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Offline StLouisIX

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"Jesus was Seraphis" Myth Debunked
« on: January 24, 2022, 02:13:07 PM »
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    Re: "Jesus was Seraphis" Myth Debunked
    « Reply #1 on: January 24, 2022, 05:08:42 PM »
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  • These pagan "Jesus was a rip-off of...." are always retarded. Of course He's going to have some similarities with their made-up idols because ALL PERFECTIONS ARE IN HIM. :facepalm:
    "Any man who... attempts to deprive the Sacred Heart of divine worship and glory - thereby convicts himself of heresy." - Cdl. Manning

     "We can, then, say, that the soul is of as much value as the blood of a God." - St. Alphonsus Liguori, Sermon for the 2nd Sunday after Easter


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    Re: "Jesus was Seraphis" Myth Debunked
    « Reply #2 on: January 24, 2022, 05:51:04 PM »
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  • These pagan "Jesus was a rip-off of...." are always retarded. Of course He's going to have some similarities with their made-up idols because ALL PERFECTIONS ARE IN HIM. :facepalm:

    Not only that but the devil will raise up fake counterfeits to distract from Our Lord.

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    Re: "Jesus was Seraphis" Myth Debunked
    « Reply #3 on: January 24, 2022, 06:39:32 PM »
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  • These pagan "Jesus was a rip-off of...." are always retarded. Of course He's going to have some similarities with their made-up idols because ALL PERFECTIONS ARE IN HIM. :facepalm:

    Very true. But as the Egyptologist points out, there are actually very few similarities between Jesus Christ and Seraphis when one looks at the facts. For example, he illustrates that it is absurd to say that Seraphis and Jesus both rose from the dead, as the Seraphis cult held that their idol was cleaved into many pieces and reconfigured, and moreover their idol was never even said to have incarnated as a man. Christ, the Word who became flesh, rose from the dead after being crucified; obviously these are very different kinds of resurrection! To conflate these two doctrines as being the same thing is ridiculous. In fact, the cult used bulls to incarnate Seraphis, as offerings to the false deity to preserve the motion of the seasons, the circle of life and death. Obviously this is entirely different from the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary, which was done once but is represented again and again at Holy Mass. Seraphis was represented as a man, but this only came about as a result of Pharaoh Ptolemy I (the Greek general who had been allotted Egypt by Alexander the Great) and his decision to modify the cult in certain ways that would appease the Greek population in Egypt. Greek pagans wanted to see their idols represented as having human forms and the representation of Seraphis as a bull disgusted them. 

    Moreover, another interesting detail that he explains is that the Anicent Egyptian pagans had no concept of sin. They had a vague notion that doing certain things would upset the natural order, but that was about it. Thus, the comparison that Christ died for the forgiveness of sin and to bring about the possibility of salvation to the sacrifices of the Seraphis cult are entirely different. 

    And as explained in the video, the Seraphis idol and the Osiris idol along with their cults were molded into one, so effectively much of this refutation could also apply to the "Jesus was Osiris" myth. 

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    Re: "Jesus was Seraphis" Myth Debunked
    « Reply #4 on: January 25, 2022, 06:23:42 AM »
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  • Yeah, that error has been floating around for a while now; it just won't flush down.

    1. God promised to Adam and Eve that He would send a Redeemer. So the idea of a golden age (the Garden of Eden), messed up somehow, rebirth, making things right, redemption -- all pagan nations started out having this idea, which was corrupted over the centuries, as fallen mankind with a darkened intellect is wont to do.

    2. The idea that superficial similarities = "it must be a ripoff" is 5 year old child's reasoning. How about super hero movies? You have an average guy (or girl), something happens to him, he gets superhuman powers, has a period of awkward adjustment, then finally accepts the powers as a gift and uses them to fight evil. He ends up with a nemesis of some sort that he continually fights over the years. Sound like every superhero movie or comic book ever? It should.

    If you come up with a NEW superhero with NEW powers, no one is going to accuse you of ripping off literally every superhero that has been thought up so far. But if you come up with a superhero with super strength, x-ray vision, capable of flying, who came from a planet that exploded, and is super strong here on earth because of our "yellow sun", and small chunks of his home planet make him weak, and he works for a newspaper wearing thick glasses as a disguise, and changes into a costume with a cape, usually in the confines of a phone booth -- THEN you might be validly accused of copying someone's work!

    In other words, the "copying" would have to be much more dead-on to be significant. If major elements are different (which is the case with all the "similarities" between Jesus and various pagan mythical beings), then it's JUST A COINCIDENCE. Broad concepts and ideas are thought of hundreds of times in each century, with no collusion or collaboration necessary.

    Is every "Hero's Journey" book or movie copying the others? Countless books and movies have used the Hero's Journey template -- but that doesn't make them all Star Wars.

    Death is front-and-center familiar to all mankind. The idea of life after death, or even coming back from the dead, doesn't take a huge amount of imagination. I'm sure more than one person has INDEPENDENTLY thought of it over the years. Ditto for the concept of a virgin birth. People can just THINK of this stuff out of the blue; it's not that complex or difficult.

    So if you are after the truth, you have to be fair. Look at the two "stories" and see if one of them is truly influenced by the other -- or are they sufficiently different in key areas so as to make them 2 independent stories, with any similarities being superficial and insignificant.

    But a lot of these idiots aren't after the truth. They are after an excuse -- any lame one will do -- to reject Jesus, so they can go back to their bedroom and lose themselves in porn and self-abuse. That's what it always comes down to. Sixth and Ninth. Every. Single. Time.
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