LAYMAN here!  We're also not talking wearing tunicles, but priest's vestments that match exactly the other priest's vestments to make it look pretty.  In other words - putting on a false front for appearences at a TLM!!!  The True Mass.

Pepsuber, what are you talking about??

No, the straw subdeacon did not wear a tunicle - he wore exactly what the other priest, (acting as a subdeacon),wore!!

Do you mean what the priest acting as deacon wore? That's the dalmatic. The tunicle often looks exactly like the dalmatic. So that is what the straw subdeacon ought to wear.

What exactly 'sounds really weird'?! and why?

I thought your reference to priestly vestments was a reference to the chasuble. The dalmatic is the diaconal vestment, the tunicle the subdiaconal vestment. The latter often looks just like the former.

What do you mean 'who would be fooled by muliple ministers in chasubles'??

The only reason for multiple ministers in chasubles is concelebration, which is very rare in the traditional rite.

I don't think he would care if the person dressing in the actual tunicles/chasubles were a priest/deacon, but the fact that a layman is assisting at the mass wearing the priests vestments (regardless of tunicles/ chasubles) for the sake of aesthetics.

A "straw" subdeacon is exactly that, a layman. It's not a untraditional or Novus ordo practice at all. It's not ideal, of course, but I think having Solemn Mass with a straw subdeacon is preferable (and not just aesthetically -- Solemn Mass is the norm)  to having a Missa Cantata or (worse yet) Low Mass. As far as the young man Fr. Perez had acting as subdeacon, he could have been a former seminarian who had been tonsured or an installed acolyte or something like that.

Thanks, s2srea, for the clarification, altho I thought what I posted was abundantly clear to begin with.  What you wrote hit the nail on the head.

Pepsuber, please, I beg of you, give it up.  You completely misunderstood the postings & have taken off on unnecessary explanations on tunicles, dalmatics & stuff that has nothing to do with the subject.  Are you baiting me?  Trying to show off your liturgical knowledge?  Or simply posting anything for the sheer fun of it? I refuse to deal with you after I once more go thro the drill.  This is Xmas & I refuse to rebut you & get in a round & round-we-go discussion.

1.  Are you NO?  All your explanations & words sound like you do not have a traditional bone in your body.  This is not to fault you, but to see truth.
2. Forget tunicles & dalmatics, as well as multiple ministers & concelebration. They have absolutely nothing to do with this.
3. The young man was NOT a former or present seminarian. He was nothing of what you state he could be.  Pure & simple - he's a young layman.  So stop already with your suppostions & face the truth.  He wore a chasuble that matched the other priest's (who acted as deacon or subdeacon) & the Mass wasn't concelebrated.  It was a TLM.
4. Straw subdeacons are not untraditional or NO??!!  So you're saying they're traditional?!!  You show me proof that they're traditional & this has been practiced for thousands  or hundreds of years & I'll eat my hat & send you the picture as proof.
5. HAVING A PHONEY (you do know what straw means, don't you?) SUBDEACON TO EXECUTE A SOLEMN HIGH MASS IS PREFERABLE TO A TRUE, BEAUTIFULLY SIMPLE LOW MASS??!!  Surely you don't mean that.  Then to say - '(worse yet) Low Mass.' is too much for me.  Something is very wrong with your postings, and as I said, I refuse to debate this any further with you.  There's much too many really wrong things going on in that church to start making things up like what you're doing.

Thorn, I was not trying to goad you. I was trying to get at the heart of the matter. Sometimes people get upset because of perceived wrongs which turn out, upon further investigation, not to be wrongs at all. Here is a blurb about a straw subdeacon from 1945:

http://arc.stparchive.com/Archive/ARC/ARC04131945p03.php

At Little Rock,  Marty Busby donned a tunic Easter Sunday assuming the office of  straw subdeacon at the Solemn High Mass at Good Counsel, his parish church

I don't think the practice goes back thousands or even hundreds of years as the prevailing theology of the Middle Ages was that the subdiaconate was a major Order (cf. the Council of Florence, Decree for the Armenians).

Since Solemn Mass is the ideal, yes, having Solemn Mass with a straw subdeacon is preferable to a Missa Cantata, which is preferable to a Low Mass. Solemn Mass is the norm, everything else is an accommodation. In the case of the Solemn Mass with a straw subdeacon, there is less accommodation than there is in a Missa Cantata or in a Low Mass. The Low Mass only became popular because of the Reformation and subsequent persecution in non-Catholic countries.

Pepsuber, are you a friend of Fr. Perez, or do you go to his church?

I've never met the man and probably would not assist at his Mass if the opportunity presented itself. I find the whole business with his new title exceedingly strange.

Then I guess that the annulment of Sheila Kennedy's marriage would justify annulments now.

Her appeal was upheld by the Rota -- the annulment was "reversed."