Author Topic: "Monsignor" Patrick J Perez (Read 44834 times)

Thorn · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2011, 08:59:26 PM »

Interesting! I don't know if it's true about him going to the Old Catholics. That's just what was said from the pulpit, in his best authoritarian voice.

I go to Mass here, there & everywhere. I'm quite certain we don't know each other & have never met.

Thorn · « **Reply #16 on:** November 21, 2011, 11:31:44 AM »

I've been wondering if I should be posting on Fr. Perez. Normally I wouldn't think of disrespecting a priest. But these are not normal times and the NO partly came into full bloom because Joe Blow in the pew just sat there & let it happen. Yes, the NO came from high places & maybe no matter what Joe Blow said or did, it would have been imposed on us; but still I believe that all the Joe Blows should have had a spine and refused to go along. We are called to be Soldiers of Christ & no matter the outcome we MUST fight evil and not just passively sit there & let things go on. That is why I think Joe Blow has a duty to expose false prophets & false contortions of the true Mass. Those of us in the trenches may get a little dirty, but should we just sit comfortably in the pew and just pray? I think not.

There are many problems with Fr. Perez. Some even wonder about his validity. I won't go there since I'm not equipped to tell but I do know 'by their fruits.....'.

I'm not the only one to leave his kingdom. The sad part is that many others have also - but to join non-Catholic chuches or to become home-aloners & even sadder to give up entirely. Yes, some drive greater distances to go to a SSPX or CMRI. Going to Fr. with a concern is tricky. To put it kindly- he needs to go to anger management classes. He's crucified people from the pulpit who have dared speak up, he's threatened and expelled others.

However it's his treatment of the Mass & ecclesiastical things that bothers me the most. Yes, as has been reported, he does the Mass perfectly. But you can't help but note how robotically he moves. Any actor can do the Mass. He takes in stray NO priests that have only had a few years of training in theology and teaches them how to say the Mass. There's more to being a priest than saying the TLM. An actor or even a Mason can do that. One priest that he taught said his first Mass so badly that some of us cringed. To make matters worse he laughed & made light of his mistakes when he gave his sermon. I can say much more about these priests but let's move on to the final straw.

Father didn't have enough priests to put on a Really Big Show for an important Mass. What did he do? He simply picked a young man from the flock, dressed him in priestly vestments, called him a straw sub-deacon & on with the show!!!! Shouldn't the people have protested this or at least questioned it? No, because he's got other people there who aren't quite what they seem and apparently the flock has been nicely conditioned to accept anything he says or does. Or maybe they're too afraid.

Sigismund · « **Reply #17 on:** November 21, 2011, 07:57:20 PM »

Straw subdeacons are not unheard of , but if one is going to be used, and really they shouldn't, he should be in subdeacon's vestments, not priest's vestments.

Thorn · « **Reply #18 on:** November 21, 2011, 08:14:04 PM »

What, pray tell, is a straw sub-deacon? Falsity has no place at the true Mass. Either a man is a deacon or he is not, so what difference does it make what he wears??

Where have you heard about a straw sub-deacon? In the NO? I've never in my life heard of one till this incident. The straw sub-deacon was a complete layman in priest's vestments that matched the other priest's vestments who acted as a deacon (or maybe he acted as a sub-deacon too).

I really do want to know where you ever heard of straw sub-deacons.

Sigismund · « **Reply #19 on:** November 22, 2011, 10:06:02 PM »

It is certainly not NO. They don't have subdeacons anymore.

I am actually a little embarrassed. It occurred to me after I posted the above statement that I heard about this from an Anglican. High church Anglicans will sometimes dress a server in subdeacon's vestments. They do not and never have had people they call subdeacons, but want to make their services look like a Solemn High Mass. I have no idea if Catholics have ever done anything like that. I certainly hope not.

So, basically, never mind.